Is big brother poisoning us? Longish post.

Curryman

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When I was involved in the teaching of Health and Safety, one of the courses I ran included a large chunk of the four days on Industrial Injuries and diseases, their history, prevention, and control measures. Obviously, I had to read up quite considerably on what, how, when, and where these occurred, and have been interested somewhat since retiring, in the subject.

I taught about such things as Silicosis, which I found out the Ancient Greeks knew about, Asbestosis, which was first mentioned in the diaries of Pliny the Elder, a Roman who died in Herculaneum, AD 79, and was suspected to be hazardous from the late 19th/early 20th century but was suppressed by Insurers and manufacturers alike. Lead Poisoning, which my father had suffered from in the 1920s due to his apprenticeship to a painter and his daily chore of cleaning out the paint pots, paint in those days contained lead. There are many others, including the famous Phossy jaw, which affected the matchmaking girls in the 19th Century, and Byssinosis which I’m now convinced my Grandmother had, having worked in the Mills in Bolton for many years, She thought it was Asthma, as we all did at the time.

I’m currently reading a book about the cases of a number of young women in the USA, clock dial painters, who were, at first unwittingly, given the job of manually adding Radon paint to clock faces in order to make them glow in the dark. I say, at first unwittingly, because as the company became aware of the hazards, they purposely hid the information from their staff, a lot of whom died horrifically, and in most cases slow, excruciating deaths due to Radon Sickness.

I also watched a film, ‘Dark Waters’, some years ago about DuPont, who for decades brazenly concealed the lethal dangers of exposure to a chemical used in the making of Teflon, its ‘miracle’ anti-stick coating, even as it poured vast amounts of the substance into America’s waterways. They were certainly aware, as were quietly sending staff out into surrounding areas carrying plastic jugs to collect water samples and didn’t alert local people when they found traces of PFOA in levels that well exceeded its own safety guidelines as well as denying any problems that were alleged to come from the chemical PFOA.

The one thing that sticks out in most of my research is the knowledge that the people in power of the corporations had about the dangers to workers and others, of their products and their willingness as well as compliance in covering up the evidence in favour of profit.

I had read a study paper on Teflon some years before which warned about Teflon and the seepage of PFOA into the environment, and I used to warn my classes to watch for developments in this area. You may be interested to know that it is estimated that around 90% of the population of the world has traces of PFOA in their bodies. In the early 2000s, several studies were published suggesting that PFOA exposure leads to long-term health risks including possible links to testicular, kidney, thyroid, prostate, bladder, and ovarian cancer.

This brings me to the point I want to make. We will no doubt all have Teflon Coated cookware in our houses. Please check it. If it is at all damaged, it is more likely to be leaching into your food, throw it out, I have removed all of ours from our kitchen. Modern Teflon does not contain the PFOA but has Gen X & PFBS, alleged to be safer to use and acceptable for human health (we’ll see), and some coating is now ceramic.
 
Wonder if Thornton has an issue with this in the environment, there'll be a few on here who remember the Fluon plant. The Plant Manager was a family friend in the 70's
 
Dunno but I used superglue to fill a tiny chip on my tooth and it is still filling the gap months later.😁
 
If you're worried about Teflon leaking in to your food and therefor your body then where do you drawthe line?

Had too much red meat/ wine/ cigs/ live near a phone mast/ high salt diet/ low iron diet/ unsure if all your furniture is fire proof to alleged fire proof regulations/ haven't had an eye test this year and are a driver...

Point is, you can worry too much. Stress will kill you on average well before Teflon will if that's what you're worrying about you'll worry about everything.
 
When I was involved in the teaching of Health and Safety, one of the courses I ran included a large chunk of the four days on Industrial Injuries and diseases, their history, prevention, and control measures. Obviously, I had to read up quite considerably on what, how, when, and where these occurred, and have been interested somewhat since retiring, in the subject.

