I want to hear from Sadler before buying my season tickets

20togo said:
Phil deserves praise not criticism. As some-one who lives over 80 miles from the club it's a helluva commitment which he is making for both himself and his family. As does anyone else who comes a considerable distance to watch his hometown team play.
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Its 106 miles each way but thanks for your support 🙏
 
Philbfctrois said:
Its 106 miles each way but thanks for your support 🙏
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If you don't like what you see then you don't have to come do you?

Go and find a club that ticks all of your boxes that you can go and support.

Better yet, buy your own club, then you can run it exactly how you want and you can deliver a service to the fans exactly as you see fit.

Really can't believe that we have negative people, such as yourself that, after everything we went through with the oystons, are still not content that our club is being run now, very professionally, the way that it should be with its best interests and the best interests of fans, staff and the community at heart.
 
Directly from Sadlers' (as you refer to him) appraisal from last season "I don’t have the wherewithal to buy our way in to the next tier so we’ll have to earn it. To do that we’ll need to rely in the first instance on our coaching and recruitment and in time on our Academy."

I think that covers at least two of your questions.

If you take a look at some of the players we signed during the two transfer windows then I think our recruitment was very good and excellent value for money:

Grimshaw, Gabriel, Sterling, James, Keogh, Bowler, Connolly, Lavery, Wintle, Dale, Kirk, Casey, Carey, Beesley, Tharme. I'll include Tyreece John-Jules who was an expensive aberration and just goes to show even loan signings can be financially risky. Let's see how far his career progresses

To compete at Championship level we have to be shrewd and select players who are hungry and will respond to the coaching demands to fit into the way NC wants us to play. Your specific reference to Brannagan and the 200K shortfall. He is a League 1 player and has been for the last 5 seasons. Let's assume the release fee was 1.2M and we signed him on a 4 year contract at a conservative estimate on his salary of 8K per week (= 1.66M) so a total package for 1 player who has never played at Championship level = 2.86M. That is for one player who may or may not step up.

When you apply the same logic to established Championship players then you can probably double if not triple those figures. You have also got to take into account FFP rules which dictate how much we can spend so it's not quite as simplistic as saying "well just spend the extra 200k"
 
Seainsea said:
Directly from Sadlers' (as you refer to him) appraisal from last season "I don’t have the wherewithal to buy our way in to the next tier so we’ll have to earn it. To do that we’ll need to rely in the first instance on our coaching and recruitment and in time on our Academy."

I think that covers at least two of your questions.

If you take a look at some of the players we signed during the two transfer windows then I think our recruitment was very good and excellent value for money:

Grimshaw, Gabriel, Sterling, James, Keogh, Bowler, Connolly, Lavery, Wintle, Dale, Kirk, Casey, Carey, Beesley, Tharme. I'll include Tyreece John-Jules who was an expensive aberration and just goes to show even loan signings can be financially risky. Let's see how far his career progresses

To compete at Championship level we have to be shrewd and select players who are hungry and will respond to the coaching demands to fit into the way NC wants us to play. Your specific reference to Brannagan and the 200K shortfall. He is a League 1 player and has been for the last 5 seasons. Let's assume the release fee was 1.2M and we signed him on a 4 year contract at a conservative estimate on his salary of 8K per week (= 1.66M) so a total package for 1 player who has never played at Championship level = 2.86M. That is for one player who may or may not step up.

When you apply the same logic to established Championship players then you can probably double if not triple those figures. You have also got to take into account FFP rules which dictate how much we can spend so it's not quite as simplistic as saying "well just spend the extra 200k"
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That's the thing, if you go off the demands being made on here, we'd be giving away Season Tickets for next to fuck all (thereby reducing our revenue) and then blowing the budget on a single player, before sacking managers every five minutes because they can't compete for the Play Off's, whilst playing attractive, entertaining attacking football against sides that are outspending us by multiples of 20 in our first season at Championship Level.
 
Some of those questions can’t be answered, and some of them shouldn’t be. No owner is going to openly disclose why they didn’t pay x for player y. And they certainly wouldn’t, and shouldn’t, say if they are going to sell the best players. You can’t possibly expect an answer to that I’m afraid. In fact I am 50/50 on if the whole post is a wind up…

I respect how far you travel but I and many others have travelled much further some seasons and never felt entitled to the answers you seek.

