Junkie scum in this town

Memphisboy said:
You’ve gone from a long time in prison to hopefully getting jail time. People need to wise up people don’t go to jail anymore for these type of events unfortunately it’s too expensive. Anyway well done but the wetwipe do gooding society nowadays will intervene as usual.
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Pulling a knife on someone, especially a minor and robbing them is guaranteed jail time. I suspect that these 2 dickheads also have a lot of previous that will go against them
 
I am not sure legalising drugs would help things and could spread even wider use with younger people, like vaping has increased in the last few years.
I am also not sure that legalising drugs would be helpful to the type of scrotes in the original post. They would probably be looking to rob people to feed their habit whether legaised or not. Drugs, alcohol, probably no jobs, poor education, poor housing, poor health and little hope. Society needs to address the wider problems, not just the drug one. Unfortunately, successive governments and councils (of every party) have let traditional seaside resorts decline and have used them to 'dump' problem cases from cities. Ironic when most investment and funding has gone into city areas.
Well done to Briggsy for the action he took. I hope the lad is OK.
 
Well done Briggsy ,there needs to be more people like you around .
As for the scroats who attacked this lad - they will not give a flying fk beyond the inconvenience of being arrested .
There is a section of society which is parasitic and has no regard whatsoever for fellow citizens .

I'm what you might describe as left of centre in terms of politics but in a country which is supposed to have a shortage of labour how do we have legions of men who doss about having kids, using drugs and alcohol to excess and contributing fk all to the communities they live in .Having kids with no intention of supporting them,indeed being a negative in them kids lives.

Have a walk down central drive or Dickson road any say of the week.

There are a lot of people who have had a tough life but they don't go around mugging teenagers, disabled people older people etc.

These problems are often intergenerational and I'm coming to the conclusion they are just twats .

Nothing to do with mental health, shit housing .

Not sure what the answer is but going work and paying your way should not be a choice thing .The devil makes work....
 
Bisphamtang said:
Well done Briggsy ,there needs to be more people like you around .
As for the scroats who attacked this lad - they will not give a flying fk beyond the inconvenience of being arrested .
There is a section of society which is parasitic and has no regard whatsoever for fellow citizens .

I'm what you might describe as left of centre in terms of politics but in a country which is supposed to have a shortage of labour how do we have legions of men who doss about having kids, using drugs and alcohol to excess and contributing fk all to the communities they live in .Having kids with no intention of supporting them,indeed being a negative in them kids lives.

Have a walk down central drive or Dickson road any say of the week.

There are a lot of people who have had a tough life but they don't go around mugging teenagers, disabled people older people etc.

These problems are often intergenerational and I'm coming to the conclusion they are just twats .

Nothing to do with mental health, shit housing .

Not sure what the answer is but going work and paying your way should not be a choice thing .The devil makes work....
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It's called tax credits, the country is paying the dossers and scumbags to have children, who, quelle surprise, grow up to become dossers and scumbags themselves, while at the same time taxing the productive workers out of existence, with the end result an ever-growing army of the former, and fewer and fewer of the latter to pay the taxes to fund the prison places that are needed.

It's madness.
 
CAGU said:
Magistrates in some towns told not to jail anybody as there’s no room in the prisons!
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Magistrates, IIRC, can only jail up to six months, although they can refer those they convict to Crown Court for sentencing, which always seemed a bit odd to me.

My understanding is that the latest instructions are not to jail anyone for less than one year, so no magistrate should now be jailing anyone, so some pretty serious offences are going more or less unpunished.

This is what the breakdown of society looks like.
 
todayistheday said:
Who gives a shit.
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Presumably the young lad in the OP, anyone else who's been mugged, beaten up, etc by these sorts of scumbags, anyone who's worried about the same happening to them or loved ones in the future for a start, or anyone who's paying taxes to fund the criminal justice system that isn't controlling the situation properly.

Basically, quite a lot of people.
 
We were out for dinner with a high court judge last night. He said that in the last 3 years, the only appeals he had had against his criminal judgements were for too harsh a sentence. 1 was upheld.
 
Chunkylad said:
We were out for dinner with a high court judge last night. He said that in the last 3 years, the only appeals he had had against his criminal judgements were for too harsh a sentence. 1 was upheld.
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Get you out for dinner with a High Court Judge
 
So what are the best solutions people have?

Ones I mentioned are improving the town over time, replacing bad housing for good, building up more and more good people in these areas. Gentrification in some respects but also just improving things for people there. More people are then paying taxes, get people into work, more paying tax means more to spend on the town in many ways.

The central areas are bad in some ways, but there's also many good people there who have to put up with these idiots.

Being tough on crime, lock these idiots away, discouraging anti-social behaviour. Many different ways to do that including technological advances. Making areas nicer can help with the broken window theory.

Making Blackpool better so that the next generation have more opportunity, better education etc so that'll reduce the issue over time. Already well underway and much more to do of course. There's already a lot more opportunities than in the past where many felt they had to leave for work etc, so retaining more good Blackpool people means things are going in the right direction.

There's also the greening up of the town, which is happening, 10k or more trees were being planted, but the central areas are badly lacking and have very few quick wins like grass verges to plant into, meaning it needs physical work to reconfigure streets etc. Greenery is well known to be good for us in many ways, mental health, calming, less anger etc.

