Johnson gone

Archibald Knox said:
Rish! and Conservative Central Office would have to agree for Bozo to take over as Tory candidate for Mad Nad Dorries seat in the next general election...
Which they won’t, until hell freezes over.
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You`d think not, Archie.

But if Sunak was faced with a flurry of Johnson supporting MP`s telling him they may stand down immediately if he doesn`t do just that, it may give him a three pipe conundrum...
 
Archibald Knox said:
Rish! and Conservative Central Office would have to agree for Bozo to take over as Tory candidate for Mad Nad Dorries seat in the next general election...
Which they won’t, until hell freezes over.
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Purely hypothetical but he could stand as an independent or for another party or threaten to do so in order to get approval ?

All very unlikely but not impossible.

I guess nothing is impossible, time to blow up Parliament and start again but let's have a bit of pain for Sunak first.
 
spudgun said:
You`d think not, Archie.

But if Sunak was faced with a flurry of Johnson supporting MP`s telling him they may stand down immediately if he doesn`t do just that, it may give him a three pipe conundrum...
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Spot on Spud.

I didn't see your post before mine but Sunak's reliance on Johnson's allies make such a return even less impossible.

Still unlikely as you suggest but no doubt more believable than some of the deals that the clowns have already made.
 
Always tangerine said:
Absolutely shocking " honours" list , a list more of those dishonoured. Michael Fabricant presumably knighted for his herpes, sorry hairpiece, what else is he known for..Various people involved in Partygate given honours , talentless Patel and Mogg too. A final emission of noxious substances from Johnson as he departs. Has done huge damage to our country. Now he can devote himself to building up his millions, his belly and fathering more Johnsons.
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Now that all the new peerages have been dished out, this time of Boris' friends and financial backers, after being approved by Rishi and they're all off to be measured for their ermine, it really is time for the Lords to be abolished and to have the second House elected
Sick of people buying their knighthoods, peerages etc by making party and "personal"donations or by being someone's father!
 
Looks like campaigning for the bye elections has already started, a friend of mine in North Somerset got a letter today inviting him too elect Ricity Bill
 
Davepick said:
Does this mean that BoJo will never be Knighted?
Hope so.
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Well, Bozo is extremely unlikely to be made a Knight of the Garter or in the Royal Victorian Order, both of which are wholly in the gift of the Sovereign and are customary for ex-PMs, because it was proven that he LIED to HM Queen Elizabeth II, to her face, in trying to prorogue Parliament. That will forever be held against him.

If he continues his Tory infighting, Sunak will blank him and, if elected, Starmer will too as he detests Bozo.
 
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spudgun said:
You`d think not, Archie.

But if Sunak was faced with a flurry of Johnson supporting MP`s telling him they may stand down immediately if he doesn`t do just that, it may give him a three pipe conundrum...
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I think Sunak would call their bluff. Most MPs loyalty is based on self-interest in not losing their seats. And if Sunak faced a sizeable Bozo-inspired rebellion I think he’d think “sod this for a game of soldiers, general election it is then”. Better that than humiliation.
 
Archibald Knox said:
I think Sunak would call their bluff. Most MPs loyalty is based on self-interest in not losing their seats. And if Sunak faced a sizeable Bozo-inspired rebellion I think he’d think “sod this for a game of soldiers, general election it is then”. Better that than humiliation.
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This is the end of Johnson, he will never lead the country or Conservative party again IMO
He has about 20 supporters in parliament, if they all resigned (unlikely) Sunak still keeps a parliamentary majority despite the embarrassment and humiliation of losing a few bi-elections.. The rest of the party, including people sympathetic to Johnson are sick of the pantomime. The more this looks like a coordinated attack, which it is, the worse it looks for Johnson. Johnson's aim, IMO, is to humiliate Sunak and contribute towards the loss of the next election - after which he thinks he will be welcomed back as leader of the opposition. However, surely the sane Conservatives will want him completely banned from the party, who would want a leader who will deliberately try to sabotage his own party?
There is plenty more sleaze to come out both in the select committees findings and in the COVID enquiry. Another angle is Johnson's honours list where he has given a life peerage to a young woman who was his researcher (for some strange reason she resembles both Jennifer Accuri and Carrie Johnson) - details here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlotte_Owen.. Can anyone seriously justify this appointment?
 
ElBurroSinNombre said:
This is the end of Johnson, he will never lead the country or Conservative party again IMO
He has about 20 supporters in parliament, if they all resigned (unlikely) Sunak still keeps a parliamentary majority despite the embarrassment and humiliation of losing a few bi-elections.. The rest of the party, including people sympathetic to Johnson are sick of the pantomime. The more this looks like a coordinated attack, which it is, the worse it looks for Johnson. Johnson's aim, IMO, is to humiliate Sunak and contribute towards the loss of the next election - after which he thinks he will be welcomed back as leader of the opposition. However, surely the sane Conservatives will want him completely banned from the party, who would want a leader who will deliberately try to sabotage his own party?
There is plenty more sleaze to come out both in the select committees findings and in the COVID enquiry. Another angle is Johnson's honours list where he has given a life peerage to a young woman who was his researcher (for some strange reason she resembles both Jennifer Accuri and Carrie Johnson) - details here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlotte_Owen.. Can anyone seriously justify this appointment?
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So I would guess the only way back to parliament for Johnson would be to form a fringe party with Farage and Co. Surely this would see him on the sidelines of politics for life.
 