I taught about such things as Silicosis, which I found out the Ancient Greeks knew about, Asbestosis, which was first mentioned in the diaries of Pliny the Elder, a Roman who died in Herculaneum, AD 79, and was suspected to be hazardous from the late 19th/early 20th century but was suppressed by Insurers and manufacturers alike. Lead Poisoning, which my father had suffered from in the 1920s due to his apprenticeship to a painter and his daily chore of cleaning out the paint pots, paint in those days contained lead. There are many others, including the famous Phossy jaw, which affected the matchmaking girls in the 19th Century, and Byssinosis which I’m now convinced my Grandmother had, having worked in the Mills in Bolton for many years, She thought it was Asthma, as we all did at the time.

I’m currently reading a book about the cases of a number of young women in the USA, clock dial painters, who were, at first unwittingly, given the job of manually adding Radon paint to clock faces in order to make them glow in the dark. I say, at first unwittingly, because as the company became aware of the hazards, they purposely hid the information from their staff, a lot of whom died horrifically, and in most cases slow, excruciating deaths due to Radon Sickness.

I also watched a film, ‘Dark Waters’, some years ago about DuPont, who for decades brazenly concealed the lethal dangers of exposure to a chemical used in the making of Teflon, its ‘miracle’ anti-stick coating, even as it poured vast amounts of the substance into America’s waterways. They were certainly aware, as were quietly sending staff out into surrounding areas carrying plastic jugs to collect water samples and didn’t alert local people when they found traces of PFOA in levels that well exceeded its own safety guidelines as well as denying any problems that were alleged to come from the chemical PFOA.

The one thing that sticks out in most of my research is the knowledge that the people in power of the corporations had about the dangers to workers and others, of their products and their willingness as well as compliance in covering up the evidence in favour of profit.

I had read a study paper on Teflon some years before which warned about Teflon and the seepage of PFOA into the environment, and I used to warn my classes to watch for developments in this area. You may be interested to know that it is estimated that around 90% of the population of the world has traces of PFOA in their bodies. In the early 2000s, several studies were published suggesting that PFOA exposure leads to long-term health risks including possible links to testicular, kidney, thyroid, prostate, bladder, and ovarian cancer.

This brings me to the point I want to make. We will no doubt all have Teflon Coated cookware in our houses. Please check it. If it is at all damaged, it is more likely to be leaching into your food, throw it out, I have removed all of ours from our kitchen. Modern Teflon does not contain the PFOA but has Gen X & PFBS, alleged to be safer to use and acceptable for human health (we’ll see), and some coating is now ceramic.
I don't suppose there's any point asking the Mods to put a sticky on this. 😉
 
If you are a smoker and using PTFE tape, don’t throw bits of tape in the ashtray. If a piece of tape attaches to the end of a cig and burns as you smoke it, all those really nasty fluorine radicals are going straight into your lungs.
 
I appreciate your O/P CM and it’s well written
I also know i do bleat on here about it a lot as I’m passionate about mens health, but you guys have also got to think a little bit more about your weight and the damage it’s doing to you all.

I know it’s hard as food and beer taste great but so many men over 40 are in bodies 20 years older than they should be just due to weight. Something that you can actually control. That’s fine until you’re 60s onwards and struggling to walk or enjoy life. Just be a little bit more conscious and lay off mid week - leave it for a weekend treat.
 
The big companies have been poisoning us in one way or another for decades and we've been ignoring it. We haven't been doing ourselves any favours either.
 
The big companies have been poisoning us in one way or another for decades and we've been ignoring it. We haven't been doing ourselves any favours either.
Centuries would be more accurate.

One of the big issues for me with H&S is that policy makers create policy that is usually reactive (to individual incidents) and hence badly constructed, and individual H&S officers only enforce where they CAN enforce. What i mean by that is that individual officers will enforce largely petty regulations and policy and will ignore big health and safety issues because big corporations can get around whatever systems are in place or can pay for legal challenges or the regulatory framework literally ignores the big problems.

If what the OP meant by big brother is government then yes they are poisoning us, and degrading the environment and natural ecology and undermining human health in general in favour of (largely percieved) economic growth. H&S is almost entirely a focus on the mundane, removing tiny amounts of risk in areas where the risk is largely understood, but ignoring major issues.
 
