Jeremy Corbyn on the Queens death..

kuriousoranj said:
I'm not a strong Starmer supporter but his was the outstanding speech by far.
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I saw it and agree with you. However, John Crace in the Guardian says it better than I could:

"Keir Starmer was pitch perfect. Emotionally and verbally literate. When he spoke of love, you felt it. He understands grief. That when we are grieving for the Queen we are allowing ourselves to grieve for ourselves. For the mothers and grandmothers we have lost. Or never even had. For the hopes and dreams that will never be fulfilled. For the family that remains out of reach.

"The Labour leader gets the Freudian subtext. Death’s psychological meaning. That no matter how we may try to fill the gap of someone’s death, part of us will remain inconsolable. Which is how it should be. As that is how we perpetuate the love we do not want to let go of.

"At times Starmer sounded spiritual – almost religious – as he talked of the capacity for the Queen to dwell with us in our pain. Almost as if he was inviting us to make the comparison between the empathy of a monarch and the coldness of an uncaring government. He was so powerful, so convincing, that even the Tory frontbench nodded along when he told us she was the person to whom we turned for comfort during the pandemic. She was a leader we could trust."
 
kuriousoranj said:
What like..

Taking a sledgehammer to dirty Russian money in the UK (2017)
National free broadband
Caution against a world wide pandemic (a year before a worldwide pandemic)
Warning David Cameron many times about PPE in hospitals in case of a worldwide pandemic.
Renationalise all energy and water companies
Free higher Education
Free dental treatment
Confirmatory vote on Brexit so people have a better understanding of exactly what they voted for?
Properly funded NHS
Billionaires/corporations paying the right amount of tax.
Closing down offshore tax havens.
etc..
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Genuinely I only have a vague recollection of some of these. But that's my point, plus as a Non Labour supporter, I didn't give a lot of creedence
to his political viewpoint and related speeches.
In a lot of ways its sad that a Peppa Pig offering has more gravitas with people than one for Free Higher Education, PPE and dental treatment.
 
kuriousoranj said:
What like..

Taking a sledgehammer to dirty Russian money in the UK (2017)
National free broadband
Caution against a world wide pandemic (a year before a worldwide pandemic)
Warning David Cameron many times about PPE in hospitals in case of a worldwide pandemic.
Renationalise all energy and water companies
Free higher Education
Free dental treatment
Confirmatory vote on Brexit so people have a better understanding of exactly what they voted for?
Properly funded NHS
Billionaires/corporations paying the right amount of tax.
Closing down offshore tax havens.
etc..
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Corbyn suggested borrowing money for infrastructure and got hammered for it. Truss is borrowing eye-watering sums to keep energy companies in mega profit. Its a piss take and yet people think its a great move.....
 
1966_and_all_that said:
I saw it and agree with you. However, John Crace in the Guardian says it better than I could:

"Keir Starmer was pitch perfect. Emotionally and verbally literate. When he spoke of love, you felt it. He understands grief. That when we are grieving for the Queen we are allowing ourselves to grieve for ourselves. For the mothers and grandmothers we have lost. Or never even had. For the hopes and dreams that will never be fulfilled. For the family that remains out of reach.

"The Labour leader gets the Freudian subtext. Death’s psychological meaning. That no matter how we may try to fill the gap of someone’s death, part of us will remain inconsolable. Which is how it should be. As that is how we perpetuate the love we do not want to let go of.

"At times Starmer sounded spiritual – almost religious – as he talked of the capacity for the Queen to dwell with us in our pain. Almost as if he was inviting us to make the comparison between the empathy of a monarch and the coldness of an uncaring government. He was so powerful, so convincing, that even the Tory frontbench nodded along when he told us she was the person to whom we turned for comfort during the pandemic. She was a leader we could trust."
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Utter B*****ks !!

As someone who has lost both parents in the last 2 years, I found his condescension to be utterly vile and offensive that he had the temerity to tell me what I should be feeling and how I should be dealing with the grief. Especially on that would have been my father's birthday and just a few days before the first anniversary of his passing and the 2nd anniversary of my mother's passing
 
kuriousoranj said:
What like..