Simon Sadler has given plenty of statements on where he wants the club to head. We’ve seen promotion followed by a solid placing in our first Championship season. I’ll gladly renew my ST on that proven record and what he has already said regarding the future of BFC. The rest is between him and the manager.

I genuinely think you would do best not to buy an ST if you have so many concerns about the ownership and management. Better that than spending money you are setting yourself up to resent. There’ll almost always be pay per game tickets so I’d take that route in your shoes.
 
Tangojack said:
How big is the chip on your shoulder? Jesus Christ...

When have you even known and club to come out and give that many answers to extremely specific questions? 🤣

I for one am 100% glad you won't be buying a season ticket, because you certainly aren't going to get your answers.

How the hell you aren't tired of being an absolute A grade plant pot, I will never know...
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The next thing I want to hear from Simon Sadler is either it’s all systems go on the training front or a new east stand.
 
We will know the schedule for the new East when the Clowncil buy up Henry St and start demolishing the houses. It will be two years from then to completion. So it’s crucial we must stay in the Championship until then and build support after. As we depend upon the Clowncil for that it’s the TG that should take priority, as that’s in our own hands.
 
WIZARD OF TANGERINE said:
Some of the questions on this post are ridiculous . So I will answer some of them . We have no ambition ,therefore we will settle for the players we have got . We didn't think that Branagan was worth the money . We will not sell our best players even if we are offered silly amounts{ who says who the best players are, the coaches or the fans who think they know}. Our manager is one of the most qualified in Europe ,but I am sure he will change his tactics to please you, and finally as long as the tickets are not too highly priced ,I think Blackpool have done enough this season to expect most fans to renew and possibly bring their friends.
OK some of my replies are quite silly ,but so are the questions . The only question Simon Sadler should be answering from this list is, what is happening with the training facilities. He has employed a manager to take charge of the other questions and it seems a good one.
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Hazi said:
Upwards is where we're going. Can you not see that? a couple of years post being in receivership we have completely overhauled the club from top to bottom, SS stumping up 4.5 mill of his hard earned during covid, we have been promoted in that time to a top league full of big spending clubs and held our own comfortably. The likes of Josh will move on and the money re invested to strengthen the club as a whole. I have no doubt be it 1,2 or 5 years we will reach the promised land again and when we do we will have 150 million re invested in the club.
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Are you getting a ST this year to help Simons cause.
 
An interesting thread. It's. pity that Hevster wasn't able to post until @158, as he skewered the OP beautifully.

Without going over old ground again, I'm mystified by all this stuff about "growing the fan base", as though the club was performing badly in that area. In fact, I think the average gate for this season may end up being among the top three or four we have had since we crashed out of Division 2 - 44 years ago. And isn't occupancy of home areas running at something above 70% ? That is pretty good, all things considered.

I have listened carefully to what SS and BM have said, and it is clear to me that :

1. We do not have the wherewithal or inclination to try and outspend our competitors

2. We will however try to outperform them wherever we can....

3. ..... specifically in terms of coaching, targeted recruitment and maximising the cash value of playing assets that arises from the first two

In the light of which the refusal to be coaxed into overspending against our own value of players makes perfect sense.

It's all very well talking about ambition. But long term ambition is not about eye-catching spending - it is about establishing a solid infrastructure, following good principles and having the self-discipline to stick to the business model you have chosen when it is yielding results (which is self evidently is).

For all the talk about wanting the club to progress, the OP actually means he wants the club to travel as far as Simon Sadler's money will take it. Which we will no doubt get our annual reminder about when he is bitching about ticket prices in the next week or two.
 
basilrobbie3 said:
An interesting thread. It's. pity that Hevster wasn't able to post until @158, as he skewered the OP beautifully.

Without going over old ground again, I'm mystified by all this stuff about "growing the fan base", as though the club was performing badly in that area. In fact, I think the average gate for this season may end up being among the top three or four we have had since we crashed out of Division 2 - 44 years ago. And isn't occupancy of home areas running at something above 70% ? That is pretty good, all things considered.

I have listened carefully to what SS and BM have said, and it is clear to me that :

1. We do not have the wherewithal or inclination to try and outspend our competitors

2. We will however try to outperform them wherever we can....

3. ..... specifically in terms of coaching, targeted recruitment and maximising the cash value of playing assets that arises from the first two

In the light of which the refusal to be coaxed into overspending against our own value of players makes perfect sense.

