Is this the beginning of the end

Matesrates

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Of the United Kingdom? It looks like Sinn Fein are going to win in Northern Ireland and will no doubt push for a referendum on a united ireland. The SNP has strengthened its position in Scotland and clearly will want the same. How long before Wales jumps on the bandwagon.

I would guess the walls will start coming down before 2030. Do we care?

Then of course there’s all these far flung “colonies“ surely one by one they’ll be gone, leaving England, the best country in the world by far.
 
You'd have to have referendums in each country but take the Scotland example if you lose nothing changes and they'll keep banging the drum to leave.
Same would have happened with Brexit if remain had won Farage and his merry lot wouldn't have gone anywhere.

These referendums make the situation worse are divisive and take NI you could end up with them fighting with each other again,Scotland hasn't a clue on currency and are skint,Wales don't seem to want in anyway.

Who knows what the future holds but before anyone leaves they can pay back some of this Covid bill that the UK has amassed and not leave it all to England and us.
 
I have lived in England, Wales and currently Scotland. My brother spends part of his year in Spain. Splitting the UK makes as much sense to me as Brexit, civilisation should be about increasing choices and movements, not ever decreasing countries and choices. Nationalism is fine when inclusive, but our voting system tends towards intolerance, us and them.
 
I have lived in England, Wales and currently Scotland. My brother spends part of his year in Spain. Splitting the UK makes as much sense to me as Brexit, civilisation should be about increasing choices and movements, not ever decreasing countries and choices. Nationalism is fine when inclusive, but our voting system tends towards intolerance, us and them.
Fed by the parties that benefit from divisiveness
 
Of the United Kingdom? It looks like Sinn Fein are going to win in Northern Ireland and will no doubt push for a referendum on a united ireland. The SNP has strengthened its position in Scotland and clearly will want the same. How long before Wales jumps on the bandwagon.

I would guess the walls will start coming down before 2030. Do we care?

Then of course there’s all these far flung “colonies“ surely one by one they’ll be gone, leaving England, the best country in the world by far.
Just to be pedantic NI would be leaving the United Kingdom not England. the colonies also would be extracting themselves from Britain not England.
 
How long do you think it would take Scotland to bankrupt themselves and end up with a Russian/Chinese military base on their soil?
Not very likely at all. Scotland would i think ally itself quickly with the Nordic countries with which it has more natural affinities both political and social.
 
Of the United Kingdom? It looks like Sinn Fein are going to win in Northern Ireland and will no doubt push for a referendum on a united ireland. The SNP has strengthened its position in Scotland and clearly will want the same. How long before Wales jumps on the bandwagon.

I would guess the walls will start coming down before 2030. Do we care?

Then of course there’s all these far flung “colonies“ surely one by one they’ll be gone, leaving England, the best country in the world by far.
Hoping against anything Sinn Fein they’re scum

A United ireland will lead to bloodshed unfortunately & Republic struggling to afford 26 counties
 
If England ends up going it alone how would the rest of the country do outside of the home counties?
My guess is not too well, embarrassing that so many northerners now vote Tory when the people they vote for don't see anywhere outside of a specific area of South East England as home!
 
I'm all for self determination.

If majority of those who live in the other countries of the UK want to separate; let them.

As long as we share the assets and liabilities - I see no issue.
 
If Northern Ireland and Scotland do eventually leave, we'll be stuck with a built-in Tory majority for evermore.

A nightmare scenario.
 
I'm off to Belfast a week tomorrow, and I'll be spending the first 3 days cycling across N.Ireland ,before heading into the Republic and doing the Co. Mayo, Connemara and Galway regions, before heading back towards Belfast for the overnight boat home. I could be away almost a month. Tbh although I come from a non-conformist Protestant background(Wesleyan/Methodist) of around 200 years I've absolutely NO TIME whatsoever for the so-called 'Loyalist' sectarian bigots in the Province, or far Right Wing trash like the DUP. Although I hated the IRA(and still do) it was the totally unjust 2nd class citizen status afforded to Catholics there that helped stoke the fires, and trouble. I've been to Belfast on a number of occasions now and it shocked me seeing the amount of Union Jack's on lampposts and the triumphalism displayed...they can't seem to resist rubbing it in and provoking the large Nationalist/Catholic population there! 😏. You still see armoured police Land Rover's on the streets there too! I'd seen stuff on the news and in newspapers, but it still doesn't fully prepare you! It's a beautiful but bizarre place...like a bit of white South Africa, pre Mandela, transplanted into the UK! Although yesterday's result wasn't unexpected I smiled...it's now time for the DUP to grow up, stop acting like classroom bullies, babies, and throwing their toy's out of the pram because they can't get their way. Swallow their pride and help form a working coalition government there...the place desperately needs stable government! At the end of the day it's hardly the bloody Taliban they're being asked to form a coalition with FFS! 🙄 🤦‍♂️
 
