How easily fooled some are

hertfordseasider

hertfordseasider

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A structured dialogue meeting, Sadler and Bullshit in the spotlight saying all the right things, how much Sadler is investing and yet here we are with the worst team in Championship by a country mile, League one nailed on and a squad of players not worthy of wearing the shirt bar 5 or 6.

It's great the club is financially secure, that Sadler is investing his own money, well done, but if the football is dreadful and nothing has been done to improve the football side for 18 months and what will only continue next season if we keep the employees who make these decisions and we continue to slide, appoint ** awful managers and shit injury prone players and try to run a Championship club on league 1 wages and the football is as dire as it has been, it doesn't matter a hoot what you say or how much you are putting into the club for this thing and that, if the football is awful then you will lose the support, not only in the stadium but also the lemming like support you seem to have from them at the moment.

It needs a massive change. There are 3 of you at the top who know absolutely fuck all about football, Mansford? Do me a favour, Bullshit is the perfect name for him. Get rid of them and get some people in who know football otherwise you will find out how quickly your acolytes will turn.
 
hertfordseasider said:
A structured dialogue meeting, Sadler and Bullshit in the spotlight saying all the right things, how much Sadler is investing and yet here we are with the worst team in Championship by a country mile, League one nailed on and a squad of players not worthy of wearing the shirt bar 5 or 6.

It's great the club is financially secure, that Sadler is investing his own money, well done, but if the football is dreadful and nothing has been done to improve the football side for 18 months and what will only continue next season if we keep the employees who make these decisions and we continue to slide, appoint ** awful managers and shit injury prone players and try to run a Championship club on league 1 wages and the football is as dire as it has been, it doesn't matter a hoot what you say or how much you are putting into the club for this thing and that, if the football is awful then you will lose the support, not only in the stadium but also the lemming like support you seem to have from them at the moment.

It needs a massive change. There are 3 of you at the top who know absolutely fuck all about football, Mansford? Do me a favour, Bullshit is the perfect name for him. Get rid of them and get some people in who know football otherwise you will find out how quickly your acolytes will turn.
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Mansford = repulsive useless egotistic tool
 
hertfordseasider said:
A structured dialogue meeting, Sadler and Bullshit in the spotlight saying all the right things, how much Sadler is investing and yet here we are with the worst team in Championship by a country mile, League one nailed on and a squad of players not worthy of wearing the shirt bar 5 or 6.

It's great the club is financially secure, that Sadler is investing his own money, well done, but if the football is dreadful and nothing has been done to improve the football side for 18 months and what will only continue next season if we keep the employees who make these decisions and we continue to slide, appoint ** awful managers and shit injury prone players and try to run a Championship club on league 1 wages and the football is as dire as it has been, it doesn't matter a hoot what you say or how much you are putting into the club for this thing and that, if the football is awful then you will lose the support, not only in the stadium but also the lemming like support you seem to have from them at the moment.

It needs a massive change. There are 3 of you at the top who know absolutely fuck all about football, Mansford? Do me a favour, Bullshit is the perfect name for him. Get rid of them and get some people in who know football otherwise you will find out how quickly your acolytes will turn.
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But we ARE a league one club. Attendance, set up, fans etc. In every way we are.

SS's challenge is to build something that is set up to succeed at a higher level. It won't happen overnight, and I applaud his transparency and vision for the future.

I am disappointed that we are so poor, but we deserve to go down.

SS has my full support.
 
If you read between the lines he has basically said there is no rush for the planned training ground, and it won't be going ahead unless costs are cut.

A judgement day 4 is desperately needed last home game of the season.
 
Chunkylad said:
Herts. You’re pushing hard on this subject. What happened to you with SS and BM as it’s clearly personal and almost laser targeted?

Shite season, shite recruiting, shite football but this is more than that for you isn’t it?
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No, I really haven't, I think Sadler is the right man as owner, he is putting the club first and injecting millions to keep us in a healthy financial position, unlike the other clubs in this division who seem to be able to get away with way overspending, although that's another debate entirely. I do, however think his football knowledge is suspect and I don't think Mansford was the right person to take on based on how the football side of the club is progressing, or not as the case may be. It's about the whole, not the bits. Yes, it's great to have a properly run football club off the pitch, especially after the debacle we had suffered for decades before. It is comforting. However you need to be on song with other and for 18 months the football side has been amateurish at best and neglectful at worse. We are on a downward spiral, I don't think, as it stands, that we have the right people in post who make the big decisions. I think that's clear to see. It has been said that Sadler makes the final decisions on managers etc., based on who he has seen and the advice of his team. Sadly, this is our Achilles heel at the moment and as in any other business, those who are not performing need to be moved on and replaced with others who will improve us.