It's all very well talking about ambition. But long term ambition is not about eye-catching spending - it is about establishing a solid infrastructure, following good principles and having the self-discipline to stick to the business model you have chosen when it is yielding results (which is self evidently is).

For all the talk about wanting the club to progress, the OP actually means he wants the club to travel as far as Simon Sadler's money will take it. Which we will no doubt get our annual reminder about when he is bitching about ticket prices in the next week or two.
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To be honest your opinion means fuck all as you supported the Oystons for years against fellow fans

I haven't even read the bollux you posted
 
basilrobbie3 said:
It clearly means something, Philip. And how do you know it is bollocks, if you haven't read it?
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Its obvious!! You post to join a witch hunt

You will never change and i will never ever forgive or forget your comments towards fellow fans when some of us were protesting to save our great club
 
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There are numerous examples of clubs saying all the right things pre-season (maybe coinciding with season ticket sales 🤔), but failing to live up to them. Luckily our club is run with more integrity than that.....
 
If SS comes out and says "we want to win promotion to the PL" which is actually what football is about - it will either be seen as trying to sell ST's or fantasy.

I think the question should be

"has your opinion and approach changed from last year?" that's it; tell us what has changed if anything - if not - there's literally nothing to say what hasn't been shared already

The big question remains the development of the TG and the East.
 
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basilrobbie3 said:
An interesting thread. It's. pity that Hevster wasn't able to post until @158, as he skewered the OP beautifully.

Without going over old ground again, I'm mystified by all this stuff about "growing the fan base", as though the club was performing badly in that area. In fact, I think the average gate for this season may end up being among the top three or four we have had since we crashed out of Division 2 - 44 years ago. And isn't occupancy of home areas running at something above 70% ? That is pretty good, all things considered.

I have listened carefully to what SS and BM have said, and it is clear to me that :

1. We do not have the wherewithal or inclination to try and outspend our competitors

2. We will however try to outperform them wherever we can....

3. ..... specifically in terms of coaching, targeted recruitment and maximising the cash value of playing assets that arises from the first two

In the light of which the refusal to be coaxed into overspending against our own value of players makes perfect sense.

It's all very well talking about ambition. But long term ambition is not about eye-catching spending - it is about establishing a solid infrastructure, following good principles and having the self-discipline to stick to the business model you have chosen when it is yielding results (which is self evidently is).

For all the talk about wanting the club to progress, the OP actually means he wants the club to travel as far as Simon Sadler's money will take it. Which we will no doubt get our annual reminder about when he is bitching about ticket prices in the next week or two.
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Just on the fanbase part, we can and should still by trying to attract more fans. I dont think anyone is saying its bad, just always room to grow.

We seem to have grown as the season went on, also seem to have adapted more and used for eg part of the SE corner.

Instead of seeing mostly 10k home fans we want to see 11k.

Still much more can be done even in the current limited stadium.

I think sustained relative success, running a professional club and continuing to compete and have good results will help us grow more and undo years of neglect.

As well as the atmospheres attracting more youngsters when they get to witness it and be a part of it.

Covid was still relatively fresh and played a part in the first half of the season, hopefully thats died down even more now, but we also now have the cost of living crisis.

So it'll be interesting what the club decide to do price wise.

On phills other thread there were a range of good ideas and points about things we can do.

We still don't know, because we haven't really tried, how much a lesser price affects the gate. We haven't had any big cup games for eg to help get casuals attending, but obviously that depends on the team progressing in th Cups, which we never do. We missed out due to covid on the sellout playoff game and the Wembley 30k. So I'd like to see a full house cheap friendly game against a decent team, rather than the high price we saw this season that got cancelled.

I'm a fan of the lower price higher attendance model than can actually generate similar cash and then you get better support and maybe success too.

So if I was the owner or on the board I'd always be looking to grow the fanbase further.
 
basilrobbie3 said:
Remind me when the first protest was?
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Don't think I've ever seen you at any even protest even going back as far as the Claughton Hall one back in the day if you want to go that far back

What i do remember however is how you used to moderate this site to push you own agenda and how you used to criticise fellow fans for daring to stand up to the Oystons

You might think you have reinvented yourself with your work with BST and the FSA but you haven't

You went against fellow Blackpool fans who were trying to effect change and now you post as some sort of freedom fighter to rid the game of poor owners

You have no shame .....
 
