How Not to Run a Football Club - Official Discussion Thread

Sooty59 said:
I was extremely bitter at the time due to missing 5 years because of the tyrants who shouldn't have been anywhere near our club. My wife had to tell me to chill out. I did quite a few of the protests & most of the marches & the cold EFL visit, but nothing compared with some. I wondered if reading the book would bring back bad memories. It didn't particularly though just astonishment even though I was aware of most of the content.
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I was shaking my head most of the way through the book…my wife would walk past me and say “ your head’s wobbling again “ 😀
 
foggy said:
For what it's worth - and everyone can make up their own mind on this - but Sam brought that up and was genuinely pissed off his friend posted that photo apparently without him knowing, even all these years later.

Sam was the only Oyston I spoke to who was actually contrite and apologetic, and said he was 'stupid and immature'. It was at least refreshing to hear him own up to it,. whether it makes any difference is up to each individual fan.
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Nah. He was old enough to know how he was behaving. They can all fuck off tbh.
 
SeasideKurt said:
Nah. He was old enough to know how he was behaving. They can all fuck off tbh.
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A bit harsh. He was young and look who his mentors were Kurt. I think he was very immature and he was antagonistic etc but he was young….he may be an entirely different character now possibly. Anyway he will have suffered…….”running” the BFC Hotel and then reduced to sitting at a desk in an Estate Agents just like a normal Joe
 
Bloodtangerine said:
A bit harsh. He was young and look who his mentors were Kurt. I think he was very immature and he was antagonistic etc but he was young….he may be an entirely different character now possibly. Anyway he will have suffered…….”running” the BFC Hotel and then reduced to sitting at a desk in an Estate Agents just like a normal Joe
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Maybe I am but he had an opportunity to not prance round like a dickhead and decided to do the opposite. I hope he has suffered. I've not forgiven and won't forgive any of them.
 
Logs on to see how the response to the book has been.

Ah, mostly good, how lovely.
Wait, hang on, who are these miserable bastards having a go at Foggy because he didn't mention them by name and admit that without them, personally, the Oystons would have won?
Oh FFS now they're defending the Oystons!

Logs off.

See you in a few months.
 
foggy said:
For what it's worth - and everyone can make up their own mind on this - but Sam brought that up and was genuinely pissed off his friend posted that photo apparently without him knowing, even all these years later.

Sam was the only Oyston I spoke to who was actually contrite and apologetic, and said he was 'stupid and immature'. It was at least refreshing to hear him own up to it,. whether it makes any difference is up to each individual fan.
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I doubt fans will forget Sams role in all of this and yes he was young and immature at the time, but as a parent you have one main job in life and that is to provide love, care, guidance and protection to your children at all cost, unfortunately the 🤡 failed miserably on all counts and should never have exposed him to this shocking period in his young life!
 
LeedsSeasider said:
On the other hand, sales of tissues are through the roof in North Wales.

Apparently some short bald bloke has been walking round Rhyl, crying, uttering the words “why foggy? Why didn’t you mention me?”.
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I've notice he's using his Twitter account to abuse Foggy now
 
As evident from this thread, some people find psychological comfort in giving constant criticism (Roy Keane is an example from TV) and are unable to understand that somebody else's perspective of events may differ from their own but both have a truth to them.
The thing about Foggy's account is that I think that a lot of the description of events will come from more than one source of information, which gives it greater validity than a single person's account.
Anyway my copy has now been dispatched so I am looking forward to reading it, I'm more interested in the behind the scenes stuff that I didn't know about. More generally, I think that this book may become a surprise hit, sports books always generate interest and this one contains (from what I can tell) many juicy morsels and some stuff that is almost unbelievable.
 
Just finished it. Wow.

There were so many WTF incidents during this period, some I’d forgotten, some I never knew, so this is a valuable keepsake to remind us (and following generations) of the Os’ spiralling madness, the appalling treatment of the likes of Parky and Steve Thompson, and the sacrifices we made for the love of BFC.

It’s not comprehensive, but the publisher didn’t want a 600 pager.
Each of us might have done it differently – but only Foggy had the dedication to put it together.

I hope this book is remembered at the end of the year when the awards for sporting books are dished out.
Because while the sector is awash with anodyne landfill - bland memoirs and fawning paeans to the uber-rich - this is dynamite stuff, written with the passion of a fan.

