Is there anything more frustrating

BFC_53

BFC_53

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Than the manager making his first sub immediately after we concede a goal when we're crying out for a change well before that? Happened today, happened at Wigan, I'm sure there are others. Always reactive, never proactive. Always hoping for a result, never forcing a result.

I think someone else hit the nail on the head - Appleton doesn't think much of BFC, and if the manager doesn't, he'll drain the belief and positivity out of everyone. When you see his reaction on the sidelines when we concede a goal, it's like he's watching as a neutral rather than someone who's job it affects and is ultimately responsible for the result.
He was obviously the key appointment that we needed to get right to compete in a league where we're financial minnows currently, and we got it badly wrong. Well, the fans didn't - we knew. The board got it wrong, and now it seems their pride won't allow them to admit it and rectify the situation.

I've previously said that the board also made a complete mess of the transfer dealings in the summer, and because of that Appleton has been dealt a bad hand. I still think that's true, but the cause of our problems is not one or the other, it's both. They didn't sign the players we needed, AND they didn't appoint the right manager either. A team on a run of nine games without a win doesn't leave one of the league's top scorers on the bench. MA said it's about fine margins - yes it is, and we're continually on the wrong side. What usually tips the balance in your favour are little in game tweaks reacting to the opposition, subs at the right time etc. That's why we're not getting those fine margins in our favour.

Thankfully, the board do appear to be putting the transfer business right in this window, but they also need to correct their other mistake. MA has no long term future at Blackpool, he will never be successful here and every day he stays is just prolonging the agony and doing more damage. I think he's a good character and probably a nice guy, but he just isn't a good manager, and worse than that, he's totally wrong for our football club. We need to bring in someone who actually believes that BFC belongs in the championship.
 
I think the truly worrying part about things is that Appleton is still picking the lineup just like when "he was dealt a poor hand" and had half the squad injured.

If he can't get results with or without being "backed" then nothing has changed and he needs to go.
 
BFC_53 said:
Than the manager making his first sub immediately after we concede a goal when we're crying out for a change well before that? Happened today, happened at Wigan, I'm sure there are others. Always reactive, never proactive. Always hoping for a result, never forcing a result.

I think someone else hit the nail on the head - Appleton doesn't think much of BFC, and if the manager doesn't, he'll drain the belief and positivity out of everyone. When you see his reaction on the sidelines when we concede a goal, it's like he's watching as a neutral rather than someone who's job it affects and is ultimately responsible for the result.
He was obviously the key appointment that we needed to get right to compete in a league where we're financial minnows currently, and we got it badly wrong. Well, the fans didn't - we knew. The board got it wrong, and now it seems their pride won't allow them to admit it and rectify the situation.

I've previously said that the board also made a complete mess of the transfer dealings in the summer, and because of that Appleton has been dealt a bad hand. I still think that's true, but the cause of our problems is not one or the other, it's both. They didn't sign the players we needed, AND they didn't appoint the right manager either. A team on a run of nine games without a win doesn't leave one of the league's top scorers on the bench. MA said it's about fine margins - yes it is, and we're continually on the wrong side. What usually tips the balance in your favour are little in game tweaks reacting to the opposition, subs at the right time etc. That's why we're not getting those fine margins in our favour.

Thankfully, the board do appear to be putting the transfer business right in this window, but they also need to correct their other mistake. MA has no long term future at Blackpool, he will never be successful here and every day he stays is just prolonging the agony and doing more damage. I think he's a good character and probably a nice guy, but he just isn't a good manager, and worse than that, he's totally wrong for our football club. We need to bring in someone who actually believes that BFC belongs in the championship.
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Excellent analysis. Nothing else really needs to be said.
 
Mark_GT said:
Be careful what you wish for mate, mistakes are being made but there are some SERIOUSLY bad owners out there, and Simon S is not one of them. Mistakes can still be rectified.
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Well he needs to learn quick, he needs to pot Mansford in as well and get someone decent in alongside him. I’m not saying he’s a bad owner but he is so naive and inexperienced.
 
dodgy_surname said:
And you have never been? I feel a lot safer than I did with the O’s last 10 years 🍊⚽️👍
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What do you mean “never been”?

No one’s saying we aren’t in a much better or safer place than when we had the Stains and Cartmell before that, maybe that’s why I’m so sceptical now
 
BFC_53 said:
Than the manager making his first sub immediately after we concede a goal when we're crying out for a change well before that? Happened today, happened at Wigan, I'm sure there are others. Always reactive, never proactive. Always hoping for a result, never forcing a result.

