Jake Daniels Interview

TwelveAngryMen said:
I'm just interested in what he can do on the pitch
To be fair it was a big thing when he came out however his sexuality should be irrelevant and now I just want to see him achieve his potential
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Sport can be, and often is, a catalyst for change. The reason his coming out was a big thing was not just the superficial milestone but what it meant - that somebody had the balls to unapologetically be themselves and represent others who might still be too afraid. As the only one in England active and out of the closet, and somebody who achieved some profile on the back of inclusivity in football and the idea of a need for more role models, I would say his voice is probably one that ought to be heard specifically regarding the Hendo issue.
 
Fully agreed he was headline news on the ZB Sports bulletin in New Zealand headlined by Blackpool footballer Jake Daniels etc got a good minute of his interview. Circa 4 hundred thousand listeners V a population of 5 million so decent exposure which maybe an angle if he doesn't make the first team on a regular basis so possibly looking at an alternative career !!!
 
Adams Kebab said:
Here’s a question for the above…

Do you think that Jake Daniels would have come out publicly if he didn’t sort a massive financial deal with Adidas before the reveal?

Money is important for them both. Nothing wrong with that btw, just don’t lose sight out of it.
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I find it embarrassing. Why didn't he say something when Henderson signed? Is Jake's profile dropping out of the news?
Mike Bushell called him Jack Daniels on bbc so I guess it is.
 
Adams Kebab said:
Here’s a question for the above…

Do you think that Jake Daniels would have come out publicly if he didn’t sort a massive financial deal with Adidas before the reveal?

Money is important for them both. Nothing wrong with that btw, just don’t lose sight out of it.
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Don't blame him for cashing in. There is no guarantee he will have a career in football.

And whilst he very well might be "just another footballer" to a lot of us, his coming out is very important to people who may have, or have had similar struggles as Jake has. It's a bit undermining to state "he's just a footballer" because the real world what he has done by coming out is rather significant.
 
I think it’s fair enough cashing in on his bit of celebrity/fame status…I mean he can’t get on the bench at a doing ok league 1 team can he…so he’s either injury prone or poss not good enough at this level…!!..
 
Macseasider said:
Don't blame him for cashing in. There is no guarantee he will have a career in football.

And whilst he very well might be "just another footballer" to a lot of us, his coming out is very important to people who may have, or have had similar struggles as Jake has. It's a bit undermining to state "he's just a footballer" because the real world what he has done by coming out is rather significant.
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Exactly, so it’s a strange one he criticises Henderson, when he’s clearly cashing in himself.
 
Adams Kebab said:
Exactly, so it’s a strange one he criticises Henderson, when he’s clearly cashing in himself.
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Not really the same though is it? Jake might get some sponsorship from a company as he's had the guts to come out as being gay. The other is raking in millions from a regime that outlaw being gay and do terrible things to gay people whilst having the cheek to be a huge supporter of gay rights.
 
Macseasider said:
Not really the same though is it? Jake might get some sponsorship from a company as he's had the guts to come out as being gay. The other is raking in millions from a regime that outlaw being gay and do terrible things to gay people whilst having the cheek to be a huge supporter of gay rights.
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The point is, would he have had the guts without getting a big chunk of £££.

I reckon he’d go play in Saudi for a big chunk too. There’s nothing wrong with that.

Let’s not kid ourselves.
 
Adams Kebab said:
The point is, would he have had the guts without getting a big chunk of £££.

I reckon he’d go play in Saudi for a big chunk too. There’s nothing wrong with that.

Let’s not kid ourselves.
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You're inventing scenarios to be cynical about.
"What if he didn't get an endorsement?"
"Imagine if he went to Saudi himself."

It's not hypocritical to make money and take advantage of opportunities. It becomes hypocritical when those opportunities completely contradict the values you've presented to the world previously.
 
GJJW said:
Jake Daniels: Jordan Henderson's move to Saudi Arabia a 'slap in the face' - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/67500698
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Hey Gareth - nowt to do with the thread but did you know DB did the latest podcast on Absolute Radio? it's the one where Tim Burgess ( Charlatan's lead singer ) reviews old albums with the artists with him in the studio - they review When the world knows your Name - Ricky and Lorraine are with him - it's a great listen 👍 i didn't realise Wages Day was nearly a B side !!
 
Grayth said:
You're inventing scenarios to be cynical about.
"What if he didn't get an endorsement?"
"Imagine if he went to Saudi himself."

It's not hypocritical to make money and take advantage of opportunities. It becomes hypocritical when those opportunities completely contradict the values you've presented to the world previously.
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This.

