Is this the worst trip ?

Lanc_seasider said:
That Virtue sub at about 70 minutes was baffling for so many reasons. Keeping Beesley on who’d offered literally nothing to the game. And seemingly setting up shop and reverting to a 5-4-1 formation against a side who created absolutely nothing against us, ironically, until we made that stupid change.

Critch’s game management is so so bad. I don’t think the first half performance today was bad at all and on another day it could have been 2 or 3 at half time. But his inability to affect games in-play inevitably invites pressure. Any other of the top sides in the league win that game much more than 1 today.
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Absolutely mind boggling substitution that, you might as well have brought Virtue on and stuck him at right back oh wait a minute!🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️
 
TwelveAngryMen said:
See above
Alleged negativity on the Podcast
It was also suggested that in show I should have called out others re their comments rather than ‘ smirk ‘
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Oh dear, all a bit daft, youre giving an opinion, not trying to spin things.

Generally when a side wins it's positive and if they lose its negative. Or a bad season everyone is down etc. Sometimes it's ott but fans are quite reactionary and there's many worse than our fanbase for that.

I think the club misses someone like you involved or any fan tbh.

I doubt we'd have had some of the managers we have with a fan involved knowing the feeling amongst other fans. Surely SS knows too, but yet still chose some odd choices not many others would have. I don't care what a report or stats showed I wouldn't have touched Appleton with a barge pole, knowing what the reaction would be and how important positive energy is not only for ST sales etc, but also success.

It was entirely predictable but sometimes there's also things stats won't tell you and sometimes you have to listen to the fans and for me it's about time we created a buzz in the community. It's what allows us to punch above our weight when we're all at it.
 
Lanc_seasider said:
That Virtue sub at about 70 minutes was baffling for so many reasons. Keeping Beesley on who’d offered literally nothing to the game. And seemingly setting up shop and reverting to a 5-4-1 formation against a side who created absolutely nothing against us, ironically, until we made that stupid change.

Critch’s game management is so so bad. I don’t think the first half performance today was bad at all and on another day it could have been 2 or 3 at half time. But his inability to affect games in-play inevitably invites pressure. Any other of the top sides in the league win that game much more than 1 today.
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How many times this season has he made a sub that’s positively effected the result?

Not nullifying ones, positive, attacking to change the game.

I reckon it would be 2-3 times at a push.

In game pro-active changes are as bad as it gets.
 
JJpool said:
Oh dear, all a bit daft, youre giving an opinion, not trying to spin things.

Generally when a side wins it's positive and if they lose its negative. Or a bad season everyone is down etc. Sometimes it's ott but fans are quite reactionary and there's many worse than our fanbase for that.

I think the club misses someone like you involved or any fan tbh.

I doubt we'd have had some of the managers we have with a fan involved knowing the feeling amongst other fans. Surely SS knows too, but yet still chose some odd choices not many others would have. I don't care what a report or stats showed I wouldn't have touched Appleton with a barge pole, knowing what the reaction would be and how important positive energy is not only for ST sales etc, but also success.

It was entirely predictable but sometimes there's also things stats won't tell you and sometimes you have to listen to the fans and for me it's about time we created a buzz in the community. It's what allows us to punch above our weight when we're all at it.
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Water off a ducks back to me to be honest ( it’s to be recalled I was called all sorts by the Dark Lord ) though I was surprised it was repeated when I challenged
There will be no sponsorship from my business until retracted ( we were in for 5k pa at the time )
Other than that it is was it is
SS is entitled to his opinion as am I
 
TwelveAngryMen said:
Yes we won but that was turgid
Reminded me of the way we often played in the early 80s in the old Division 4
Bar Dembele’s goal that was an incredibly poor performance against woeful opposition
Why we continue to persevere with a flawed system that does our players no favours whatsoever is beyond me
Trust the process ?
You are having a laugh
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Adams Kebab said:
How many times this season has he made a sub that’s positively effected the result?

Not nullifying ones, positive, attacking to change the game.

I reckon it would be 2-3 times at a push.

In game pro-active changes are as bad as it gets.
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Ironically Appleton was far better at making subs when needed, shame about his other flaws and that he never should have been in the running...
 
Clown ur not a important figure anymore-unbelievable u and your crony’s u was definitely one of oystons love child till it went wrong
 
Leyland bfc said:
Clown ur not a important figure anymore-unbelievable u and your crony’s u was definitely one of oystons love child till it went wrong
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Is that aimed at me ?
For the record I never met any Oyston until my settlement meeting after they sued me
I have also posted on here before during and after being involved in BST and for the four months I spent helping the CAR
I’ve posted as a fan and nothing else
 
TwelveAngryMen said:
Water off a ducks back to me to be honest ( it’s to be recalled I was called all sorts by the Dark Lord ) though I was surprised it was repeated when I challenged
There will be no sponsorship from my business until retracted ( we were in for 5k pa at the time )
Other than that it is was it is
SS is entitled to his opinion as am I
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Maybe you two should arrange a structured clear the air meeting and livestream it... 😄

It's a shame not to see money going into bfc, we all want to be pulling in the same direction. SS is putting money in and doing many good things for the club, but manager choices generally haven't been great and inspired fans, nor have we really hit a price that resonates, generated a buzz that attracts and excites the community.

