seasideone
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I suppose the real question is, how many offences and how many convicted?
I have a funny feeling it will be a huge difference.
Iran attacks Israel.
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I have a funny feeling it will be a huge difference.
Lost Seasider
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Surprising.
A USN 16"/50 gun off an Iowa class battleship has a range only marginally greater than that, and that's against a surface target, and I promise you that nobody has anything close to that size in service these days.
I'd be interested to know what system you are thinking of that has capabilities far beyond anything I've ever heard of.
I have, I can't find anything close to what you're suggesting.
Re: planes, they have limited ammunition, and for that matter limited endurance, they can get some, but I have a hard time imagining they'll get into double-digit numbers, so against 1,000+ drones, a bit of a problem.
Also, I'm not aware of any reports of drones being engaged by aircraft gunfire during the attack, so I'll go with what the RAF/USAF/IAF did in practice, rather than what you think they should have done.
Incorrectly, IMO, and without links to sources, or indeed details of the weapons platforms that you are referring to.
This is an area of interest to me, it is unlikely that I am wrong.
Loco
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From the tone of your post.
Lost Seasider
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Can you spot the link between the two points?
Because the Iron Dome system is short ranged and can be overwhelmed, they have to use more expensive air launched, or longer ranged ground launched missiles to compensate, so that pushes up the cost substantially.
So, a Patriot is $4m, an AMRAAM is $1m, a shot from the Iron Dome is $125k, so you could spend anywhere between $62.5m - $2bn depending upon the mix, and with the limitations of the ID system, my guess is that $1bn is a reasonable estimate for the overall cost of the operation.
Lost Seasider
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It means they can strike back without being too concerned about what Russia/China think about it, and bearing in mind that Iran is the main aggressor here, that may not be a bad thing.
Loco
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Wow. You're a warmongering lot on here.
seasideone
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It is unlikely you are wrong
Let’s start…
You had no idea how many BMs were fired
You had no idea how many BMs were shot down
You were quoting prices for missiles to bring stuff down that were laughable initially (again no idea of reality - in fairness I don’t know what they cost - but I didn’t quote it)
You really have no idea of the Israel defence capability
You need to look up laser guided cannons that can be fired 30ish km plus with high accuracy.
Put bluntly your initial responses were so inaccurate I cannot be bothered, now you have found Google and still talking, well….
Enjoy posting next, as no doubt it’s your vinegar stroke
I am out of here - when you post next everyone knows what you are doing and thinking
Enjoy your moment!l - UTMP always
Lost Seasider
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And the Iranians aren't?
Lost Seasider
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Still no link to these magical weapon systems that you think can shoot down drones at 30p a pop.It is unlikely you are wrong
Let’s start…
You had no idea how many BMs were fired
You had no idea how many BMs were shot down
You were quoting prices for missiles to bring stuff down that were laughable initially (again no idea of reality - in fairness I don’t know what they cost - but I didn’t quote it)
You really have no idea of the Israel defence capability
You need to look up laser guided cannons that can be fired 30ish km plus with high accuracy.
Put bluntly your initial responses were so inaccurate I cannot be bothered, now you have found Google and still talking, well….
Enjoy posting next, as no doubt it’s your vinegar stroke
I am out of here - when you post next everyone knows what you are doing and thinking
Enjoy your moment!l - UTMP always
You have literally no idea what you are talking about.
Loco
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Feel free to join them.
Lost Seasider
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@seasideone
Ex army officer making much the same points as me: Suicide drones threaten to bankrupt Western militaries
The most dramatic attack to date using Iranian drones came, of course, this weekend. Repelling that bombardment is estimated to have cost up to 1.5 billion dollars, a significant amount of which must have been expended on downing the drones.
Some of the missiles that have been used to intercept these drones can cost upwards of a million dollars a shot and sometimes much more. In broad terms, the earlier on the flight path they can be knocked out of the sky, the better the chances of preventing them from hitting the target, but the higher the price tag.
Until technology can be developed to dramatically reduce the disproportionate cost of neutralising drones, air defence systems can still only be seen as a partial response.
But of course you know better.
Ex army officer making much the same points as me: Suicide drones threaten to bankrupt Western militaries
The most dramatic attack to date using Iranian drones came, of course, this weekend. Repelling that bombardment is estimated to have cost up to 1.5 billion dollars, a significant amount of which must have been expended on downing the drones.
Some of the missiles that have been used to intercept these drones can cost upwards of a million dollars a shot and sometimes much more. In broad terms, the earlier on the flight path they can be knocked out of the sky, the better the chances of preventing them from hitting the target, but the higher the price tag.
Until technology can be developed to dramatically reduce the disproportionate cost of neutralising drones, air defence systems can still only be seen as a partial response.
But of course you know better.
1966_and_all_that
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Tell That to Slobodan Milošević, who died in prison before his trial ended, and Radovan Karadžić, Ratko Mladić, and Slobodan Praljak, all of whom were convicted of war crimes.
Lost Seasider
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Let me know if you ever visit the real world.
Jaffa_The_Hut
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Same war as I’ve already mentioned earlier.
Can you name any more convicted of war crimes other than from the Bosnian/Serb war?
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Lost Seasider
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Herman Goering, and quite a few of the others in the senior NAZI leadership, although this was some time ago.
Personally, I think Karl Doenitz should've been exonerated, and the tribunal seems to mostly have agreed.
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Jaffa_The_Hut
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And even Goering never got to face the hangman.
Lost Seasider
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Through his own hand.
Jaffa_The_Hut
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Breaking news this morning is it looks like Israel has overnight attacked a nuclear plant in Iran with a missile arrack. 
That news is from the Americans the Iranians have said all the missile fired were brought down.
That news is from the Americans the Iranians have said all the missile fired were brought down.
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Wizaard
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We can't afford to repair schools or staff the NHS.
Lost Seasider
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Opportunity wasted IMO.