As far as I'm aware Adidas don't lock up the gays.
 
premactopool said:
Hey Gareth - nowt to do with the thread but did you know DB did the latest podcast on Absolute Radio? it's the one where Tim Burgess ( Charlatan's lead singer ) reviews old albums with the artists with him in the studio - they review When the world knows your Name - Ricky and Lorraine are with him - it's a great listen 👍 i didn't realise Wages Day was nearly a B side !!
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Thanks pal. I've heard snippets if it but need to listen yo the whole thing yet. Yes, they wanted to do Wages Day as just Ricky and a piano originally. I've heard it and it's beautiful, but it's no get up and dance Wages Day 😆
 
GJJW said:
Thanks pal. I've heard snippets if it but need to listen yo the whole thing yet. Yes, they wanted to do Wages Day as just Ricky and a piano originally. I've heard it and it's beautiful, but it's no get up and dance Wages Day 😆
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ha ha indeed - they sang it at their daughters wedding - they didn't invite me though !!!
 
Grayth said:
You're inventing scenarios to be cynical about.
"What if he didn't get an endorsement?"
"Imagine if he went to Saudi himself."

It's not hypocritical to make money and take advantage of opportunities. It becomes hypocritical when those opportunities completely contradict the values you've presented to the world previously.
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The Saudi one yep fair enough.

The boot deal nope. It was banded about to the highest bidder before he went public.

People can talk about how brave he is & how he’s doing it for this and that but money was also a highly motivating factor in going public.

That’s not a scenario, that happened.

Which is why slagging off someone for making a money decision is somewhat ironic.
 
Adams Kebab said:
The Saudi one yep fair enough.

The boot deal nope. It was banded about to the highest bidder before he went public.

People can talk about how brave he is & how he’s doing it for this and that but money was also a highly motivating factor in going public.

That’s not a scenario, that happened.

Which is why slagging off someone for making a money decision is somewhat ironic.
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If you think he came out as a selfish money-grabbing scheme then that's fair enough, you've seen the worst in a young lad who plays for Blackpool for reasons I can't speculate on.
 
Obviously one difference here is that 'Hendo' was already loaded before he chose to become even more loaded. Jack's deal(s) with whoever he has them with aren't going to come close in real terms.

And the fact that he can't really go and play in Saudi because he's openly gay is probably the bigger point...Although as it happens, I don't really have an issue with any of it. If the western world doesn't like Saudi Arabia, Qatar, UAE etc...then we should stop dealing with them full stop. Just like we've done with Iran. We all know why it isn't happening. Same reason why we put up with China and turned a blind eye to Putin obviously being a ** for years.

And the players themselves should have the guts to be up front about why they're playing. Same as LIV golfers or boxers willing to fight in KSA. You can't have a good and bad sort of capitalism. It's all about greed.
 
Adams Kebab said:
The Saudi one yep fair enough.

The boot deal nope. It was banded about to the highest bidder before he went public.

People can talk about how brave he is & how he’s doing it for this and that but money was also a highly motivating factor in going public.

That’s not a scenario, that happened.

Which is why slagging off someone for making a money decision is somewhat ironic.
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I'm not sure you quite grasp either a) the difference or b) irony.
 
he was on BBC Radio lancs last night . Dont know whether it was the same or separate interviews. His uncle used to run a team my son played for back in the day. Blackpool Rangers. I think i got that right.
 
TwelveAngryMen said:
however his sexuality should be irrelevant and now I just want to see him achieve his potential
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Is that not the problem though that his sexuality should be irrelevant and yet here we are 12 months on and there's not been anyone else come forward. My mate has been a physio at 3 (smaller) clubs and says there are 4 gay players in those clubs (obviously won't telll me who) and yet each are afraid to come out. Until this is irrelevant and actually organisations like FIFA don't recognise countries who make it illegal then it will continue to be a story.

Adams Kebab said:
People can talk about how brave he is & how he’s doing it for this and that but money was also a highly motivating factor in going public.
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What utter bullshit! Coming out was a massive thing for him - the attention he got and with the way we still have plenty of idiots in the world, it could have gone horribly wrong. Would he have expected the commercial deals - I doubt it - if he'd been a big Prem player then maybe but he has hardly broken in to our squad - I think the deals would have come as an unexpected surprise and why shouldn't he take advantage of that.

Jake will continue to be the go-to footballer on this until others come out and join him.
 
ParkerAteMyKebab said:
What utter bullshit! Coming out was a massive thing for him - the attention he got and with the way we still have plenty of idiots in the world, it could have gone horribly wrong. Would he have expected the commercial deals - I doubt it - if he'd been a big Prem player then maybe but he has hardly broken in to our squad - I think the deals would have come as an unexpected surprise and why shouldn't he take advantage of that.