We've had some good numbers attendance wise for league 1 considering the past, but are from from maxing out what could be if we got a few things right, exciting manager with a fresh start, price point, good football, being up there in the table etc.

If we got some or all of those right we could have far bigger crowds even in league 1.
 
straightatthewall said:
SS would do well to spend a bit of time with supporters. Mainly to make him understand that 99.9% of anything said is utter shite and not to be listened too no matter how strong the urge.
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As with many chairmen SS clearly has little or no regard to the opinions or feelings of the fans.

I think if SS sat down with the players individually and ask their honest opinion of what they thought of this season and where it all went wrong he might be in for a rude awakening.
 
Well if SS reads this forum, Simon why do you think the atmosphere at home games has gone from loud and proud to like a frigging library ?
I honestly can't think of a game, other than the two Bolton wins and the Forest Cup game where I came out of the ground and thought " I enjoyed that "
Turgid is the right word and it's leading to indifference with a lot of fans.
Burton away I think was the lowlight of my season, but thankfully spared me from Port Vale.
 
tangerine.com said:
Because of the goal difference both must win games
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But if we had hammered the Second and first worst teams in this league we might have had a chance of 90er taking Oxford !

Pathetic wins, nearly meaningless as we almost certainly not win the remaining matches and if we do it won’t be enough - wasted season
 
TwelveAngryMen said:
100%
AVFTT and X are most certainly the more rabid end of the BFC fan spectrum
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FB seems far more dramatic than on here.

Also actually at games after we've lost, like away at Wigan, loads of people were giving him and the player the v's etc, a bit unnecessary but sums up the feeling for some, whereas there's moans and grains on here, but it's venting frustration and not actually at anyone to their face and also there's some balance too.
 
JJpool said:
Maybe you two should arrange a structured clear the air meeting and livestream it... 😄

It's a shame not to see money going into bfc, we all want to be pulling in the same direction. SS is putting money in and doing many good things for the club, but manager choices generally haven't been great and inspired fans, nor have we really hit a price that resonates, generated a buzz that attracts and excites the community.

We've had some good numbers attendance wise for league 1 considering the past, but are from from maxing out what could be if we got a few things right, exciting manager with a fresh start, price point, good football, being up there in the table etc.

If we got some or all of those right we could have far bigger crowds even in league 1.
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We had that and the comment was repeated and so I’ll keep our chequebook closed as I’m not having that said about me
To be fair we were only a minor sponsor so I doubt that’s of too much concern
As an aside I have no complaints at all re SS’s commitment to BFC and indeed it was me that introduced him to the CAR
On the latter if you take a step back our L3 attendances are unprecedented - that said I think they will fall next year
 
rememberlesshannon said:
Well if SS reads this forum, Simon why do you think the atmosphere at home games has gone from loud and proud to like a frigging library ?
I honestly can't think of a game, other than the two Bolton wins and the Forest Cup game where I came out of the ground and thought " I enjoyed that "
Turgid is the right word and it's leading to indifference with a lot of fans.
Burton away I think was the lowlight of my season, but thankfully spared me from Port Vale.
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He deffo reads it…..its like Heroin to him..does him no good but he can’t kick it
 
TwelveAngryMen said:
We had that and the comment was repeated and so I’ll keep our chequebook closed as I’m not having that said about me
To be fair we were only a minor sponsor so I doubt that’s of too much concern
As an aside I have no complaints at all re SS’s commitment to BFC and indeed it was me that introduced him to the CAR
On the latter if you take a step back our L3 attendances are unprecedented - that said I think they will fall next year
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Attendances will fall unless the team starts winning and playing some decent stuff
 
Leyland bfc said:
Clown ur not a important figure anymore-unbelievable u and your crony’s u was definitely one of oystons love child till it went wrong
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TAM spent months supporting the club full time on weekdays during the transition from Os abandoning it with no handover and kept up his professional work at weekends so putting in 7 days a week…that deserves respect at the very least pal…and he definitely gets it from me
 
poolfc said:
Sounded like the overall aim was seven years from when he took over according to their COO on TalkSport earlier. And their owner is a fan who knows the business side of football as well and what fans need from it. Tried to consistently make appointments better than their level at the time or who they replace. Easier from a low start point but you can see the intention is there. Dogfood Dave must still be kicking himself about Dave Challinor but that's football.

