Has he gone yet? - He has now!

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No decision by tomorrow then he’ll be taking training for Saturday. Lose against Huddersfield then most of transfer window will be gone and anyone they bring in then will be knackered before they start.
 
Meanwhile Cardiff act decisively and will no doubt use this week to get someone in. Others have done the same and improved (Wigan being the exception but at least they made a change), meanwhile we stumble on in a trance whilst League One gets ever nearer. This is now looking like sheer incompetence by the board.
 
Or maybe the board are showing some loyalty and backing the man they brought in because they understand the challenges he's faced this season partly due to the abysmal transfer window in the summer
 
I'm just hoping that Sadler is in Hong Kong, and as they are 8 hours ahead, he is waiting until this morning UK time to have the conversation for an announcement later today.
 
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No decision by tomorrow then he’ll be taking training for Saturday. Lose against Huddersfield then most of transfer window will be gone and anyone they bring in then will be knackered before they start.
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Just can’t see him going anywhere to be honest even if we get beat next week he’s staying.
The board have already made a statement for me in not saying anything at all about our current situation.
Best of mates bull shit Ben and Applehead it wouldn’t surprise me one bit if they’ve never even discussed his job.
If Sadler really cares about this club he alone has to act now, should have done it after the Wigan game for me as just what is the point in him staying here as all we’re doing is running games down while results on the pitch aren’t changing and the gap is widening.
 
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He was always getting the Huddersfield game, I don't expect him to be relieved of his duties until after that performance.
 
I was just being tongue in cheek. I think if he was going anywhere we would already know by now. I was using the time difference, in the hope i was wrong.
 
West Brom were in the bottom 3 when they brought Corberan in, they are now 6th.
Middlesbrough were in the bottom 3 when they brought Carrick in and are now 4th.

We have stuck with the same manager during a run of 4 points from a possible 30. We are 23rd of 24 teams, the same position as we were at the World Cup break.

It doesn’t make any sense to keep him. I don’t understand the logic of giving him the Huddersfield game as there is nothing to suggest that will be any different from the last 10 league games. He has to go now to give us even the slimmest chance of staying in the Championship.
 
It's quite obvious the board read avftt and are sensitive to it. We know that from past telling offs.
They've made an unpopular appointment on a long contract and any sacking now will just be a huge admission they got it badly wrong. I'd like to think they're above all that and will do the right thing and let him go but I'm not so sure.
I worried early on that Simon , Brett etc took too much notice of criticism online, you have to be above all that. Its a problem now and I worry about it going forward with the redevelopment plans.
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
Or maybe the board are showing some loyalty and backing the man they brought in because they understand the challenges he's faced this season partly due to the abysmal transfer window in the summer
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Like they did with Grayson?? Larry got sacked after 4 points from 27...
 
Pauls_Boutique said:
West Brom were in the bottom 3 when they brought Corberan in, they are now 6th.
Middlesbrough were in the bottom 3 when they brought Carrick in and are now 4th.

We have stuck with the same manager during a run of 4 points from a possible 30. We are 23rd of 24 teams, the same position as we were at the World Cup break.

It doesn’t make any sense to keep him. I don’t understand the logic of giving him the Huddersfield game as there is nothing to suggest that will be any different from the last 10 league games. He has to go now to give us even the slimmest chance of staying in the Championship.
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Agree your logic but if he is given huddersfield and we don't perform, that has to be it.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
Agree your logic but if he is given huddersfield and we don't perform, that has to be it.
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I don’t see the Huddersfield game being any different tho? He has shown that he can’t select a team to beat the opposition put in front of him, nor do anything during a game to change the outcome.

We have to win half of our remaining games, we can’t afford to let another match go by especially when it is against a team that are also in the bottom 3.
 
I think the board are actually forward planning - on the basis that MA will be a good L1 manager.
They can't be accused of short term thinking!
 
heapster said:
No decision by tomorrow then he’ll be taking training for Saturday. Lose against Huddersfield then most of transfer window will be gone and anyone they bring in then will be knackered before they start.
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Can't honestly see this board sacking him...
 
