HANDS UP

Curryman

Curryman

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All those who stuck rigidly to the COVID rules during lockdown. I don’t expect many hands to be raised, and I can’t honestly raise mine. It seems very strange that all these Tory Knees Ups are now coming to light, yet there are none for any other political party or indeed organisation.

There is little said about the whistleblowers who were used as fall guys for the last Labour Government and the Bank of England, and jailed, for following rules given to them by both the Head of the BOE and the then Prime Minister and ex Iron Chancellor. Nothing on the news and a short piece, now removed, on the BBC Site.

Boris should have put his foot down is the cry, If he had done would today’s headlines be Bullying Boris, and the outcome been the same as for Dominic Raab. A bit of a no win situation?

The whole thing stinks, and believe me I’m no Boris fan, a bumbling excuse of a leader, but I do believe in what’s good for the Goose is also good for the Gander.

To say the Police investigated the workplace gathering in County Durham and found nothing wrong is the same as saying the Police investigated the goings on in Downing Street and fined two people. However, this was then subjected to an ‘independent’ civil servant to report and look what happened. Further digging and investigation by the Parliamentary Standards Committee and an offer of employment by the Labour party for the ‘independent’ Civil Servant!

I’m sure there are far more important news stories at the moment than a bunch of fools singing and dancing during lockdown. What about Knife Crime, Inflation, jailing of women for taking a pill too late in a pregnancy, why as much has has been spent on one tunnel under the Chilterns as could have been used to provide a decent train line between East and West in the North, to name but four.

Rant over.
 
Curryman said:
All those who stuck rigidly to the COVID rules during lockdown. I don’t expect many hands to be raised, and I can’t honestly raise mine. It seems very strange that all these Tory Knees Ups are now coming to light, yet there are none for any other political party or indeed organisation.

There is little said about the whistleblowers who were used as fall guys for the last Labour Government and the Bank of England, and jailed, for following rules given to them by both the Head of the BOE and the then Prime Minister and ex Iron Chancellor. Nothing on the news and a short piece, now removed, on the BBC Site.

Boris should have put his foot down is the cry, If he had done would today’s headlines be Bullying Boris, and the outcome been the same as for Dominic Raab. A bit of a no win situation?

The whole thing stinks, and believe me I’m no Boris fan, a bumbling excuse of a leader, but I do believe in what’s good for the Goose is also good for the Gander.

To say the Police investigated the workplace gathering in County Durham and found nothing wrong is the same as saying the Police investigated the goings on in Downing Street and fined two people. However, this was then subjected to an ‘independent’ civil servant to report and look what happened. Further digging and investigation by the Parliamentary Standards Committee and an offer of employment by the Labour party for the ‘independent’ Civil Servant!

I’m sure there are far more important news stories at the moment than a bunch of fools singing and dancing during lockdown. What about Knife Crime, Inflation, jailing of women for taking a pill too late in a pregnancy, why as much has has been spent on one tunnel under the Chilterns as could have been used to provide a decent train line between East and West in the North, to name but four.

Rant over.
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I think you’ll find that all the important stories you raise have occurred under your party’s rule. I for one will hold my hand up, more fool me for believing the lying PM.
 
A lot of people broke the rules, to some extent, during COVID, I know I did.
Just don’t whinge for getting caught.
Oh, and most of us weren’t the people who set the rules.
 
What this story tells us most is about the character of those in charge and I for one want to know the calibre of the people who think they are the best to run the country. I also don’t want to live in a country where the rules are created only for the ordinary person with those in charge having a completely different set of standards a la Russia or China. If we sit back and let things like this go unchallenged then we deserve everything they throw at us.

I stuck absolutely rigidly to the rules, not because I necessarily agreed with them but because they applied to me as well as everyone else. During that time I didn’t get to see my twin granddaughters who were just 12 months when lockdown started, and whose mum was left without any help whatsoever. There were plenty in much worse circumstances too but we followed the rules.

If you bent or ignored the rules fair enough, but you didn’t make the rules and I’m pretty sure you didn’t expect everyone else to follow them while you ignored them.
 
Curryman said:
All those who stuck rigidly to the COVID rules during lockdown. I don’t expect many hands to be raised, and I can’t honestly raise mine. It seems very strange that all these Tory Knees Ups are now coming to light, yet there are none for any other political party or indeed organisation.

There is little said about the whistleblowers who were used as fall guys for the last Labour Government and the Bank of England, and jailed, for following rules given to them by both the Head of the BOE and the then Prime Minister and ex Iron Chancellor. Nothing on the news and a short piece, now removed, on the BBC Site.

Boris should have put his foot down is the cry, If he had done would today’s headlines be Bullying Boris, and the outcome been the same as for Dominic Raab. A bit of a no win situation?

The whole thing stinks, and believe me I’m no Boris fan, a bumbling excuse of a leader, but I do believe in what’s good for the Goose is also good for the Gander.

To say the Police investigated the workplace gathering in County Durham and found nothing wrong is the same as saying the Police investigated the goings on in Downing Street and fined two people. However, this was then subjected to an ‘independent’ civil servant to report and look what happened. Further digging and investigation by the Parliamentary Standards Committee and an offer of employment by the Labour party for the ‘independent’ Civil Servant!