Thanks, Foggy.
 
haggertyf said:
You said " the author is a proper bell end who hasn't got a clue" so don't give me that old bollocks
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Keep up old boy that was after the continuous abuse I've had on social media, including a threat from who i believe is the authors brother

It does appear that book feedback is welcome as long as its something like "its a great book"
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
Keep up old boy that was after the continuous abuse I've had on social media, including a threat from who i believe is the authors brother

It does appear that book feedback is welcome as long as its something like "its a great book"
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You said the only abuse was made at you which isn't the truth is it?
 
In fairness, much like my own, Phil’s initial comments on this thread are polite and largely inconsequential really. In many respects there was no need for Foggy (or anyone else) to justify themselves or offer a counter-argument.

In offering a counter-argument and possibly bevoming a bit defensive (perhaps understandably so), the situation has then developed into something it really should never have been.

As has already been said, there’s a bit of a pack mentality that has developed in this thread (and while people may feel justified) some of it feels like bullying to me and I can appreciate why Phil’s heckles have been raised as a result.

Looking back, I think it would be reasonable to say that it wasn’t just Phil’s fault that this developed the way that it has. There was a veiled threat of violence towards Phil, the tiny criticism (which was counterbalanced with plenty of praise) wasn’t received very well and as ever in here the pack go about isolating and cornering individuals for simply not quite conforming to the latest ‘group-think’.


I think the biggest lesson for me is simply don’t bother asking for feedback if you only want to hear positive stuff.
 
Fuk me some people really need to get out more…🤣…the reality is if it wasn’t for Vals legal team the oystons would still more than likely be owners and all the fan led initiatives would still be occurring…lighten up, the suns shining outside..😎
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
In fairness, much like my own, Phil’s initial comments on this thread are polite and largely inconsequential really. In many respects there was no need for Foggy (or anyone else) to justify themselves or offer a counter-argument.

In offering a counter-argument and possibly bevoming a bit defensive (perhaps understandably so), the situation has then developed into something it really should never have been.

As has already been said, there’s a bit of a pack mentality that has developed in this thread (and while people may feel justified) some of it feels like bullying to me and I can appreciate why Phil’s heckles have been raised as a result.

Looking back, I think it would be reasonable to say that it wasn’t just Phil’s fault that this developed the way that it has. There was a veiled threat of violence towards Phil, the tiny criticism (which was counterbalanced with plenty of praise) wasn’t received very well and as ever in here the pack go about isolating and cornering individuals for simply not quite conforming to the latest ‘group-think’.


I think the biggest lesson for me is simply don’t bother asking for feedback if you only want to hear positive stuff.
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The biggest take away for me, is don't read a book you hoped, prayed to be in and get upset when you're not.

I read 50 shades of grey on holiday once and was ** furious I wasn't mentioned.
 
Finished reading it. I know I'm probably biased, but it's a fantastic read for anyone interested in football.

Everyone I've ever told I'm a a Blackpool fan (which is an awful lot of people) knew the Oystons were wrong uns, but this forensic dissection of what was going on really opened my eyes at some parts. I'll be getting some of my non Blackpool mates to read it, so they can fully understand just why we boycotted the club.

It wouldn't hurt some of the Nobbers infesting these parts either, if they can read. Maybe it would bring some understanding of why we're just glad to be back in the ground and what your team means to you, something you only truly understand when that ritual on a matchday is taken away.

For me it goes a long way to explaining why our support is seen as so good. We're simply ecstatic at being back at the game, home and away.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
In fairness, much like my own, Phil’s initial comments on this thread are polite and largely inconsequential really. In many respects there was no need for Foggy (or anyone else) to justify themselves or offer a counter-argument.

In offering a counter-argument and possibly bevoming a bit defensive (perhaps understandably so), the situation has then developed into something it really should never have been.

As has already been said, there’s a bit of a pack mentality that has developed in this thread (and while people may feel justified) some of it feels like bullying to me and I can appreciate why Phil’s heckles have been raised as a result.

Looking back, I think it would be reasonable to say that it wasn’t just Phil’s fault that this developed the way that it has. There was a veiled threat of violence towards Phil, the tiny criticism (which was counterbalanced with plenty of praise) wasn’t received very well and as ever in here the pack go about isolating and cornering individuals for simply not quite conforming to the latest ‘group-think’.


I think the biggest lesson for me is simply don’t bother asking for feedback if you only want to hear positive stuff.
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It's funny you mention a veiled threat of violence towards Phil when over the years he's been more than happy to meet up face to face with posters on here who've disagreed with him.Phil's main problem is that he contradicts himself which is clearly evident on this thread
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
In fairness, much like my own, Phil’s initial comments on this thread are polite and largely inconsequential really. In many respects there was no need for Foggy (or anyone else) to justify themselves or offer a counter-argument.