Jaffa_The_Hut said:
Just can’t see him going anywhere to be honest even if we get beat next week he’s staying.
The board have already made a statement for me in not saying anything at all about our current situation.
Best of mates bull shit Ben and Applehead it wouldn’t surprise me one bit if they’ve never even discussed his job.
If Sadler really cares about this club he alone has to act now, should have done it after the Wigan game for me as just what is the point in him staying here as all we’re doing is running games down while results on the pitch aren’t changing and the gap is widening.
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He’s not surviving a defeat next week. Absolutely no chance
 
I think in close quarters, there’s an Emperor’s New clothes thing going on. Nobody speaking truth to power. Ben will flannel it all off ‘it’s like the time I had with ‘ecky… when I was in Israel’
 
voyeur said:
How do you know that?
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Well I hope I'm wrong but the way I see it is this, we've just brought in a few players, Watford away was always a difficult game. Huddersfield at home however is a must win. Don't get me wrong I'd love to see Flaggie make an appearance today.
 
I am sure the Board will be meeting today, to discuss the situation.

The Huddersfield game and the result is not a significant consideration. It is just one game and winning it will not keep us up. The judgement will be made on MA’s ability to win 9 or 10 of the remaining games. Unfortunately, they gave him after the WC and we’ve eaten up more games. It is now or relegation.

I have a feeling he’ll be gone today or tomorrow.
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
Or maybe the board are showing some loyalty and backing the man they brought in because they understand the challenges he's faced this season partly due to the abysmal transfer window in the summer
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He doesn't even use the players we sign though, he's totally clueless, sticking with his proven formation not winning anything.
 
Lose against Huddersfield and we are really in the sh1t, it really becomes a 'dog fight' if we don't get at least a point.
It's a must win game.
 
NewburyOne said:
Well I hope I'm wrong but the way I see it is this, we've just brought in a few players, Watford away was always a difficult game. Huddersfield at home however is a must win. Don't get me wrong I'd love to see Flaggie make an appearance today.
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Ok. I think Sadler is pretty hell bent on toughing it out but situations sometimes become untenable. He probably will get the Huddersfield game and may well get longer but Sadler will be considering whether to act now or wait longer, in the current circumstances. He didn't get where is is today without having an ability to be ruthless when a situation demanded it, I suspect. I wouldn't rule out Appleton leaving in the next 48 hours.
 
Even if we somehow picked up 3 points against Huddersfield, I think it’s a case of kicking the can down the road.

He isn’t the kind of guy to inspire or motivate a team in a relegation scrap.
 
If he picks our best side ..... and we lose next week ....... I think he'll be sacked.

I don't think it'll save us though. Our best hope is a win and revival.

If he is sacked I'd personally like to see Thommo involved. Not because he has a past association, not because he does/doesn't have a PNE tattoo .... but because he has personality, coaching ability and obviously has been keeping up with the team so knows who the players are and their abilities. Give him a contract until the summer with a decent 'stay up' bonus.

If I read one more message about Ollie, Dobbie, Dyche, CA etc .... grrrrr.
We need a clear and definitive better option.
 
TimperleyTangerine said:
I am sure the Board will be meeting today, to discuss the situation.

The Huddersfield game and the result is not a significant consideration. It is just one game and winning it will not keep us up. The judgement will be made on MA’s ability to win 9 or 10 of the remaining games. Unfortunately, they gave him after the WC and we’ve eaten up more games. It is now or relegation.

I have a feeling he’ll be gone today or tomorrow.
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Isn't SS based in Surrey now? If so, they'll have met last night if anything was to be discussed.

Do the players train on Mondays? If they do then, if they were to get rid it would be done today.

Don't think he will be potted myself. For one we are close to making more signings I think.
 
voyeur said:
Ok. I think Sadler is pretty hell bent on touching it out but situations sometimes become untenable. He probably will get the Huddersfield game and may well get longer but Sadler will be considering whether to act now or wait longer, in the current circumstances. He didn't get where is is today without having an ability to be ruthless when a situation demanded it, I suspect. I wouldn't rule out Appleton leaving in the next 48 hours.
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Oh I hope you are right, it just isn't working and barring 3 or 4 games, hasn't worked all season. His reluctance to change and his mystifying selections and substitutions aren't getting better, if anything they are deteriorating. He was never the right fit, as much respect as I have for Sadler he's been had over by Mansford and Appleton's spiel. I'm hoping it acts as a lesson for future appointments.

