It's all about the party, not the country

[BigHandsOliverKahn]

Telling comments from the past 24 hours....

Sunak's incoming speech...

"I am humbled and honoured to have the support of my parliamentary colleagues and to be elected as leader of the Conservative and Unionist Party.

It is the greatest privilege of my life to be able to serve the party I love and give back to the country I owe so much to."

So it's his greatest privilege and love for the party but the country is being given something back by him.

Then Rees-Mogg quits as Business Secretary saying he was too close to Liz Truss.

I'm sorry for being old fashioned but I would have thought you had a job to do like trying to help the ailing businesses in this country? Or are relationships in your party far more important?

 

[Costero Poderoso]

Telling comments from the past 24 hours....

Sunak's incoming speech...

"I am humbled and honoured to have the support of my parliamentary colleagues and to be elected as leader of the Conservative and Unionist Party.

It is the greatest privilege of my life to be able to serve the party I love and give back to the country I owe so much to."

So it's his greatest privilege and love for the party but the country is being given something back by him.

Then Rees-Mogg quits as Business Secretary saying he was too close to Liz Truss.

I'm sorry for being old fashioned but I would have thought you had a job to do like trying to help the ailing businesses in this country? Or are relationships in your party far more important?

Personally I thought it was quite a clever speech, he knows he doesn't have a public mandate so he has to draw on the party one. Very pragmatic, didn't mention Brexit in his economic disaster causes, praise predecessors, throw out the typical Daily Mail talking points, immigration etc, levelling up to try as a claim on firstly party unity and credibility (from the election) and is also a meaningless media soundbite, so no action required, particularly in light of his comments on changing the equations so that rich districts get more economic help than poor urban areas.

Relationships in the party are fundamentally more important to them particularly if you want to push the radical agenda that Sunak advocates. They need another GE landslide. I think pragmatism gets them there.

I'm surprised by all the resignations, that points to some underlying issues with the extreme parts of the conservative party being uncooperative, but they literally cannot afford to have another change in leader.

Whatever gains Starmer think he might have made against the baboon and imbecile, that will evaporate very quickly against some simple pragmatic resolution to a couple of brexit issues that are only issues because of the brexit supporters fantasies.

 

[Matesrates]

Where is the party, can we all go?

 

[Archibald Knox]

If Sunak survives a year I reckon that, despite being a Brexiteer, he will put the wheels in motion to rejoin the EU customs union and the single market. Simply because it will be economically obvious to him. To be determined based upon a General Election result, of course. But he will remove a differentiator that the Labour party manifesto could have.

And it is the only sensible way out of the NI Protocol in the EU Withdrawal Agreement and the Northern Ireland border problem, by removing Bozo's current customs border down the middle of the Irish Sea. Which will continue to be hugely problematical with regard to the Good Friday Agreement.

 

[Wizaard]

Where is the party, can we all go?

Its a work event

 

[Costero Poderoso]

If Sunak survives a year I reckon that, despite being a Brexiteer, he will put the wheels in motion to rejoin the EU customs union and the single market. Simply because it will be economically obvious to him. To be determined based upon a General Election result, of course. But he will remove a differentiator that the Labour party manifesto could have.

And it is the only sensible way out of the NI Protocol in the EU Withdrawal Agreement and the Northern Ireland border problem, by removing Bozo's current customs border down the middle of the Irish Sea. Which will continue to be hugely problematical with regard to the Good Friday Agreement.

agree with all of that, he will have something that completely disarms Starmer as well, my guess will be an energy windfall tax, brings in some necessary cash, creates some popularity, and screws with Starmer.

If he can get through a year he can survive through to the GE at which point if he plays his cards he might get a landslide. Then he can really do some damage, Unlike Cameron, May, Johnson and Truss he's got enough smarts to make it work for him and his cronies, and his basic ideologie are really out there.

 

[1966_and_all_that]

Personally I thought it was quite a clever speech, he knows he doesn't have a public mandate so he has to draw on the party one. Very pragmatic, didn't mention Brexit in his economic disaster causes, praise predecessors, throw out the typical Daily Mail talking points, immigration etc, levelling up to try as a claim on firstly party unity and credibility (from the election) and is also a meaningless media soundbite, so no action required, particularly in light of his comments on changing the equations so that rich districts get more economic help than poor urban areas.

Relationships in the party are fundamentally more important to them particularly if you want to push the radical agenda that Sunak advocates. They need another GE landslide. I think pragmatism gets them there.

I'm surprised by all the resignations, that points to some underlying issues with the extreme parts of the conservative party being uncooperative, but they literally cannot afford to have another change in leader.

Whatever gains Starmer think he might have made against the baboon and imbecile, that will evaporate very quickly against some simple pragmatic resolution to a couple of brexit issues that are only issues because of the brexit supporters fantasies.

There's no doubt that support for Labour will drop on the back of this but it will be a temporary thing. Sunak has form.

 

[Costero Poderoso]

There's no doubt that support for Labour will drop on the back of this but it will be a temporary thing. Sunak has form.

I hope you're right, but Sunak genuinely scares me as to the damage he could do, I think he's a duplicitous c**t, and he's playing a longish game, some of his core beliefs are in line if not more extreme than the Tufton street brigade. I think most people would have realised that Truss would blow up, she was too stupid not to, and Sunak has had to do very little to get into the position he now holds by default.