I'm not lasering in on anyone, I think it's once bitten, actually twice bitten if you add Cartmell into the mix. I find this faux hero worship of Sadler a little irritating and I can't see where else the mistakes re the footballing side come from, so I am trying to make some sense of it. I want Sadler to succeed as much as everyone else, we need stability and we have that financially and for the infrastructure going forward, but I also think they are getting the footballing side horribly wrong, and that, at the end of the day, is what the supporters really care about.
 
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Victorsponge said:
It's all very well bringing a "head of football operations" and new recruitment team but if the board aren't prepared to pay the transfer fees and wages required what's the point of them.
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We cannot pay the transfer fees and wages that a lot of the other Championship clubs do no. Some of them can't either. That's just plain daft.

If we want to compete at that level we are going to have to find a smarter way. Like the Quitchley appointment. Until the fucker left for a bag of money.
 
Tango1953 said:
Weird bloke.

At least have the courage of your convictions. Might make your weekly mental breakdown on here more credible.
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The top one was about appointing the manager and I do think the pair of them are numpties when it comes to the football side, which is what I have said. I do however think he is the right person as owner, for now, he clearly has a plan, he just needs to understand the football side quickly and who he has around advising him.
 
Tango1953 said:
Weird bloke.

At least have the courage of your convictions. Might make your weekly mental breakdown on here more credible.
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I think the spirit of what he's saying when f off Sadler is to do with his football decision making. And in that respect he'd be correct.

There's a lot gone wrong on the pitch and sorry, someone has to be responsible for that. SS does the hiring and delegating, so the big question is how does he change that for the better. It needs doing because the same quality decisions made again aren't worth contemplating.
 
fcblackpool said:
I think the spirit of what he's saying when f off Sadler is to do with his football decision making. And in that respect he'd be correct.

There's a lot gone wrong on the pitch and sorry, someone has to be responsible for that. SS does the hiring and delegating, so the big question is how does he change that for the better. It needs doing because the same quality decisions made again aren't worth contemplating.
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I've just had a look at Tanger's posting history and he just criticises posters constantly so it's water off a duck's back Fount's,
 
Voice of Reason said:
We cannot pay the transfer fees and wages that a lot of the other Championship clubs do no. Some of them can't either. That's just plain daft.

If we want to compete at that level we are going to have to find a smarter way. Like the Quitchley appointment. Until the fucker left for a bag of money.
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What's the smarter way?
 
The personal attacks towards Ben Mansford are way ott the police contacted him a few weeks
ago to tell him he’d had threats made against his safety ffs, he’s recently had a child and his wife is currently pregnant we've had a shit season and mistakes have been made by accident not on purpose, so why don’t people grow up and stop being so pathetic.
 
hertfordseasider said:
A structured dialogue meeting, Sadler and Bullshit in the spotlight saying all the right things, how much Sadler is investing and yet here we are with the worst team in Championship by a country mile, League one nailed on and a squad of players not worthy of wearing the shirt bar 5 or 6.

It's great the club is financially secure, that Sadler is investing his own money, well done, but if the football is dreadful and nothing has been done to improve the football side for 18 months and what will only continue next season if we keep the employees who make these decisions and we continue to slide, appoint ** awful managers and shit injury prone players and try to run a Championship club on league 1 wages and the football is as dire as it has been, it doesn't matter a hoot what you say or how much you are putting into the club for this thing and that, if the football is awful then you will lose the support, not only in the stadium but also the lemming like support you seem to have from them at the moment.