ElBurroSinNombre said:
The more this looks like a coordinated attack, which it is, the worse it looks for Johnson. Johnson's aim, IMO, is to humiliate Sunak and contribute towards the loss of the next election - after which he thinks he will be welcomed back as leader of the opposition.
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Whilst I agree that Johnson would like to depose Sunak and then lead in opposition - because throwing rocks is his forte, not the difficult questions and hard choices of governance - I don`t really see this as a co-ordinated attack.

Read a good piece by Henry Hill of `Conservative Home` (who I think has come to the fore recently as a political commentator) describing this as "not a countercoup, but a series of tantrums". Dorries and Adams presumably because they have been denied the glittering prize of a peerage, and Johnson because his ego cannot accept fault or failure and always seeks to blame others.

It has been suggested that there is one other MP mulling it over, possibly Alister Jack.

Hopefully Johnson will now depart main stream politics to spend more time with his ego...
 
Whilst Johnson is in the media it will only seek to boost his appearance fees. So wrong 😑 but still some people will lap up his after dinner rant’s.
 
So reading between the lines of what the PM said today, Nads and Sharma's peerages were blocked by the Lords approval body, and resigned because Boris had promised it.
 
Tangerinemoss said:
So reading between the lines of what the PM said today, Nads and Sharma's peerages were blocked by the Lords approval body, and resigned because Boris had promised it.
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Yes. So in short the unelected PM decided to block the elected PMs wishes because he didn't think they were right.

The unelected PM that came 2nd in popularity contest within his own party to Liz Truss.

Will McKenzie - sorry Rishi Sunak better watch his back and not go near buses because there will be a lot of people to push him under one. Power hungry little weasel.
 
Tangerinemoss said:
So reading between the lines of what the PM said today, Nads and Sharma's peerages were blocked by the Lords approval body, and resigned because Boris had promised it.
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I didn't think that Sharma has resigned, I thought it was Adams, Dorries and Sharma denied peerages, the first two have resigned (I thought).
It has been reported that Sharma is ready to resign but he hasn't yet.
spudgun said:
Read a good piece by Henry Hill of `Conservative Home` (who I think has come to the fore recently as a political commentator) describing this as "not a countercoup, but a series of tantrums". Dorries and Adams presumably because they have been denied the glittering prize of a peerage, and Johnson because his ego cannot accept fault or failure and always seeks to blame others.
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if there is a steady drip, drip, drip of resignations over the next few weeks then it must be coordinated. If these two are the only ones then maybe the analysis above is correct.

In any case, this is a massive misjudgment by Johnson IMO, in order to try to gain some traction over events the narcissist has ended his career at Westminster. I can understand why he is angry as the rules that most live by have rarely been applied to him - but in this case for once they have - he will have difficlty processing this. His disgraceful smears on committee members should also be punished somehow. And Starmer should seek to unappoint his peers (along with those of Truss) when/if he becomes PM. Johnson was forced by his own party to resign in disgrace and now he has left the commons in disgrace.
 
Mad Nad Dorries has an entirely different take on what happened.
To be fair to her, which usually I am not, her version sounds entirely plausible. Even if published in the Daily Heil.

It seems Rish! has tried to be too Machiavellian for his own good. Using his lack of precise instructions to the Lords committee in order to be able to blame them for “removing names”. Since without receiving the instructions to re-vet the MPs and asking the MPs to formally agree with HOLAC that they would resign within 6 months to take up their peerages, as sitting MPs they could not be included on the HOLAC list.

Vetting is only valid for 6 months and Johnson’s list was submitted longer ago than that. Probably when Truss was briefly PM and Sunak stalled on it after taking over.

And then Rish! was free to claim that he personally had not removed any names from Johnson’s list. Even though he had acted (by omission) and vicariously through his political secretary. HOLAC could simply not have included them as sitting MPs without his guidance. Nothing in writing. No fingerprints.

Whatever the truth, and I am not sure, it pours more petrol on the internal Tory fiery feud. 🔥
But I think all but a few Tory MPs have come around to the view they want rid of Johnson and any means justifies that end.
www.dailymail.co.uk

NADINE DORRIES: Sinister forces stopped me reaching House of Lords

NADINE DORRIES: When our former PM Boris Johnson told me I had been included in his resignation honours list, I was overwhelmed.
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Johnson will never want to be Leader of the Opposition. That is very hard work, holding the Govt to account in all they do, without having any of the perks and conveniences and power of being PM. Johnson is a lazy, amoral chancer and not interested in actual work. After swanning around in Chequers and pi55ing it up on the Govt expense account for three years, do you think he and Carrie would settle for much less?

Johnson may re-enlist as a columnist with the Daily Telegraph from where he can throw his rocks at Sunak and be paid half a million for doing so. However, the DT is up for sale and new owners might not be so accommodating.
 
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