When the inevitable happens who do we turn to? Talk of some 31yr old, set piece, coach at United does little for me. That said, I'd never heard of Critchley either. My gut says we need someone who can instantly unite the fans, knows the club and also has some coaching pedigree. I'll offer you a couple of names, if it has to be internal I'd look no further than Dobbie, of those out of work I'd have a chat with Leam Richardson, either way I'd be begging Thommo to return.
 
The biggest irony is when he takes us down as he surely will and moves on with a payout he will have taken us out of the division we were in when he came.
He will get another job as they all do never give us a second thought of the damage he has done and we will try probably unsuccessfully to get out of league one straight away.
The people left behind in the carnage are the fans who have to pick up the pieces because we are loyal and we care.
 
Born tangerine said:
The biggest irony is when he takes us down as he surely will and moves on with a payout he will have taken us out of the division we were in when he came.
He will get another job as they all do never give us a second thought of the damage he has done and we will try probably unsuccessfully to get out of league one straight away.
The people left behind in the carnage are the fans who have to pick up the pieces because we are loyal and we care.
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Some fans. Not the ones who are so out of touch with reality they think we could be buying Podeva, keeping JB and getting Sean Dyche.
 
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Oh I hope you are right, it just isn't working and barring 3 or 4 games, hasn't worked all season. His reluctance to change and his mystifying selections and substitutions aren't getting better, if anything they are deteriorating. He was never the right fit, as much respect as I have for Sadler he's been had over by Mansford and Appleton's spiel. I'm hoping it acts as a lesson for future appointments.

When the inevitable happens who do we turn to? Talk of some 31yr old, set piece, coach at United does little for me. That said, I'd never heard of Critchley either. My gut says we need someone who can instantly unite the fans, knows the club and also has some coaching pedigree. I'll offer you a couple of names, if it has to be internal I'd look no further than Dobbie, of those out of work I'd have a chat with Leam Richardson, either way I'd be begging Thommo to return.
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Finding the right coaches is about timing. Part who's out there, and part what your current circumstances are.

Much of which you have no control over. So what has Sadler done?

Grayson. Snap reaction to Phillips unexpectedly leaving. Seemed a safe pair of L1 hands to guide the club out of the madness of the previous few years. We weren't an attractive prospect at that time, so much damage to repair, limited options I suspect. But he was a bit washed up and wounded after Sunderland etc. Not in the right place. This should have been spotted by the recruitment team I think.

Critchley: a pretty successful appointment but still flawed. We had more interest and more options to choose from as managers saw us as a club eith potential to improve. But NC was always likely to use us as a first rung on his ladder. Which is fine if you're prepared for that eventuality.

Appleton. Which led us to our Appleton moment. NC stings us by quitting. BM has to try to persuade the world that our budget is a bit bigger than previously suggested. Potential candidates see us as a club that will have to fight to stay in the division without much money. Limited range of applicants. Appleton says he needs to get out from under his wife's feet. Recovering from cancer treatment. Not a fans choice. Odd choice.

Right now I suspect we wouldn't attract the people we want so a change would need to be temporary probably. Someone who might relish a four month 19 game stint with a simple objective and not much to lose. Keeping us up woukd benefit that person. It would be easier to recruit longer term in L1 I reckon. A division in which a coach would feel he could enhance his CV with us. But that means going backwards to regroup. Not ideal. If we are going to stay in the league and push on we need to attract a better coach, but we aren't a very attractive proposition at this level right now. It doesn't mean we couldn't find a suitable person though. We are a financially sound and pretty sensible club now, and capable of doing better on the pitch than we are doing. A chance for a confident young coach to prove how good he is.
 
fcblackpool said:
Isn't SS based in Surrey now? If so, they'll have met last night if anything was to be discussed.

Do the players train on Mondays? If they do then, if they were to get rid it would be done today.

Don't think he will be potted myself. For one we are close to making more signings I think.
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I think he still has a home in the Blackpool area.
However he must know, and take notice of, the fans feelings at present.
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
Or maybe the board are showing some loyalty and backing the man they brought in because they understand the challenges he's faced this season partly due to the abysmal transfer window in the summer
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Sorry Phil he’s not the man to turn the supertanker around even though the board has done emergency repairs in the engine room and we are capable of staying afloat.We need a much better Captain of the ship or we simply run aground.
 