I think someone else hit the nail on the head - Appleton doesn't think much of BFC, and if the manager doesn't, he'll drain the belief and positivity out of everyone. When you see his reaction on the sidelines when we concede a goal, it's like he's watching as a neutral rather than someone who's job it affects and is ultimately responsible for the result.
He was obviously the key appointment that we needed to get right to compete in a league where we're financial minnows currently, and we got it badly wrong. Well, the fans didn't - we knew. The board got it wrong, and now it seems their pride won't allow them to admit it and rectify the situation.

I've previously said that the board also made a complete mess of the transfer dealings in the summer, and because of that Appleton has been dealt a bad hand. I still think that's true, but the cause of our problems is not one or the other, it's both. They didn't sign the players we needed, AND they didn't appoint the right manager either. A team on a run of nine games without a win doesn't leave one of the league's top scorers on the bench. MA said it's about fine margins - yes it is, and we're continually on the wrong side. What usually tips the balance in your favour are little in game tweaks reacting to the opposition, subs at the right time etc. That's why we're not getting those fine margins in our favour.

Thankfully, the board do appear to be putting the transfer business right in this window, but they also need to correct their other mistake. MA has no long term future at Blackpool, he will never be successful here and every day he stays is just prolonging the agony and doing more damage. I think he's a good character and probably a nice guy, but he just isn't a good manager, and worse than that, he's totally wrong for our football club. We need to bring in someone who actually believes that BFC belongs in the championship.
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Post of the year.👏👍
 
I could have absolutely lived with him making a defensive change or two yesterday, late on, and playing for a point. Or if we'd changed it up i.e bringing Yates on at 0-0 (who looked immediately dangerous when he did eventually come on) I'd have got behind that too.

He instead did nothing until they scored. The first goal was always going to win that game. Appleton lost at least a point due to his in-game management.
 
BFC_53 said:
I think someone else hit the nail on the head - Appleton doesn't think much of BFC, and if the manager doesn't, he'll drain the belief and positivity out of everyone.
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This is currently where we are at and it can’t be saved with 3/4 of the fanbase now.

I also think, that MA’s character, he’s even more pissed off with the fan reaction (as you would be to be fair) and the relationship isn’t fixable now. Doubling down? Call it what you want.

He’s fell out with Grimshaw so there’s no chance he’ll forget what the fans have been like.
 
It was too late but to be fare Jerry was stripped of waiting for a break in play to come on when they scored. It was NOT a reaction to them scoring
 
Adams Kebab said:
This is currently where we are at and it can’t be saved with 3/4 of the fanbase now.

I also think, that MA’s character, he’s even more pissed off with the fan reaction (as you would be to be fair) and the relationship isn’t fixable now. Doubling down? Call it what you want.

He’s fell out with Grimshaw so there’s no chance he’ll forget what the fans have been like.
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You are describing in inability to manage people. So it's time for him to go.
 
I wasn't at the game yesterday, for a couple of reasons, but as I said in a previous post yesterday I spent the afternoon in my car up a large hill in North Yorkshire where I froze my gonads off watching the snow fall whilst listening to the dulcet tones of Chissi and Little, who were pretty spot on with their reading of the game.

Why no substitutions were made before they scored I don't understand. Two excellent strikers sitting on the bench, both who have proved recently that they should be included, a winning team from the Forest game altered to bring in new signings who it seems were not up to speed. All wrong in my book.

Not only has he let the two strikers down, the club down, himself down and the team in general down, he appears to have had no regard for the brave 1300 fans who made the long trip in atrocious conditions.

I'm sorry to say this,but after backing him, then quivering about his management, this latest debacle has put me in the out camp.

New blood could still save us from relegation, I don't honestly think this man can.
 
hertfordseasider said:
Personally I hope Sadler has the club available for sale.
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I'm personally still very much supportive of his custodianship, however I don't think there can be any denying that some big mistakes have been made in the last 12 months. I think we have to weigh up the likelihood that we'll get someone better. After 30 years of Oyston ownership I'm very wary of new owners, and thankfully SS appears to genuinely have the best interests of BFC at heart. But he's not above criticism - we're all paying customers after all. When he appoints a manager for example, he's using our money too as much as his own.
 
DJ Dudley said:
It was too late but to be fare Jerry was stripped of waiting for a break in play to come on when they scored. It was NOT a reaction to them scoring
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Yes fair point, however I think the frustration comes from actually making the sub after we concede even if it isn't a reaction. Against Wigan it definitely was a reaction and caused a lot of anger in the crowd.
 
What struck me yesterday was how good Cathcart was. A player like him loves defending against physical players with no pace (madine). What he wouldn't like at his age is players with pace (lavery) or a striker who can link up with quick one twos (Yates). Who does Appleton decide to play against him? Madine!
 