In offering a counter-argument and possibly bevoming a bit defensive (perhaps understandably so), the situation has then developed into something it really should never have been.

As has already been said, there’s a bit of a pack mentality that has developed in this thread (and while people may feel justified) some of it feels like bullying to me and I can appreciate why Phil’s heckles have been raised as a result.

Looking back, I think it would be reasonable to say that it wasn’t just Phil’s fault that this developed the way that it has. There was a veiled threat of violence towards Phil, the tiny criticism (which was counterbalanced with plenty of praise) wasn’t received very well and as ever in here the pack go about isolating and cornering individuals for simply not quite conforming to the latest ‘group-think’.


I think the biggest lesson for me is simply don’t bother asking for feedback if you only want to hear positive stuff.
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How does that song go?

"Always the victim....."

:)
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
In fairness, much like my own, Phil’s initial comments on this thread are polite and largely inconsequential really. In many respects there was no need for Foggy (or anyone else) to justify themselves or offer a counter-argument.

In offering a counter-argument and possibly bevoming a bit defensive (perhaps understandably so), the situation has then developed into something it really should never have been.

As has already been said, there’s a bit of a pack mentality that has developed in this thread (and while people may feel justified) some of it feels like bullying to me and I can appreciate why Phil’s heckles have been raised as a result.

Looking back, I think it would be reasonable to say that it wasn’t just Phil’s fault that this developed the way that it has. There was a veiled threat of violence towards Phil, the tiny criticism (which was counterbalanced with plenty of praise) wasn’t received very well and as ever in here the pack go about isolating and cornering individuals for simply not quite conforming to the latest ‘group-think’.


I think the biggest lesson for me is simply don’t bother asking for feedback if you only want to hear positive stuff.
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The feedback Phil gave was fairly received by Foggy, and both were quite cordial to each other, but Phil then said to another poster that there were several inaccuracies. Foggy was then trying to get Phil to clarify this feedback. There was a big back and forth of Foggy trying to get Phil to say what the inaccuracies were, Phil then danced around the gardens not specifying any, he just said "things about Huds and Derby".

Also at one point, Phil also announced he had enough with the thread, and stopped posting, and the whole thread had moved on. Only for him to come in days later, not replying to anyone, and restart the whole argument again basically repeating his "this book was inaccurate" line. Then he finally did specify one 'inaccuracy' and it wasn't an inaccuracy at all.

I think the lesson is, if you're going to give feedback, be constructive and keep it within the realms of reality. Otherwise it's useless, and isn't feedback at all, just pointless nitpicking and sniping. Instead of saying "this book is inaccurate because the bits I think are important aren't in it", you could say "I wish the book contained more details on x,y,z". By just saying it's inaccurate and then being vague about what's inaccurate, you're not offering the author any useful feedback. Any author interested in useful feedback would press that person to actually specify what they're referring to. There's a difference between offering a counter argument, and asking someone to clarify their comments.

Also the "don't bother asking for feedback" line is a bit much. It was a thread started for discussion of the book. Whilst feedback can be part of that, it was never actually specified or asked for in the original post. My thoughts when opening the thread was it would revolve around stories raised in the book, rather than a thread of book reviews, good or bad. Also it suggests he can't handle feedback, which I think he clearly can, he wasn't just offering counter arguments, he's given his thoughts on why he's written his book this way, he's not saying it's the definitive best way, but why it made sense for him to do so.

I thought your discussion with Foggy was much more constructive and could see why he wrote about NAPM the way he did, but also why you take issue with it given your experience. I thought that was a pretty fair back and forth.
 
basilrobbie3 said:
How does that song go?

"Always the victim....."

:)
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I'd have though you above anyone else would understand a thing or two about bullying, but of course, perhaps it feels better when you're on a different side of the fence.

That said, I'm not suggesting Phil is a victim... He's played his part (like many of us do) in escalating the discussion. I'm simply saying that the folk who are revelling in their collective ability to stick the boot in (as per usual) should reflect on the fact that this hasn't been one way traffic. There's plenty of people willing to stir the pot from the sidelines and those who are happy to simply use the opportunity (as it presents itself) to further their personal gripes with him.

As I've said, Robbie, Phils initial comments were inoffensive and nothing at all to write home about.... The difficulty we have on this forum at this time is that a number of opinions are considered to be taboo (this book being the latest to add to a growing list). Interestingly, I'm glad the book actually highlighted a few home truths about VB and his finances, because I was getting it in the neck only a short while ago for daring to break the taboo of being slightly critical of VB..
 
I thought this was going to be a good thread with civilised discussions about what happened during those times..........seems I was wrong.
 
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