"I've nothing to hide"

TSSeasider said:
Aye, because you deleted everything Nicola.

Interesting take on democracy.

We haven't been well served by our politicians really have we.
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I really don't get why all these so called deleted messages aren't on the WhatsApp servers.

Every day you hear of stuff being retrieved from computers that had been deleted in order to secure convictions. Why not these?

Plus the line about changing phones and losing all your messages is utter claptrap. Every time I change the phone and upload the app, the messages miraculously reappear.
 
Wizaard said:
I really don't get why all these so called deleted messages aren't on the WhatsApp servers.

Every day you hear of stuff being retrieved from computers that had been deleted in order to secure convictions. Why not these?

Plus the line about changing phones and losing all your messages is utter claptrap. Every time I change the phone and upload the app, the messages miraculously reappear.
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I don't either.

Other than they don't want them to come out.

The unguarded messages from the Government were depressing in their vulgarity as much as their content - I dare say the Scottish Governments were of a similar nature.

She won't recall why she told everybody to delete everything though.
 
TSSeasider said:
Aye, because you deleted everything Nicola.

Interesting take on democracy.

We haven't been well served by our politicians really have we.
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That's an interesting spin. Are you aware that, unlike Westminster, WhatsApp is not used for official business in Scotland, they do things like minutes taken by Civil Servants? Guess it will never catch on.
 
Tangerinemoss said:
That's an interesting spin. Are you aware that, unlike Westminster, WhatsApp is not used for official business in Scotland, they do things like minutes taken by Civil Servants? Guess it will never catch on.
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Of course it's not 👍

"The inquiry also heard from retired civil servant Ken Thomson who said electronic messaging grew very rapidly during the pandemic.

He said the policy was to retain a formal record of decision-making but many messages were simply exchanges of information.

He was asked about posts he made in a "Covid outbreak group" chat in August 2020, which included the deputy chief medial officer and national clinical director Jason Leitch.

In it he reminds them the messages are "FOI discoverable" and urges participants to use the "clear chat" button.

He also remarks: "Plausible deniability is my middle name"."

They knew exactly what they were doing.

BBC News - UK Covid inquiry: Nicola Sturgeon's Covid WhatsApp messages 'all deleted'
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UK Covid inquiry: Nicola Sturgeon's Covid WhatsApp messages 'all deleted'

An inquiry hears the former first minister's messages were removed during "routine tidying up" of inboxes.
www.bbc.co.uk
 
Lost Seasider said:
Being the SNP, probably because most of the texts were about using Covid to advance the cause of independence, which was pretty obvious at the time.
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You don't half talk rot. I had no time for Ms Sturgeon, but she didn't run for cover when it got tough, like your leader. It was probably the only time during her leadership that she did put the population's safety before Nationalistic considerations.
 
Tangerinemoss said:
You missed the one lockdown less. Much better for everyone incl business.
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Trying to pretend that level 4 lockdown is not a lockdown is priceless, and level 3 was only marginally lighter, but in any event, in what sense does delaying lockdown, or slightly watering it down in some places "put the population's safety before Nationalistic considerations"?


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A much simpler question, if your original statement was true, why then did she delete all the messages?
 
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Lost Seasider said:
Trying to pretend that level 4 lockdown is not a lockdown is priceless, and level 3 was only marginally lighter, but in any event, in what sense does delaying lockdown, or slightly watering it down in some places "put the population's safety before Nationalistic considerations"?


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A much simpler question, if your original statement was true, why then did she delete all the messages?
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Why not ask her, I'm not her agent!. I live in Scotland, and the level of communication was way better than the fuckwittery of Johnson, Gove, and co. You southerners probably did not see that, with the London media focusing totally on Westminster
 
From Ms Sturgeon


"I do not intend to give a running commentary on the ongoing Inquiry. Instead, out of respect to all those impacted by the pandemic, I will answer questions directly and openly when I give evidence at the end of this month

However, in light of recent coverage, there are certain points I feel it important to make clear.Contrary to the impression given in some coverage, the Inquiry does have messages between me and those I most regularly communicated with through informal means. Although these had not been retained on my own device, I was able to obtain copies which I submitted to the Inquiry last year.To be clear, I conducted the Covid response through formal processes from my office in St Andrews House, not through WhatsApp or any other informal messaging platform. I was not a member of any WhatsApp groups. The number of people I communicated with through informal messaging at all was limited.Also, any handwritten notes made by me were passed to my private office to be dealt with and recorded as appropriate.

Throughout the entire process, I acted in line with Scottish Government policy.I did my level best to lead Scotland through the pandemic as safely as possible - and shared my thinking with the country on a daily basis. I did not get every decision right - far from it - but I was motivated only, and at all times, by the determination to keep people as safe as possible."




You can certainly argue whether the last para is true, but sounds like the rest is a rebuttal of what I called spin above. Maybe she could show Johnson and Sunak how to find their lost messages
 
Tangerinemoss said:
Why not ask her, I'm not her agent!.
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I doubt she'd answer, much less tell the truth, which is, I suspect, that the messages would show that a lot of the decision-making was influenced by independence.


Tangerinemoss said:
I live in Scotland, and the level of communication was way better than the fuckwittery of Johnson, Gove, and co. You southerners probably did not see that, with the London media focusing totally on Westminster
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I did see that, and what that boils down to, is that the broadcast media in London, particularly the BBC, has a strong left-wing bias and a personal hatred of Johnson, and went out of their way to cause trouble for the government, whereas the Scottish media are much tamer, so Sturgeon got a much easier ride.

Westminster was making the decisions for England, policy for Scotland etc was devolved, what else were the English media supposed to focus on?
 
I still want to know why Nicola Vennells was given a £400,000 pay off?
Why haven't they taken that back?
 
Lost Seasider said:
Contract law, and they can't just run around stealing other people's money, even if that's what they have done in the past.
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If it were fraudulently obtained, they could. Proceeds of Crime. The organisation of which she was head was prosecuting individuals despite knowing their evidence was flawed. The buck stops at the head.
 
Wizaard said:
I really don't get why all these so called deleted messages aren't on the WhatsApp servers.

Every day you hear of stuff being retrieved from computers that had been deleted in order to secure convictions. Why not these?

Plus the line about changing phones and losing all your messages is utter claptrap. Every time I change the phone and upload the app, the messages miraculously reappear.
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That's the big selling point of WhatsApp as well as it being free, is that your data is completely safe and when you delete, you delete.
 
Tangerinemoss said:
You don't half talk rot. I had no time for Ms Sturgeon, but she didn't run for cover when it got tough, like your leader. It was probably the only time during her leadership that she did put the population's safety before Nationalistic considerations.
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Turns out I was right after all: Nicola Sturgeon's Cabinet looked at how Covid could boost support for independence

Nicola Sturgeon’s Cabinet agreed to consider how the pandemic could be politicised to boost support for independence, as hundreds of Scots were hospitalised with the virus during the first lockdown.
 
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