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I'm off to Belfast a week tomorrow, and I'll be spending the first 3 days cycling across N.Ireland ,before heading into the Republic and doing the Co. Mayo, Connemara and Galway regions, before heading back towards Belfast for the overnight boat home. I could be away almost a month. Tbh although I come from a non-conformist Protestant background(Wesleyan/Methodist) of around 200 years I've absolutely NO TIME whatsoever for the so-called 'Loyalist' sectarian bigots in the Province, or far Right Wing trash like the DUP. Although I hated the IRA(and still do) it was the totally unjust 2nd class citizen status afforded to Catholics there that helped stoke the fires, and trouble. I've been to Belfast on a number of occasions now and it shocked me seeing the amount of Union Jack's on lampposts and the triumphalism displayed...they can't seem to resist rubbing it in and provoking the large Nationalist/Catholic population there! 😏. You still see armoured police Land Rover's on the streets there too! I'd seen stuff on the news and in newspapers, but it still doesn't fully prepare you! It's a beautiful but bizarre place...like a bit of white South Africa, pre Mandela, transplanted into the UK! Although yesterday's result wasn't unexpected I smiled...it's now time for the DUP to grow up, stop acting like classroom bullies, babies, and throwing their toy's out of the pram because they can't get their way. Swallow their pride and help form a working coalition government there...the place desperately needs stable government! At the end of the day it's hardly the bloody Taliban they're being asked to form a coalition with FFS! 🙄 🤦‍♂️
Interesting that the Alliance (I think) a non-sectarian party is now attracting about 20% of popular support. I would guess that the young from both sides of the divide see the world quite differently from the previous generations. I completely agree about the dinosaurs of the DUP and SF now have a young leader who is not directly linked to the paramilitaries.
As some of us predicted at the time of Brexit, there will in all likelihood be a united Ireland in the medium term. To many in Northern Ireland I would guess that they have replaced a situation of peaceful co-existence with a load of extra aggravation and red tape. The previous arrangement helped to maintain the status quo, with the new arrangements there are so many disadvantages that it is probable that NI will become a part of Ireland.
 
Exactly!!! The young from both sides don't want that tired old narrative anymore of NO to everything and 'no surrender!' This isn't 1974 anymore and they can't bring down government's over there who attempt reform. I was going out with a lovely Catholic lady in Belfast for a short time and she's a similar age to me. She said when she was growing up Catholics like her family weren't allowed to work in the shipyards (Harland & Wolf) and many other industries there...simply because they were Catholic FFS! 🙄 🤦‍♂️Yet she always loved coming home to Belfast and seeing the two large H&W cranes on the skyline. Thankfully thing's are changing, and for the better....but I think a United Ireland is still a LONG way away. 30% in the last poll on the Province...and at the moment, under the current terms of the GFA only citizens of N. Ireland can vote on that...
 
Yes, I think a unified Ireland will eventually come to pass, but in the medium to long term, perhaps 30+ years away. I think it will be intrinsically linked to the EU’s objective of “ever-closer Union” whereby the EU becomes the overall sovereign entity and the countries become more like states. If that arrives then the two parts of Ireland could co-exist as equal states within a bigger Union, effectively unifying Ireland.

Of course, that depends upon the EU project continuing successfully, which is not certain given the mess they made in persecuting Greece and the current opposition of the right-wing Eastern European countries. I think all-Ireland could also depend upon the U.K. rejoining the EU in which case we would be collaborating in the process rather than trying to break it.

But the Russia-Ukraine war has effectively trashed all schedules. It will be decades longer before the EU can return to focus on peacefully building sovereignty. The logistics of defence and security of energy supply will dominate their politics.
 
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Not very likely at all. Scotland would i think ally itself quickly with the Nordic countries with which it has more natural affinities both political and social.
And oil and gas of course.
Can anyone remind me what the opportunities for brexit were /are. King more and more light the ultimate act of hari-kari.
Anyway to be honest at the end of the day belongs more to Ireland than britain anyway. And in fact is is the United Kingdom and Northern Ireland. Check your passports
 
I would hardly see the back of the perverse, bigoted DUP ,orange marching goons - they add fk all to the UK sport from hassle and backwards thinking
For balance the Irish nationalistic are no better

Let them crack on- bring a mini balkans in 3 years
 
And oil and gas of course.
Can anyone remind me what the opportunities for brexit were /are. King more and more light the ultimate act of hari-kari.
Anyway to be honest at the end of the day belongs more to Ireland than britain anyway. And in fact is is the United Kingdom and Northern Ireland. Check your passports
The Shetlands and Orkneys were part of Norway until the 15th century? Big affinity.
 
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