 

[1966_and_all_that]

I hope you're right, but Sunak genuinely scares me as to the damage he could do, I think he's a duplicitous c**t, and he's playing a longish game, some of his core beliefs are in line if not more extreme than the Tufton street brigade. I think most people would have realised that Truss would blow up, she was too stupid not to, and Sunak has had to do very little to get into the position he now holds by default.

Never forget the Clinton maxim - "it's the economy, stupid."

 

[Costero Poderoso]

Never forget the Clinton maxim - "it's the economy, stupid."

yeah which I always find a bit odd, bearing in mind so few people understand even the basics of the economy, economy in that sense is do I have a job and do I have enough to go to the pub on Friday night and the footy on a Saturday. I think he could make some simple decisions that could put a reasonably positive spin on the economy as it is both understood by the public and transmitted positively by the right wing media.

 

[1966_and_all_that]

yeah which I always find a bit odd, bearing in mind so few people understand even the basics of the economy, economy in that sense is do I have a job and do I have enough to go to the pub on Friday night and the footy on a Saturday. I think he could make some simple decisions that could put a reasonably positive spin on the economy as it is both understood by the public and transmitted positively by the right wing media.

But it's the money available for heating, cooking, shopping and clothing that will bite with ordinary people. Sunak can wax lyrical on the news chat programmes about the strength of the Pound, the fall in returns on the Bond market and reductions in the national debt. What people want to know is whether their purses are emptying quicker than they can fill them.

 

[Costero Poderoso]

But it's the money available for heating, cooking, shopping and clothing that will bite with ordinary people. Sunak can wax lyrical on the news chat programmes about the strength of the Pound, the fall in returns on the Bond market and reductions in the national debt. What people want to know is whether their purses are emptying quicker than they can fill them.

but thats what i mean i think he will do something pragmatic that makes a difference, that the Nutjob element of the Torys will just suck up for the time being. My money would be on an energy windfall tax. if he can do something that labour are proposing it gets seen as one nationy as well.

 

[1966_and_all_that]

but thats what i mean i think he will do something pragmatic that makes a difference, that the Nutjob element of the Torys will just suck up for the time being. My money would be on an energy windfall tax. if he can do something that labour are proposing it gets seen as one nationy as well.

That is true. If he steals that clothing he will be on a winner.

 

[Block j]

The Tories didn’t want Sunak a couple of weeks ago My Personal thoughts are the party couldn’t ,did not want an Asian in the top job. They went for the only option as crap as she turned out ! It’s going to be very interesting times ahead for the PM as there are a lot of people getting to their wits end by their lifestyles security pensions and savings being stolen

 

[traffordtang]

Personally I thought it was quite a clever speech, he knows he doesn't have a public mandate so he has to draw on the party one. Very pragmatic, didn't mention Brexit in his economic disaster causes, praise predecessors, throw out the typical Daily Mail talking points, immigration etc, levelling up to try as a claim on firstly party unity and credibility (from the election) and is also a meaningless media soundbite, so no action required, particularly in light of his comments on changing the equations so that rich districts get more economic help than poor urban areas.

Relationships in the party are fundamentally more important to them particularly if you want to push the radical agenda that Sunak advocates. They need another GE landslide. I think pragmatism gets them there.

I'm surprised by all the resignations, that points to some underlying issues with the extreme parts of the conservative party being uncooperative, but they literally cannot afford to have another change in leader.

Whatever gains Starmer think he might have made against the baboon and imbecile, that will evaporate very quickly against some simple pragmatic resolution to a couple of brexit issues that are only issues because of the brexit supporters fantasies.

Did he mention that like his once upon a time friend Johnson he too was fined for partying during lockdown. That alone should have excluded him from being party leader but instead just confirms that the party he loves so much are still completely lacking in any moral compass.

 

[Trammo]

Oh I thought it was a thread about Labour during the Corblimey years.

 

[Shandypants]

I hope you're right, but Sunak genuinely scares me as to the damage he could do, I think he's a duplicitous c**t, and he's playing a longish game, some of his core beliefs are in line if not more extreme than the Tufton street brigade. I think most people would have realised that Truss would blow up, she was too stupid not to, and Sunak has had to do very little to get into the position he now holds by default.

He's certainly more dangerous than Johnson, who seemed to be doing the gig for future earnings potential and the jolly japes to be had. I can't fathom Sunaks motives but it's not money (like Johnson) but he's in the super rich brexiteer brigade that worry me intensely.

 

[Costero Poderoso]

Did he mention that like his once upon a time friend Johnson he too was fined for partying during lockdown. That alone should have excluded him from being party leader but instead just confirms that the party he loves so much are still completely lacking in any moral compass.

No!! Surprisingly he didn't mention that. Mmm. I wonder why?

 

[Costero Poderoso]

He's certainly more dangerous than Johnson, who seemed to be doing the gig for future earnings potential and the jolly japes to be had. I can't fathom Sunaks motives but it's not money (like Johnson) but he's in the super rich brexiteer brigade that worry me intensely.

I think he's the first proper political player since Blair. I think his motivation is to be part of the top table elites to affect global issues. A world figure. Think you are right about Johnson and I think it was similar with Cameron but without Johnson's sociopathy.