JJpool said:
but we also now have the cost of living crisis.
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Good point that…I imagine that season ticket numbers will be down as families adopt more of a fewer games to save money stance. Massive Energy bills direct debits increases are one thing but mortgage rates are also going up quickly and these days they effect credit card rates aswell as mortgages so a double whammy for those that rely on credit to get by. I think it’s going to be a tough time for the entertainment industry as cut backs happen…Netflix already suffering.
 
clappers said:
Good point that…I imagine that season ticket numbers will be down as families adopt more of a fewer games to save money stance. Massive Energy bills direct debits increases are one thing but mortgage rates are also going up quickly and these days they effect credit card rates aswell as mortgages so a double whammy for those that rely on credit to get by. I think it’s going to be a tough time for the entertainment industry as cut backs happen…Netflix already suffering.
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Another key reason why I'm hoping the club sets pricing sensibly and provides fans with opportunities to pay over time. This year is going to be hard for many of our core fan base including the young who are typically on lower pay.
 
Two cats, both long-loving Blackpool FC supporters and long-time season ticket holders, had a swimming race.

One was called "One two three" and t'other one was called "Un deux trois" ... which cat won?






"One two three" because "Un deux trois" cat sank, believe it or not ...😊

🧡
 
Philbfctrois said:
Don't think I've ever seen you at any even protest even going back as far as the Claughton Hall one back in the day if you want to go that far back

What i do remember however is how you used to moderate this site to push you own agenda and how you used to criticise fellow fans for daring to stand up to the Oystons

You might think you have reinvented yourself with your work with BST and the FSA but you haven't

You went against fellow Blackpool fans who were trying to effect change and now you post as some sort of freedom fighter to rid the game of poor owners

You have no shame .....

You are a **
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I don't think I saw you at any protests either, apart from your impromptu walkabout at the Derby game. Doesn't mean you weren't there. At the London one I got in and managed to speak to Sean Harvey.

There was a lot more to it than protesting though, and I am over seven years into my time working with BST now. And while you might knock my efforts as a moderator, I am pretty sure that the way we did it back then stopped quite a few people from being sued. We all have our version of history, you know, and plenty of people know what I have (or haven't) done. You should talk to one or two of them, they are supposed to be friends of yours. :)

As for being a freedom fighter - that's your label, not mine. I'm just trying to do my bit to help improve a sport that all of us love. It's not a crusade, just an honest attempt to do something worthwhile. Why it makes you so upset I'm not sure.
 
clappers said:
Good point that…I imagine that season ticket numbers will be down as families adopt more of a fewer games to save money stance. Massive Energy bills direct debits increases are one thing but mortgage rates are also going up quickly and these days they effect credit card rates aswell as mortgages so a double whammy for those that rely on credit to get by. I think it’s going to be a tough time for the entertainment industry as cut backs happen…Netflix already suffering.
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Not sure all other clubs are down, but maybe they have been proactive or lowered the price, all depends on the price. Some on the day sales may lessen as its often those who can't afford a ST who will be hit more.

I still think we can grow even in this climate, with decent pricing and spread payments and make similar money.
 
It's a 200 mile round trip every home game for me it's a big commitment but I'll be renewing again as I have done ever since the the scum departed. I don't need Sadler to come out and say anything as we all pretty much know what he'll say we can see the club is heading in the right direction and doing it sensibly lets all pull together put your money in if you can afford it at least you know every penny will be reinvested wisely.
 
tangerinetomo said:
It's a 200 mile round trip every home game for me it's a big commitment but I'll be renewing again as I have done ever since the the scum departed. I don't need Sadler to come out and say anything as we all pretty much know what he'll say we can see the club is heading in the right direction and doing it sensibly lets all pull together put your money in if you can afford it at least you know every penny will be reinvested wisely.
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Exactly. If you want Blackpool to do well you need the home numbers and atmosphere to keep going at current levels or better. So If ask “What has the club done wrong/omitted to do to warrant consideration of not backing it with a purchase?”

On season tickets…Those that can, should! End of story.
 
basilrobbie3 said:
I don't think I saw you at any protests either, apart from your impromptu walkabout at the Derby game. Doesn't mean you weren't there. At the London one I got in and managed to speak to Sean Harvey.