A lot of teams struggle near the finish line so I would imagine their aim was just to win today. It's their work in the season, the shit weather nights away from home where they got the job done, that's what counts in the end.
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They got the job done for sure but my mate said it's been dull. He'd rather be entertained than fall asleep during a promotion push kinda thing.
 
voyeur said:
They got the job done for sure but my mate said it's been dull. He'd rather be entertained than fall asleep during a promotion push kinda thing.
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They've been consistent in the season though. Scored 4s, 5s and 8s when I've noticed, put together long winning runs. And I have a feeling with how they operate that they won't be shy in recognising that there's a step up in level but you also have to be constantly looking to improve and they won't be scared to replace people who helped them on the way up. Same with Wrexham.
 
TwelveAngryMen said:
They certainly look like they will
Momentum will play a part as it did with us in 2021/22
We it turn feel to me like we are going backwards
Hopefully we’ll have a reset close season
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I think you need a full reset close season too, clock off for a bit, let your hair down. 😉
 
TwelveAngryMen said:
We had that and the comment was repeated and so I’ll keep our chequebook closed as I’m not having that said about me
To be fair we were only a minor sponsor so I doubt that’s of too much concern
As an aside I have no complaints at all re SS’s commitment to BFC and indeed it was me that introduced him to the CAR
On the latter if you take a step back our L3 attendances are unprecedented - that said I think they will fall next year
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I think we all agree his commitment to the club is unquestionable and his non football running of the club is generally good with the odd exception, ticket prices, the grass line as examples. However, his abilities to ignore advice and listen to his customers in regard his handling of the football side of the club and also not listening to his advisors is very questionable and the fact he doesn't like it and saying things like he has about certain supporters is divisive. I mean we get told off like naughty schoolchildren FFS! If he carries on like that then the divide will get bigger and he will lose supporters.
 
Bottom line is, the majority of committed, dedicated fans, many of whom risked their well being, family life, and sanity for the club, are as one with the same feeling - the feeling has gone, the football is dreadful and there’s a disconnect. That, is criminal. A win is not just a win, it is the manner of the performance and today personified the season. Boring drivel.
 
TwelveAngryMen said:
We had that and the comment was repeated and so I’ll keep our chequebook closed as I’m not having that said about me
To be fair we were only a minor sponsor so I doubt that’s of too much concern
As an aside I have no complaints at all re SS’s commitment to BFC and indeed it was me that introduced him to the CAR
On the latter if you take a step back our L3 attendances are unprecedented - that said I think they will fall next year
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Ahh right, surely though you'd move on, when we're in a bad place fans will moan. Seems a bit petty.

Surely a "personally I thought you went a bit far and were a bit reactionary, but I get it was a bad time for fans" would have been a better approach...

On the attendances yes historically they are higher, but comparing to the past is pointless really given much of it was either in a rust bucket, or a half finished tinpot looking stadium under the uninspiring oystons with no ambition or capability to hold many more.

There's so much more potential, we came down bigger but even then we went up on the back of having no fans in attendance, 4k only at the playoff home and Wembley, when usually its 30k and all the casuals go and some get the bug for next season.

We also had a hangover from covid with some reluctant to come back straight away. The 2nd championship season was under Appleton who many hated and we had a dreadful season.

So it was hardly us maxing out what we could have done attendance wise.

So even though historically it's a good number, theres still much more we could be doing.

For e.g. considering we went down there was actually a buzz again with Dobbie.

Not saying it was right, but say we did stick with him, he was a popular figure, fans liked the football, would sell tickets, if we'd have done a cheap ST deal where if you sell 10k maybe we then all paid a lower amount, plus some good signings I think approaching that 10k ST was achievable. Then if we're actually doing well and playing well, the crowds could be 1-2k bigger.
 
Martonmosser said:
With a lack of entertainment under this manager we will lose 100ds if not 1000s of season ticket holders
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I think what might happen is we still sell a good few season tickets but people won't plan around prioritising the football as much. I know I won't if Critchley is in charge, whereas if we had a fresh approach I'd be wanting to get to as many games as possible. There is just no excitement in his plodding brand of football.
 
TwelveAngryMen said:
Personally I don’t think we do enough to attract new fans however unless the product is right if you coax them in they aren’t coming back
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True, if we do a ST deal (as was suggested that Winter, who implemented one a Huddersfield, was open to potentially doing one) then if NC is still here it won't be maxing our what could be. Ideally that would be in conjunction with a new exciting manager for maximum effect.

There's much we can do including that type of deal.

I've mentioned before but some sort of new fans special maybe, to lure them in, if they aren't coming anyway, then it's no real loss if new fans got a cheap deal or whatever, it benefits all as that extra money gets a better team.
 
It might be because I was keen in my teens and 20s in the 1980s, but I don't remember being as bored as I am watching Blackpool now, and yet I should be excited at still being in contention for the play-offs this season.

Everyone keeps saying it was crap back in the 1980s, but in reality I remember most games were exciting and nowhere near as boring then as it is now, apart from a brief period under Worthington.

And the small crowd back then was highly charged, energetic and regularly entertained, even though we weren't ever really challenging for the league 1 play-offs, apart from once under Allardyce - and I think that was back in the 90s.
 
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