It needs a massive change. There are 3 of you at the top who know absolutely fuck all about football, Mansford? Do me a favour, Bullshit is the perfect name for him. Get rid of them and get some people in who know football otherwise you will find out how quickly your acolytes will turn.
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Would you come to Blackpool and say all that to his face ? oops I forgot you dont come to Blackpool 🙁
 
Northstandsinger said:
The personal attacks towards Ben Mansford are way ott the police contacted him a few weeks
ago to tell him he’d had threats made against his safety ffs, he’s recently had a child and his wife is currently pregnant we've had a shit season and mistakes have been made by accident not on purpose, so why don’t people grow up and stop being so pathetic.
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I hadn't intended to post this but Mr Mansford told me, in conversation, that his wife was pregnant and he'd had death threats made against them. It's rotten. It's disgusting. Football-wise though, it's not working out Ben.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
I hadn't intended to post this but Mr Mansford told me, in conversation, that his wife was pregnant and he'd had death threats made against them. It's rotten. It's disgusting. Football-wise though, it's not working out Ben.
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That is absolutely sickening, there are some sad, strange people out there, it's fine to have opinions on message boards, that's what they are there for, but for something like that, which is a serious criminal offence then I hope they catch whoever has sent them and deal with them accordingly. Thankfully we have never had anything like that on here in all my years of posting that I can remember.
 
hertfordseasider said:
I've just had a look at Tanger's posting history and he just criticises posters constantly so it's water off a duck's back Fount's,
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Like you hypocritically criticising fans for not going to games? Even tried to piggy back off someone else's match going history. Odd bloke.
 
hertfordseasider said:
That is absolutely sickening, there are some sad, strange people out there, it's fine to have opinions on message boards, that's what they are there for, but for something like that, which is a serious criminal offence then I hope they catch whoever has sent them and deal with them accordingly. Thankfully we have never had anything like that on here in all my years of posting that I can remember.
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Herts, I think there were a fair few similar posts directed towards Scarecrow and Slazenger Boy during there tenure
 
First off business wise the board seem to be getting things right and doing things the right way. The footballing side however has been a sh1t show and still is. Managerially our appointments have been horrific bar Critchley who maybe they just got lucky with. Recruitment has been horrific too. I do honestly think I could do much much better on this side of things. Nobody with base footballing knowledge would have ever gone for McCarthy with the squad we had. It was always going to fail and its worrying that they didn't see that.
 
BlackpoolJord said:
If you read between the lines he has basically said there is no rush for the planned training ground, and it won't be going ahead unless costs are cut.

A judgement day 4 is desperately needed last home game of the season.
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Why would a judgement day 4 be required?
 
Herts, he has brought in a new director of football. So, obviously he isn't happy with the footballing side too and has brought in someone to change that. What else can he do? I'm guessing Mansford will now only be dealing with commercial operations.

We can only wait and see what happens in the summer and beyond and hopefully things on that front improve. Chris Badlan and Sadler would then be due some praise.

This season, admittedly has been awful and the appointment of Appleton was appalling but changes have been made.
 
RambleFan said:
They are thinking long term whereas a lot of us are fixated on the immediate issue of this crap season. The recruitment behind the scenes is unheard of for us and will hopefully start showing results soon but this year is a write off .
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That's very true, plus emotions after another terrible performance and of course the fear of relegation. At the end of the day we all want us to do well and it doesn't always work out like that. But it has been a shocker of a season.
 
Seaseaseasider said:
Herts, he has brought in a new director of football. So, obviously he isn't happy with the footballing side too and has brought in someone to change that. What else can he do? I'm guessing Mansford will now only be dealing with commercial operations.

We can only wait and see what happens in the summer and beyond and hopefully things on that front improve. Chris Badlan and Sadler would then be due some praise.

This season, admittedly has been awful and the appointment of Appleton was appalling but changes have been made.
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I think we have to, barring a miracle, accept we are going down and then we will see what the new guy and the lads from Coventry can do (are likely hard at work doing now) as they are going to need to identify a progressive manager and rebuild a squad pretty much from scratch. Not easy, whoever you are.

Football is emotive, particularly when it's your own team and the messages after a game are always more reactionary and emotional than say by tomorrow, it's just human nature
 
I don't think all this social media venom helps at all. Especially considering the eight days we have just endured as a club. They will know it's not good enough and hasn't been good enough for a long time. They will privately regret some of the decisions made, and decisions not made. There have been some shockers. What's all this need for a public flogging though? It's very likely too late for this season but let's show a bit of resilience and see what comes next.
 
hertfordseasider said:
I think we have to, barring a miracle, accept we are going down and then we will see what the new guy and the lads from Coventry can do (are likely hard at work doing now) as they are going to need to identify a progressive manager and rebuild a squad pretty much from scratch. Not easy, whoever you are.