Jake will continue to be the go-to footballer on this until others come out and join him.
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*Sighs

Adidas must have signed him for a 6 figure contract on him scoring 30 goals in our Youth Team then and the 1 sub appearance in the Chsmpionship then as it was all boxed off before he came out. Maybe just a pleasant surprise or maybe his agent going to them all to get the best day prior.

Nothing bullshit about that 👌🏼
 
Grayth said:
If you think he came out as a selfish money-grabbing scheme then that's fair enough, you've seen the worst in a young lad who plays for Blackpool for reasons I can't speculate on.
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I don’t think it was solely a money-grabbing scheme but I think it played a big part 💯

Do you not?
 
Adams Kebab said:
The Saudi one yep fair enough.

The boot deal nope. It was banded about to the highest bidder before he went public.

People can talk about how brave he is & how he’s doing it for this and that but money was also a highly motivating factor in going public.

That’s not a scenario, that happened.

Which is why slagging off someone for making a money decision is somewhat ironic.
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He’s not slagging somebody off for making a money decision, he’s criticizing somebody for lending his public profile to a morally backwards nation after pretending to be a passionate defender of LGBTQ rights. He would equally be criticizing him if he’d gone there on minimum wage. It’s not about the money it’s about the message his being there sends.

The agenda from some of you on here is so obvious and it doesn’t half make me sad. Trying so hard to find fault in this kid it’s pathetic, seriously pathetic.
 
I totally agree with Alf. Stop imputing motivation to a person you don't know and who has been nothing but exemplary in his conduct for BFC. He has real talent and we should support him in the hope that it comes to full fruition. It would help if the Development Squad played more games.
 
ParkerAteMyKebab said:
Is that not the problem though that his sexuality should be irrelevant and yet here we are 12 months on and there's not been anyone else come forward. My mate has been a physio at 3 (smaller) clubs and says there are 4 gay players in those clubs (obviously won't telll me who) and yet each are afraid to come out. Until this is irrelevant and actually organisations like FIFA don't recognise countries who make it illegal then it will continue to be a story.


What utter bullshit! Coming out was a massive thing for him - the attention he got and with the way we still have plenty of idiots in the world, it could have gone horribly wrong. Would he have expected the commercial deals - I doubt it - if he'd been a big Prem player then maybe but he has hardly broken in to our squad - I think the deals would have come as an unexpected surprise and why shouldn't he take advantage of that.

Jake will continue to be the go-to footballer on this until others come out and join him.
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The thing about it is he doesn't even really play in front of crowds, he's not even broken through yet.

So the whole situation hasn't even been tested in games that matter to pissed up opposition fans etc.

Anyway, every credit to him but when I see he's become this media personality, it's great for him, but as a Blackpool fan I just want to see him progress and if he's good enough, break through. All this other stuff just seems a bit mad for a lad who's done nothing but express his sexuality.

I just hope his media side doesn't affect his desire in the game. But he comes across very well and can put the club in the spotlight and in a good light.
 
brightontangerine said:
Good lad, and got some spine. Got loads of respect for him. Hope he does well.
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100% and glad they mentioned Gerrard as well as Henderson because that money grabbing bar-steward who effectively helped us to lose our Championship status shouldn't go without criticism.
 
Grayth said:
If you think he came out as a selfish money-grabbing scheme then that's fair enough, you've seen the worst in a young lad who plays for Blackpool for reasons I can't speculate on.
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It’s a fact that his agent was shopping the story around to big brands and news outlets prior to him coming out.

Absolutely nothing wrong with that but it’s a touch hypocritical to then slate Henderson and use comments like “the money clearly means more to people” and “the money pays well” to criticise him rather than just focus on the actual issue.
 
Gary said:
It’s a fact that his agent was shopping the story around to big brands and news outlets prior to him coming out.

Absolutely nothing wrong with that but it’s a touch hypocritical to then slate Henderson and use comments like “the money clearly means more to people” and “the money pays well” to criticise him rather than just focus on the actual issue.
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Why don't you bugger off back to your own board?
 
Gary said:
It’s a fact that his agent was shopping the story around to big brands and news outlets prior to him coming out.

Absolutely nothing wrong with that but it’s a touch hypocritical to then slate Henderson and use comments like “the money clearly means more to people” and “the money pays well” to criticise him rather than just focus on the actual issue.
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It's not hypocritical at all.

"He's criticising someone for dropping his previously stated values by playing in a country where he would be persecuted for being his authentic self? But...but he once made some money!"

It's a reach isn't it?
 
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