I’m sure there are far more important news stories at the moment than a bunch of fools singing and dancing during lockdown. What about Knife Crime, Inflation, jailing of women for taking a pill too late in a pregnancy, why as much has has been spent on one tunnel under the Chilterns as could have been used to provide a decent train line between East and West in the North, to name but four.

Rant over.
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Sorry Wilf, but that is absolute baloney.

Setting aside all the self-pitying "what about X" stuff - all these incidents were investigated by the police. You can't just believe the outcome of some of those investigations, choose to disregard those that don't suit your preconceptions and expect people to take you seriously.

Are you really saying that a boss shouldn't impose minimum standards of behaviour because people would think badly of them? What do you think a leader is supposed to be for? They are there to set an example, to make decisions - and be measured by the quality of both.

All this stuff matters because our Parliamentary system of scrutiny and accountability depends upon Ministers coming to Parliament and telling the truth. If they can lie with impunity, nobody can hold them to account. In this case, it was the most senior Parliamentarian of them all - the Prime Minister - who lied time and time again. It (telling lies) has got him sacked from private sector jobs, from the Cabinet, and now it has found him out again.

If we cannot trust him to come and tell the truth about these parties, then we can't trust Ministers in his (or indeed any other) Government to tell the truth about knife crime, inflation, transport or any of the other things you mentioned. There is a huge principle at stake here, which is about the role and pre-eminence of Parliament and standards in public life. Mr. Johnson has traduced the former and steadily diminished the latter. I know you well enough to know that these things are important to you. So I am mystified as to why you keep trying to find ways to defend him, or deflect attention away towards others.
 
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seasider3 said:
I think you’ll find that all the important stories you raise have occurred under your party’s rule. I for one will hold my hand up, more fool me for believing the lying PM.
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MPs/PMs of any party have always lied through their pearly whites since they were invented. The over privileged spewing out tripe and expect us peasants to fall in.
 
Curryman said:
All those who stuck rigidly to the COVID rules during lockdown. I don’t expect many hands to be raised, and I can’t honestly raise mine. It seems very strange that all these Tory Knees Ups are now coming to light, yet there are none for any other political party or indeed organisation.

There is little said about the whistleblowers who were used as fall guys for the last Labour Government and the Bank of England, and jailed, for following rules given to them by both the Head of the BOE and the then Prime Minister and ex Iron Chancellor. Nothing on the news and a short piece, now removed, on the BBC Site.

Boris should have put his foot down is the cry, If he had done would today’s headlines be Bullying Boris, and the outcome been the same as for Dominic Raab. A bit of a no win situation?

The whole thing stinks, and believe me I’m no Boris fan, a bumbling excuse of a leader, but I do believe in what’s good for the Goose is also good for the Gander.

To say the Police investigated the workplace gathering in County Durham and found nothing wrong is the same as saying the Police investigated the goings on in Downing Street and fined two people. However, this was then subjected to an ‘independent’ civil servant to report and look what happened. Further digging and investigation by the Parliamentary Standards Committee and an offer of employment by the Labour party for the ‘independent’ Civil Servant!

I’m sure there are far more important news stories at the moment than a bunch of fools singing and dancing during lockdown. What about Knife Crime, Inflation, jailing of women for taking a pill too late in a pregnancy, why as much has has been spent on one tunnel under the Chilterns as could have been used to provide a decent train line between East and West in the North, to name but four.

Rant over.
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If Gove can see that it was wrong why can't you?
 
The worst thing about this sordid affair is the way that Sunak and the majority of Conservative MPs will avoid voting today.
If the PM of the land doesn't have an opinion on whether it is wrong to tell lies in parliament then he really shouldn't be PM (and the same can be said for any cabinet minister, or indeed any member of parliament who abstains). Some things are much more important than petty party gain and your career considerations. As Churchill put it, country first.
The Conservative party really needs a long period in opposition to reflect upon how they (the Conservatives FFS) have become a party that actively undermines the institutions that hold our society together. What a disgusting spectacle they have become.
 
And speaking strategically, if Sunak has any future as PM then then he really needs to lead. He has a great opportunity to behead Johnson now and face down his own set of 'bastards' (as Major would put it). He will never have a better opportunity to appear statesmanlike whilst stamping on them at the same time.
But instead all we get is silent prevarication. And if he did actually turn up to the debate today he would probably just repeat his 5 pledges rather than assert his faith in parliamentary democracy.
 
ElBurroSinNombre said:
The worst thing about this sordid affair is the way that Sunak and the majority of Conservative MPs will avoid voting today.
If the PM of the land doesn't have an opinion on whether it is wrong to tell lies in parliament then he really shouldn't be PM (and the same can be said for any cabinet minister, or indeed any member of parliament who abstains). Some things are much more important than petty party gain and your career considerations. As Churchill put it, country first.
The Conservative party really needs a long period in opposition to reflect upon how they (the Conservatives FFS) have become a party that actively undermines the institutions that hold our society together. What a disgusting spectacle they have become.
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Yes, including the Union - and that from the Conservative and Unionist Party.
 
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