Football is emotive, particularly when it's your own team and the messages after a game are always more reactionary and emotional than say by tomorrow, it's just human nature
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I think we're down too, unfortunately. We've been told that Badlan is already looking at potential managerial appointments. That's why I was surprised about Manning because I imagined him being someone Badlan would like.

Hopefully, the end of the season will come, we quickly appoint someone and have players lined up who are permanent signings with ability and potential.
 
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Northstandsinger said:
The personal attacks towards Ben Mansford are way ott the police contacted him a few weeks
ago to tell him he’d had threats made against his safety ffs, he’s recently had a child and his wife is currently pregnant we've had a shit season and mistakes have been made by accident not on purpose, so why don’t people grow up and stop being so pathetic.
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Totally agree
 
It's as you were after today's results, with two home games to come. Yes we are right in the shit but we are also lucky none of the others around us are pulling away. By 5pm Saturday we'll know if it's all over or game on. Let's stay behind them. When did we become defeatist?
 
Victorsponge said:
What's the smarter way?
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Good question.

Manager wise I'd say that Quitchley was a successful move in the required direction. A younger coach/manager, with something that makes him stand out. Career path. Character. Experience. Reputation. Desire. We need to stop this obsession with ex managers and ex players. Whatever seems 'obvious' should be treated with extreme caution (Ollie, Dobbie, Tommo, Charlie, Grayson, Appleton, Evatt, GTF and on and on).

Off the pitch we need to continue to improve the way the club is run. Lots of great progress made here of course, but some way to go ... and w have heard the plan.

As a fanbase we need to be better, stop moaning as much. The recent meeting showed a way this can be addressed by the club. The abuse of individuals needs to stop.

Player wise we need to move away from the older crocks. They are cheaper but the risk is too high.

We need to accept that we are going to punching above our weight as the strategy develops.
 
Bend it like Suddick said:
1 win in 19 tells you all you need to know about the Management recruitment and Board incompetence.
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Before Sadler came we'd been promoted to Championship level just once in 40 odd years so a promotion and a comfortable season at this level shows they can't be completely incompetent even if mistakes have been made this season. It's just the norm though for people to go OTT and quite honestly it seems the modern fan can't accept anything gracefully these days . It's a bad season and we're probably going to get relegated but hopefully we can start moving forward again. New recruitment team in place and a new manager in the summer , training ground and East still planned yet people still moan about the dialogue meeting. The answers are there and this season is what it is at the moment.
 
Northstandsinger said:
The personal attacks towards Ben Mansford are way ott the police contacted him a few weeks
ago to tell him he’d had threats made against his safety ffs, he’s recently had a child and his wife is currently pregnant we've had a shit season and mistakes have been made by accident not on purpose, so why don’t people grow up and stop being so pathetic.
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Spot on post singer lad 👍🏻🧡🧡
 
Mark_GT said:
It's as you were after today's results, with two home games to come. Yes we are right in the shit but we are also lucky none of the others around us are pulling away. By 5pm Saturday we'll know if it's all over or game on. Let's stay behind them. When did we become defeatist?
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Hope springs eternal. 👍
 
PNENIL said:
Before Sadler came we'd been promoted to Championship level just once in 40 odd years so a promotion and a comfortable season at this level shows they can't be completely incompetent even if mistakes have been made this season. It's just the norm though for people to go OTT and quite honestly it seems the modern fan can't accept anything gracefully these days . It's a bad season and we're probably going to get relegated but hopefully we can start moving forward again. New recruitment team in place and a new manager in the summer , training ground and East still planned yet people still moan about the dialogue meeting. The answers are there and this season is what it is at the moment.
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Using your rational about promotion to and surviving a season in the Championship showing competence, implies you think the Os were competent
 
Victorsponge said:
Using your rational about promotion to and surviving a season in the Championship showing competence, implies you think the Os were competent
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The Oystons took 20 odd years to get anywhere near the Championship and we spent some of that time in L2. Sadler did it within 2 years. Another opinion that I read on here a lot is its the manner of the relegation if it happens this season. Don't agree with that either. That applies to when we were relegated from the Championship last time when the Oystons just stood back and let it happen . This is different. Mistakes have been made but they've tried to rectify things and it just hasn't worked.
 
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