I agree he gives the impression that BFC should be happy just to be in the championship and I don't know if he believes that or not but it comes across very badly.
I know how a team plays can be subject to opinion and what you may think is the best way but for me I'm more of a if we are going out then go out all guns blazing. I can't stand negative set ups simply because they just don't work over a course of a season. With the players we have we should be setting up to win against whoever we are playing. I don't want to try to contain someone else, I don't want to worry about someone else, let them worry about us. We are Blackpool and we are going to come and we are going to attack you and score goals. Obviously there is still a balance ie we still play that defensive midfielder but this little Blackpool sh1t pisses me off so much.
 
Altyseasider said:
What struck me yesterday was how good Cathcart was. A player like him loves defending against physical players with no pace (madine). What he wouldn't like at his age is players with pace (lavery) or a striker who can link up with quick one twos (Yates). Who does Appleton decide to play against him? Madine!
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Yeah,I thought Cathcart was good yesterday,he's had a good career since leaving us
 
Hopefully in a couple of months you’d like to think we can start to put some of these chances away , when the teams a bit fitter and sharper - quote from Appleton

Ffs in a
Couple of months we will already be relegated you clown 🤡
 
thefutureistangerine said:
I could have absolutely lived with him making a defensive change or two yesterday, late on, and playing for a point. Or if we'd changed it up i.e bringing Yates on at 0-0 (who looked immediately dangerous when he did eventually come on) I'd have got behind that too.

He instead did nothing until they scored. The first goal was always going to win that game. Appleton lost at least a point due to his in-game management.
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To be fair to Appleton, Yates had been waiting to come on for at least a couple of minutes before they scored. It wasn't a reaction to the goal per se.
 
Was in the give him a chance brigade as he was making good tactical changes at first that did make a difference That seems to have gone west.lately . However after the renewed optimism this week that starting line up was unforgivable and has left us all deflated .I am now for the first time in the he must go camp
 
thefutureistangerine said:
I could have absolutely lived with him making a defensive change or two yesterday, late on, and playing for a point. Or if we'd changed it up i.e bringing Yates on at 0-0 (who looked immediately dangerous when he did eventually come on) I'd have got behind that too.

He instead did nothing until they scored. The first goal was always going to win that game. Appleton lost at least a point due to his in-game management.
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No playing for a draw thanks, we're second from bottom, the odd point here or there means we're going down, we need wins.
 
Altyseasider said:
What struck me yesterday was how good Cathcart was. A player like him loves defending against physical players with no pace (madine). What he wouldn't like at his age is players with pace (lavery) or a striker who can link up with quick one twos (Yates). Who does Appleton decide to play against him? Madine!
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Good call. Cathcart won all his duel's against any of the Blackpool forwards .
 
O/P hits every nail on every head.

Anyone care to send it to Simon, because it’s not like Bullshït will do anything…
 
hertfordseasider said:
Well he needs to learn quick, he needs to pot Mansford in as well and get someone decent in alongside him. I’m not saying he’s a bad owner but he is so naive and inexperienced.
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All this kind of speculation is pure bollocks though, none of us really know what goes on behind the scenes or who is ultimately accountable for mistakes. There’s certainly been mistakes but they’ve been honest mistakes clearly in an attempt to achieve our goal of being an established Championship side. There has been investment, there has been a lot of work done into long term planning and infrastructure. It’s not worked out this season, but get real, from time to time we are going to have a bad season or two.

I don’t think you’ll find anybody with better intentions for the community than Sadler, and I don’t think you’ll find anybody with more money or even as much money as Sadler who would want to invest in a team with the limited growth potential that we have.

So I don’t know who else who you would want instead of him.
 
Someone needs to ask Appleton if we went for the win yesterday? Cos it sure didn't seem like it.
I was in the give him more time camp because I thought he came out after a game and told the truth and made subs a lot earlier than his predecessor.
But the team selection and then the dour performance has got me questioning whether he has lost it.
I really don't know who I want to replace him but I do know the next Blackpool manager HAS to identify with the fans and play the BLACKPOOL way..win,lose or draw.
He has to know how to set up the side and be aware that this is an entertainment industry and get the fans back in numbers.
 
BFC_53 said:
I'm personally still very much supportive of his custodianship, however I don't think there can be any denying that some big mistakes have been made in the last 12 months. I think we have to weigh up the likelihood that we'll get someone better. After 30 years of Oyston ownership I'm very wary of new owners, and thankfully SS appears to genuinely have the best interests of BFC at heart. But he's not above criticism - we're all paying customers after all. When he appoints a manager for example, he's using our money too as much as his own.
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Most of it is his though.
 
ste said:
I think the truly worrying part about things is that Appleton is still picking the lineup just like when "he was dealt a poor hand" and had half the squad injured.

If he can't get results with or without being "backed" then nothing has changed and he needs to go.
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Funnily enough I said when we started to get players in that I bet he still wouldn't play them. He clearly has favourites and a weird system in his head which has been proven not to work, Only one person I'd drop at the moment .. and that's him.
 
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