He just can't help it

Who says he doesn't have the backing of 100 MPs? The Press seems to think he does have the backing, but I can't see any confirmation that he's even announced his bid to stand
 
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Trammo said:
You forgot to log in as Ollygon Wiz and neglected to type bastard after the word lying🤣😜
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Have you got a link to the Guardian stating that BJ has 100 backers that you claimed the other night or were you talking bollocks as usual.
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tommytwojags said:
Who says he doesn't have the backing of 100 MPs? The Press seems to think he does have the backing, but I can't see any confirmation that he's announced his bid to stand
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More importantly, who says he doesn't think that he has the backing of 100 MPs, it's not unknown for MPs to promise their votes to one candidate and then vote for another.

Guido (who is becoming the go-to source for this information) says 60 publicly declared plus another 16 private, with another 102 unknown it's reasonable to say that he probably has the support of over 100 MPs, although it's entirely possible that he's wrong.

Being mistaken is not lying, no matter how hard @Wizaard / @Ollygon etc try to claim otherwise (which by the way really is lying).
 
Lost Seasider said:
More importantly, who says he doesn't think that he has the backing of 100 MPs, it's not unknown for MPs to promise their votes to one candidate and then vote for another.

Guido (who is becoming the go-to source for this information) says 60 publicly declared plus another 16 private, with another 102 unknown it's reasonable to say that he probably has the support of over 100 MPs, although it's entirely possible that he's wrong.

Being mistaken is not lying, no matter how hard @Wizaard / @Ollygon etc try to claim otherwise (which by the way really is lying).
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Funny how he is so frequently mistaken.

Anyone would think he's doing it deliberately. It's like Bob Geldof persuading rock stars to go to Live Aid. They were all saying no until he said David Bowie was going, while at the same time persuading Bowie to play by saying Paul MacCartney was playing.

If enough MPs believe he's got 100 then they might go with the perceived flow even if it's a fabrication.
 
Lost Seasider said:
More importantly, who says he doesn't think that he has the backing of 100 MPs, it's not unknown for MPs to promise their votes to one candidate and then vote for another.

Guido (who is becoming the go-to source for this information) says 60 publicly declared plus another 16 private, with another 102 unknown it's reasonable to say that he probably has the support of over 100 MPs, although it's entirely possible that he's wrong.

Being mistaken is not lying, no matter how hard @Wizaard / @Ollygon etc try to claim otherwise (which by the way really is lying).
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Question. Is there anyway for you to accept Boris lied unless he himself admits it? Because theoretically you could say about anything that he unkowningly misled because he thought it was true, or that he had the best intentions but changed his mind. Will you just use this as an excuse for every single thing unless Boris Johnson is on record as saying 'yes that was a lie'. Because it makes it very transparent when that's your burden of proof for him, but then you call Starmer a liar for not sticking to his leadership election pledges.
 
The sooner the new PM gets appointed, the sooner the country can start the serious business of our recovery.
All this petulant behaviour by MP's & the repetitive anti Gov reporting by the media does my swede in (I don't support any of the parties). They should all be pulling together to aid our recovery.
 
585 = never give up said:
The sooner the new PM gets appointed, the sooner the country can start the serious business of our recovery.
All this petulant behaviour by MP's & the repetitive anti Gov reporting by the media does my swede in (I don't support any of the parties). They should all be pulling together to aid our recovery.
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It is not the job of the independent media to cheerlead for the Government. Especially when a majority of the country believes a large part of the "swede" we are in is due to the Government.
 
foggy said:
It is not the job of the independent media to cheerlead for the Government. Especially when a majority of the country believes a large part of the "swede" we are in is due to the Government.
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I get that, but the repetitive, biased, almost rude interviews do my head in 😟 Print some positive stuff and help cheer the country up!
 
585 = never give up said:
The sooner the new PM gets appointed, the sooner the country can start the serious business of our recovery.
All this petulant behaviour by MP's & the repetitive anti Gov reporting by the media does my swede in (I don't support any of the parties). They should all be pulling together to aid our recovery.
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The seemingly three possibilities for PM can be described as follows.

Penny Mordaunt. Wants to unite the party and country. Won't get enough votes.
Rishi Sunak. Wants to start rebuilding the economy. Will get MPs backing but not party members
Boris Johnson. Wants to get back on the gravy train and cash in. The members will vote him in again. Its like an abused wife going back to the wife beater.
 
585 = never give up said:
I get that, but the repetitive, biased, almost rude interviews do my head in 😟 Print some positive stuff and help cheer the country up!
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I actually agree with you on this. Not the print some positive stuff to cheer people up, because that's not the job of the media. But Paxman changed interviewing forever for the worse. A politician sits down and an interview might as well dropkick them and call them a ** before they even get a chance to open their mouth. It just makes them resist ever saying anything substantial.
 
foggy said:
Question. Is there anyway for you to accept Boris lied unless he himself admits it?
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Yes, simply prove that he knowingly lied.


foggy said:
Because theoretically you could say about anything that he unkowningly misled because he thought it was true, or that he had the best intentions but changed his mind.
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Which is the point, when you look closely your so-called lies are anything but lies.