CP said H&S is almost entirely a focus on the mundane, removing tiny amounts of risk in areas where the risk is largely understood, but ignoring major issues.

I'm sorry but that is a load of bollocks.
 
Almost everything you eat is poisonous.

The modern world is a series of man-made horrors forced upon humanity for the sake of capitalist profits.

Micro-plastics are now estimated to be present in the blood streams of 60% of humanity.

"The industrial revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race."
 
People are living longer than ever. Average Uk life span in 1900 was only 45.
Historical data for lifespans is massively distorted by infant and childhood mortality. Even in the middle ages, if you made it to 15, you were likely to make it into your 50s.

The prime driver of reduced infant mortality is access to sanitation and clean water as well as a secure food supply. That isn't a modern development in and of itself. See the Romans for example.

Officially the life expectancy in Ancient Rome was around 30 years old, yet the minimum age requirement to be a Quaestor was 30, a Consul was 43. Augustus Caesar lived to 75, Tiberius to 77 and those weren't seen as some superhuman feat of legerdemain. Cicero's wife lived to 103 years of age.
 
CP said H&S is almost entirely a focus on the mundane, removing tiny amounts of risk in areas where the risk is largely understood, but ignoring major issues.

I'm sorry but that is a load of bollocks.
It really isnt. even your original post points to areas where legislation on major health and safety issues are ignored or tolerated. Ill also add that most H&S advisory is designed to reduce the risk of legal action. Its a particular bug bear of mine, particularly where building is concerned, but ive witnessed the advisory process too many times. As an example my old office which was around 900 sqm for 50 or so staff, we had a H&S adviser go round and measure all the spaces between desks for compliance, but he completely ignored the fact that we only had one exit from the office, floor and building with no emergency exits.
 
Historical data for lifespans is massively distorted by infant and childhood mortality. Even in the middle ages, if you made it to 15, you were likely to make it into your 50s.

The prime driver of reduced infant mortality is access to sanitation and clean water as well as a secure food supply. That isn't a modern development in and of itself. See the Romans for example.

Officially the life expectancy in Ancient Rome was around 30 years old, yet the minimum age requirement to be a Quaestor was 30, a Consul was 43. Augustus Caesar lived to 75, Tiberius to 77 and those weren't seen as some superhuman feat of legerdemain. Cicero's wife lived to 103 years of age.
So what I just put £500 on Davepick getting to 201 and three quarters.🤣
 
It really isnt. even your original post points to areas where legislation on major health and safety issues are ignored or tolerated. Ill also add that most H&S advisory is designed to reduce the risk of legal action. Its a particular bug bear of mine, particularly where building is concerned, but ive witnessed the advisory process too many times. As an example my old office which was around 900 sqm for 50 or so staff, we had a H&S adviser go round and measure all the spaces between desks for compliance, but he completely ignored the fact that we only had one exit from the office, floor and building with no emergency exits.
Was he qualified? If so he certainly wasn't, by the sound of it, applying the regulations. There are too many, so called,advisors who are totally unqualified to carry out the work they are supposed to be employed to do, and it used to be a fairly regular problem when we had a new client and we gave them a list of improvements that had to be made. We always were given the same excuse, 'Well the last chap didn't tell us all this'.

As an example, I went to a Nursing Home which had three Floors,. It was a home for people with dementia and just one of the problems was , none of the windows had anything to prevent them from fully opening. 'Well the last chap didn't tell us that.' I very nearly came to blows with the owner because I'd frightened him to death with the number of faults I'd found that needed fixing.

Only OSHCR Registered Consultants should be used who will also be Charted Members of the Institute of Safety and Health as a minimum. Each 12 months they have to provide proof that they are capable of the work they do. I wouldn't touch a job in a business I knew little or nothing about.

To add, my original post refers to a lot of problems that existed prior to the Health & Safety at Work etc Act 1974.
 
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