There was a lot more to it than protesting though, and I am over seven years into my time working with BST now. And while you might knock my efforts as a moderator, I am pretty sure that the way we did it back then stopped quite a few people from being sued. We all have our version of history, you know, and plenty of people know what I have (or haven't) done. You should talk to one or two of them, they are supposed to be friends of yours. :)

As for being a freedom fighter - that's your label, not mine. I'm just trying to do my bit to help improve a sport that all of us love. It's not a crusade, just an honest attempt to do something worthwhile. Why it makes you so upset I'm not sure.
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It was a strategic decision by your predecessor as BST secretary to entice you into the fold by offering you a position in administering the BST election process (as a neutral). Prior to that you had no interest and certainly didn't attend protests.
 
Larryknows said:
Course I have so we need to get better at it not just abandon it or say it doesn't work but it goes back to this being a work in progress and a squad being built.
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"work in progress" 😂

how long do you reckon it could take to stop the HOOF?

I would start by making it illegal to pass back from the opposition half, see how we go for a couple of games then take it from there ...... 😉
 
Loco said:
It was a strategic decision by your predecessor as BST secretary to entice you into the fold by offering you a position in administering the BST election process (as a neutral). Prior to that you had no interest and certainly didn't attend protests.
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"Enticed". Makes me sound like a mouse following crumbs of special governance cheese.
 
Whats the aim for next season, whats the ambition? Obviously to improve on this season and push for promotion

Are we going to have a go in the transfer market? He wont say this as it drives prices up when negotiating

Why didn't we pay the value set for Brannagan? He wont say this as it drives prices up when negotiating

Are we going to be selling our best players? If we do sell our best players i.e Bowler we want the best price possible to re-invest. Communicating to our fans and everyone else that we are selling will not help get the best price for him.

How are you going to build the fanbase?

What's happening with the training ground?

Is the manager going to play a more attractive style of football? He will need better players to do this and still get results. It will depend if we are able to sign some quality to be more expansive and on the front foot.

In my view fanbase (season tickets) and training ground are the only 2 questions that need communicating back to us as fans.
 
The most attractive football is WINNING football.

If we had won the league playing hoof ball, very very few would complain.

Ps I am not saying hoof ball would win the league.
 
Johnno said:
Phil didn’t ask for a private phone call, he wants communication, and to be fair, there’s a few questions on his list that we should expect to be answered.
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I guess Phil, and everyone else, will be communicated with when there is something to communicate.
 

I think this addresses some of the questions raised.

Only months ago and still applies to our situation.

Gives an idea about strategy etc.

My only issue with this and I understand its a bst meeting, is if lee wasn't there, no one would see this really.

Now yes a bst event but if they can answer questions like this and give updates to a few, why not do for eg the structured dialogue meetings online on their own YouTube, available to all fans.

Whilst info in this is still relevant it would be good to get another update more relevant, even just months down the line and again, no reason the club can't stream more things like this via their own channel or if they don't want to, indeed get lee to do it again
 
JJpool said:

I think this addresses some of the questions raised.

Only months ago and still applies to our situation.

Gives an idea about strategy etc.

My only issue with this and I understand its a bst meeting, is if lee wasn't there, no one would see this really.

Now yes a bst event but if they can answer questions like this and give updates to a few, why not do for eg the structured dialogue meetings online on their own YouTube, available to all fans.

Whilst info in this is still relevant it would be good to get another update more relevant, even just months down the line and again, no reason the club can't stream more things like this via their own channel or if they don't want to, indeed get lee to do it again
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JJ

The club have been repeatedly asked by all the supporter groups to live stream and / or record these meetings, and they will not budge on it.
 
basilrobbie3 said:
JJ

The club have been repeatedly asked by all the supporter groups to live stream and / or record these meetings, and they will not budge on it.
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It's a weird one, as watching the video above I find it quite uplifting to actually hear the passion and the goals, not just read a line on a page that can sometimes be slightly misinterpreted.

Even if the meeting is controlled and the questions known, it's still good to hear and see.

The more positive media they put out it could even reach supporters who haven't attended much or at all and they see it and think, you know what I didn't realise how professional it it now, haven't been in years I'll go back. We have 16.5k subscribers on YouTube, 142k 'likes' on Facebook, which should mean everyone will see bfc posts.

I see no harm in putting our this positive kind of message and updating people on the future. Odd.
 
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