TimperleyTangerine said:
I am sure the Board will be meeting today, to discuss the situation.

The Huddersfield game and the result is not a significant consideration. It is just one game and winning it will not keep us up. The judgement will be made on MA’s ability to win 9 or 10 of the remaining games. Unfortunately, they gave him after the WC and we’ve eaten up more games. It is now or relegation.

I have a feeling he’ll be gone today or tomorrow.
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I have a feeling he'll be with us right until the end of the season tbh. Though I hope you're right.
 
voyeur said:
Finding the right coaches is about timing. Part who's out there, and part what your current circumstances are.

Much of which you have no control over. So what has Sadler done?

Grayson. Snap reaction to Phillips unexpectedly leaving. Seemed a safe pair of L1 hands to guide the club out of the madness of the previous few years. We weren't an attractive prospect at that time, so much damage to repair, limited options I suspect. But he was a bit washed up and wounded after Sunderland etc. Not in the right place. This should have been spotted by the recruitment team I think.

Critchley: a pretty successful appointment but still flawed. We had more interest and more options to choose from as managers saw us as a club eith potential to improve. But NC was always likely to use us as a first rung on his ladder. Which is fine if you're prepared for that eventuality.

Appleton. Which led us to our Appleton moment. NC stings us by quitting. BM has to try to persuade the world that our budget is a bit bigger than previously suggested. Potential candidates see us as a club that will have to fight to stay in the division without much money. Limited range of applicants. Appleton says he needs to get out from under his wife's feet. Recovering from cancer treatment. Not a fans choice. Odd choice.

Right now I suspect we wouldn't attract the people we want so a change would need to be temporary probably. Someone who might relish a four month 19 game stint with a simple objective and not much to lose. Keeping us up woukd benefit that person. It would be easier to recruit longer term in L1 I reckon. A division in which a coach would feel he could enhance his CV with us. But that means going backwards to regroup. Not ideal. If we are going to stay in the league and push on we need to attract a better coach, but we aren't a very attractive proposition at this level right now. It doesn't mean we couldn't find a suitable person though. We are a financially sound and pretty sensible club now, and capable of doing better on the pitch than we are doing. A chance for a confident young coach to prove how good he is.
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I’d just go for Thommo. Someone positive, capable, liked by players and those in and around the club . A lifetime in football.Keep us up mandate and review in the summer. Literally better options out there than Appleton on Layton Flashings of a Sunday morning.
 
Seriously don't understand this

Thommo and Dobbie being mentioned

Is that how far our club has fallen?

Neither have the experience that's needed, if that's the standard of possible replacements we may as well stick with Appleton
 
voyeur said:
Grayson. Snap reaction to Phillips unexpectedly leaving. Seemed a safe pair of L1 hands to guide the club out of the madness of the previous few years. We weren't an attractive prospect at that time, so much damage to repair, limited options I suspect. But he was a bit washed up and wounded after Sunderland etc. Not in the right place. This should have been spotted by the recruitment team I think.

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Point of order. Grayson was offered the job before MaccyP was sacked. In fact I seem to recall that McP was sacked, but he didn't actually know about it until the next day.

It was awfully handled and I think Grayson had to wait for McP to reverse his car out of the parking space when he arrived.
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
Seriously don't understand this

Thommo and Dobbie being mentioned

Is that how far our club has fallen?

Neither have the experience that's needed, if that's the standard of possible replacements we may as well stick with Appleton
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It’s a short term job mainly about coaching a team to some home wins now, with a new mindset of positivity with coaching skills taking the players with him. Not a tailors dummy scowling away making stupid “the big I am” decisions and able to fall out with himself.
 
clappers said:
It’s a short term post about coaching a team to wins now with a new mindset of positivity with coaching skills. Not a tailors dummy scowling away making stupid “the big I am” decisions and able to fall out with himself.
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And they have a grand total of how many wins between them at this level?
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
And they have a grand total of how many wins between them at this level?
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How many wins did Critchley have at this level last year, yet he got us comfortably safe. It’s “Appletons experience” that’s landed us in this selection and decision making tactical mess.
 
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