Add all that together and it will have an impact, but it won't be a quick fix, although some could be in place fairly quickly.

The quickest way would be if a party got into power with a backbone and get tough on crime.
 
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JJpool said:
So what are the best solutions people have?

Ones I mentioned are improving the town over time, replacing bad housing for good, building up more and more good people in these areas. Gentrification in some respects but also just improving things for people there. More people are then paying taxes, get people into work, more paying tax means more to spend on the town in many ways.

The central areas are bad in some ways, but there's also many good people there who have to put up with these idiots.

Being tough on crime, lock these idiots away, discouraging anti-social behaviour. Many different ways to do that including technological advances. Making areas nicer can help with the broken window theory.

Making Blackpool better so that the next generation have more opportunity, better education etc so that'll reduce the issue over time. Already well underway and much more to do of course. There's already a lot more opportunities than in the past where many felt they had to leave for work etc, so retaining more good Blackpool people means things are going in the right direction.

There's also the greening up of the town, which is happening, 10k or more trees were being planted, but the central areas are badly lacking and have very few quick wins like grass verges to plant into, meaning it needs physical work to reconfigure streets etc. Greenery is well known to be good for us in many ways, mental health, calming, less anger etc.

Add all that together and it will have an impact, but it won't be a quick fix, although some could be in place fairly quickly.

The quickest way would be if a party got into power with a backbone and get tough on crime.
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The issue for many towns in the north has been location away from money hungry London.
The move to a more IT skilled economy negates that to a great deal so it pays to have your tech company away from expensive offices and just travel to London for meetings.
Look at Dundee - it’s getting a real name for itself as the world’s Gaming hub. So many top games are coded there and it’s becoming the place to go to Uni or post grad if you want to work in graphics or game design. At the moment there is no pull to Blackpool.
 
JJpool said:
So what are the best solutions people have?

Ones I mentioned are improving the town over time, replacing bad housing for good, building up more and more good people in these areas. Gentrification in some respects but also just improving things for people there. More people are then paying taxes, get people into work, more paying tax means more to spend on the town in many ways.

The central areas are bad in some ways, but there's also many good people there who have to put up with these idiots.

Being tough on crime, lock these idiots away, discouraging anti-social behaviour. Many different ways to do that including technological advances. Making areas nicer can help with the broken window theory.

Making Blackpool better so that the next generation have more opportunity, better education etc so that'll reduce the issue over time. Already well underway and much more to do of course. There's already a lot more opportunities than in the past where many felt they had to leave for work etc, so retaining more good Blackpool people means things are going in the right direction.

There's also the greening up of the town, which is happening, 10k or more trees were being planted, but the central areas are badly lacking and have very few quick wins like grass verges to plant into, meaning it needs physical work to reconfigure streets etc. Greenery is well known to be good for us in many ways, mental health, calming, less anger etc.

Add all that together and it will have an impact, but it won't be a quick fix, although some could be in place fairly quickly.

The quickest way would be if a party got into power with a backbone and get tough on crime.
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Agree with most of that.

The problem with all that though is, if we raise our game as a town, you are just redirecting the problem to another town, because the people who are currently bringing Blackpool down will still be around, they may just move on.

The government should really be focussing on the enabling of the behaviour and stamping it out. There is no incentive for them to just move the problem on. It may as well be Blackpool taking the hit as any other town.
 
Chunkylad said:
The issue for many towns in the north has been location away from money hungry London.
The move to a more IT skilled economy negates that to a great deal so it pays to have your tech company away from expensive offices and just travel to London for meetings.
Look at Dundee - it’s getting a real name for itself as the world’s Gaming hub. So many top games are coded there and it’s becoming the place to go to Uni or post grad if you want to work in graphics or game design. At the moment there is no pull to Blackpool.
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Well with the new 'multiversity' it'll improve the towns offerings, less need to move away, bringing a student culture and hopefully more after this one, which helps regeneration.


Also they are going for things like this, to utilise fact fact that Blackpool is the landing point for the undersea Internet cables to new York.

www.placenorthwest.co.uk

Blackpool ramps up delivery of Silicon Sands data cluster - Place North West

Aiming to exploit the enterprise zone’s ultra-fast internet speeds, the council is progressing plans for a “high-tech business park” targeting the advanced manufacturing, virtual reality, and esports industries.
www.placenorthwest.co.uk www.placenorthwest.co.uk
 
Lala said:
Agree with most of that.

The problem with all that though is, if we raise our game as a town, you are just redirecting the problem to another town, because the people who are currently bringing Blackpool down will still be around, they may just move on.

The government should really be focussing on the enabling of the behaviour and stamping it out. There is no incentive for them to just move the problem on. It may as well be Blackpool taking the hit as any other town.
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Maybe and tbh if some people move back 'home' or elsewhere then so be it.

Although as said, if people are committing crimes, the problem people, some will take themselves out of the equation.

There's tons of help available these days. Of course, people have to want it.

Improving things for the next generation so they get a better education, better town, more jobs etc does take time.

Also when not such a cheap area it won't attract thr lowest people as much, also stop moving them from other places. Over time locals filling these areas rather than importing scum will have an impact.

But the conditions, not many jobs, poor area etc that led to some falling into crime etc shouldn't exist as much so the next generation should be better.

You almost have to do all you can to help them and improve things, but live it through in the knowledge the next generation will be better.
 
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