Taking a sledgehammer to dirty Russian money in the UK (2017)
National free broadband
Caution against a world wide pandemic (a year before a worldwide pandemic)
Warning David Cameron many times about PPE in hospitals in case of a worldwide pandemic.
Renationalise all energy and water companies
Free higher Education
Free dental treatment
Confirmatory vote on Brexit so people have a better understanding of exactly what they voted for?
Properly funded NHS
Billionaires/corporations paying the right amount of tax.
Closing down offshore tax havens.
etc..
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When you read that list it’s makes you wonder “what if?”
At the time people couldn’t work out how on Earth that could be funded

COVID showed it could have been, yet at the time it didn’t make sense economically.
 
Bend it like Suddick said:
Genuinely I only have a vague recollection of some of these. But that's my point, plus as a Non Labour supporter, I didn't give a lot of creedence
to his political viewpoint and related speeches.
In a lot of ways its sad that a Peppa Pig offering has more gravitas with people than one for Free Higher Education, PPE and dental treatment.
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It has gravitas with people who don't have any.
 
April13th1970 said:
Utter B*****ks !!

As someone who has lost both parents in the last 2 years, I found his condescension to be utterly vile and offensive that he had the temerity to tell me what I should be feeling and how I should be dealing with the grief. Especially on that would have been my father's birthday and just a few days before the first anniversary of his passing and the 2nd anniversary of my mother's passing
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Perhaps the generality of his comments, made for consumption across the national range of his readership were not intended to be taken to heart so specifically by you. He was not condescending at all.
 
Chunkylad said:
When you read that list it’s makes you wonder “what if?”
At the time people couldn’t work out how on Earth that could be funded

COVID showed it could have been, yet at the time it didn’t make sense economically.
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At least we might have had something to show for our money at the end of it.
 
glasshalffull said:
At least we might have had something to show for our money at the end of it.
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Labour would've spunked loads on the pandemic, make no mistake. Look at Canada or NZ, still ** around with daft tech and restrictions which does fuck all.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
And your considered assessment of Labour fiscal policy is derived from your thoughts on what?
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My eyes, ears and brain. When Keith is not wanting to open up in the middle of last year (just one example), you get the picture. Leftism has shit a brick over Covid, that's a fact from a previously Labour card carrying member (I voted for Keith btw).
 
rockontommy said:
My eyes, ears and brain. When Keith is not wanting to open up in the middle of last year (just one example), you get the picture. Leftism has shit a brick over Covid, that's a fact from a previously Labour card carrying member (I voted for Keith btw).
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Well it's at least better to communicate with words than silly emojis. You write as if you're too individualistic to accept the disciplines of party politics. Then again, if you have been a card carrier then get a grip and get back on the bus. The Tories are seriously selfish and nasty people. I hope you aren't.
 
rockontommy said:
Labour would've spunked loads on the pandemic, make no mistake. Look at Canada or NZ, still ** around with daft tech and restrictions which does fuck all.
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Yes I think you are probably right on that. The only counter argument really is some of the extraordinary sums the Tories spent in some areas and on Track and Trace in particular. Probably evened things up a bit.
 
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1966_and_all_that said:
Well it's at least better to communicate with words than silly emojis. You write as if you're too individualistic to accept the disciplines of party politics. Then again, if you have been a card carrier then get a grip and get back on the bus. The Tories are seriously selfish and nasty people. I hope you aren't.
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Cheap shots aside, the Labour Party are not for me right now. The moment any party apologises for the last two years, I'll be all in.
 
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I’m surprised he chose to discuss jam-making as it’s such a sticky subject.
I’m surprised he discussed gardens and gardening cos there was a risk that ‘off with the head’ would be misinterpreted by her trusty aides. Shame it wasn’t.🤣
 
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Bend it like Suddick said:
Thats my point, you have listened to him to get an opinion on his oratorial skills.

If it was Starmer, you would have turned to another TV channel
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A very spurious argument and one you can’t really take seriously. I listened to him speak because he was the leader of the UK and I had a vested interest in what he had to say. Then, when he opened his mouth, he managed to spend a long time saying absolutely fuck all. I’d sooner vote for a boring leader who made me want to change channel, as long as he was somewhat competent and didn’t use his own hubris to destroy himself, his party and the nation.

I honestly think it’s shameful at this point anybody remotely defending BJ. I’m certainly no Tory but there have been plenty of admirable, sincere conservatives who command respect over the years. He is not one.
 
I am no fan of Mr Corbyn; but there's nothing wrong with what he's written. I think it's quite sweet for a fella who would see the abolition of the monarchy.
 
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