On partygate for example, I'm reasonably sure Boris made enquiries of his PPS (who was at the centre of the whole thing) and others and was assured that no parties happened and the rules were followed at all times, it's not the PM who was telling lies, it was his PPS instead.


foggy said:
Because it makes it very transparent when that's your burden of proof for him
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Yes, actually use the dictionary definition of "lie", rather than a politically convenient interpretation of the word.


foggy said:
but then you call Starmer a liar for not sticking to his leadership election pledges.
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In that case I'm using the leftists' version of the word for effect, hence why I put it in parentheses (usually), although in Starmer's case, I think at least some of his pledges and other statements during his election campaign must be getting close to an outright lie.
 
I’ve voted Conservative all my working life….. but it’s time for a general election. This party is in absolute turmoil and massive mistakes have been made.
I never thought I’d say this, but Starmer talks some sense and I really do think he’s done a great job of steadying that ship, as they were in a right old two and eight!
Time for change me thinks
 
Lost Seasider said:
Yes, simply prove that he knowingly lied.




Which is the point, when you look closely your so-called lies are anything but lies.

On partygate for example, I'm reasonably sure Boris made enquiries of his PPS (who was at the centre of the whole thing) and others and was assured that no parties happened and the rules were followed at all times, it's not the PM who was telling lies, it was his PPS instead.




Yes, actually use the dictionary definition of "lie", rather than a politically convenient interpretation of the word.




In that case I'm using the leftists' version of the word for effect, hence why I put it in parentheses (usually), although in Starmer's case, I think at least some of his pledges and other statements during his election campaign must be getting close to an outright lie.
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There is absolutely no way of proving someone knowingly lied without the person admitting he did so. However, people with common sense will come to their own conclusions based on the incident, and the track record and character of the person. If you want to play it literally, by the book, throwing out all natural human judgement, I can't prove Boris lied. But when earlier today you were calling Keir a liar for not sticking to pledges, it just shows what you really mean. In the real world, people will make their decisions based on common sense. And that's why 80% of the country believed he lied about partygate.
 
foggy said:
There is absolutely no way of proving someone knowingly lied without the person admitting he did so. However, people with common sense will come to their own conclusions based on the incident, and the track record and character of the person. If you want to play it literally, by the book, throwing out all natural human judgement, I can't prove Boris lied. But when earlier today you were calling Keir a liar for not sticking to pledges, it just shows what you really mean. In the real world, people will make their decisions based on common sense. And that's why 80% of the country believed he lied about partygate.
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And the other 20% are lying to themselves.
 
foggy said:
There is absolutely no way of proving someone knowingly lied without the person admitting he did so. However, people with common sense will come to their own conclusions based on the incident, and the track record and character of the person. If you want to play it literally, by the book, throwing out all natural human judgement, I can't prove Boris lied. But when earlier today you were calling Keir a liar for not sticking to pledges, it just shows what you really mean. In the real world, people will make their decisions based on common sense. And that's why 80% of the country believed he lied about partygate.
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Finally you get it.

There is no evidence that Mr Johnson lied.
 
Lost Seasider said:
Finally you get it.

There is no evidence that Mr Johnson lied.
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There is no way to convince someone who has decided the only way to call someone a liar is if they admit it themselves (unless they are a member of the opposite party, then it's ok). No. And there is no point trying to convince someone so transparenly partisan, entrenched in such views they will call 80% of the country and 50% of Tory voters loony lefties for disagreeing with him. So I won't bother.
 
foggy said:
There is no way to convince someone who has decided the only way to call someone a liar is if they admit it themselves (unless they are a member of the opposite party, then it's ok). No. And there is no point trying to convince someone so transparenly partisan, entrenched in such views they will call 80% of the country and 50% of Tory voters loony lefties for disagreeing with him. So I won't bother.
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Who called 80% of the country loony lefties?

The fact is your claim of "lies" is unproven and simply your opinion of the man.
 
Lost Seasider said:
Who called 80% of the country loony lefties?

The fact is your claim of "lies" is unproven and simply your opinion of the man.
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Since we are on a message board and not a court of law, yes it is my opinion.

You wrote "I am serious, your so-called lies really only exist in your mind and those of your fellow left wing loons". 80% of the country thought he lied about partygate.
 
foggy said:
Since we are on a message board and not a court of law, yes it is my opinion.

You wrote "I am serious, your so-called lies really only exist in your mind and those of your fellow left wing loons". 80% of the country thought he lied about partygate.
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80% of the country doesn't post on this forum.
 
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