Kevin Phillips

NPL is only Tier 7 football!

Phillips managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory last season for South Shields and failed to get them promoted when in a strong position, but looks to have done what was expected this season.

South Shields have by far the biggest budget in the NPL and should walk that league. He has done nothing yet to suggest he should be in contention for a job in the football league.

Ex Pool keeper Myles Boney has been in goal for them for the last couple of seasons...
 
TangerineBayern said:
We need to stop this ex player becoming our next manager love in unless they absolutely tick the right boxes. At the moment we’re heading to L1 and the Board has made some serious mistakes this season and they need to get the next appointment spot on.
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We missed out on Evo,Stuart merely saying he’s well under the radar and had a class career as a player.
 
Tangerinetiltingatwindmil said:
We missed out on Evo,Stuart merely saying he’s well under the radar and had a class career as a player.
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l get that Dave but KPs not proven at all and although Evo has done well at Notlob we can’t afford to make any more rash appointments. Larry failed miserably, Critchley in my view started to lose the plot in the last 10 games, Applecart was an absolute car crash and MM is picking up the pieces.
 
I give this a lot of thought generally. Not KP specifically, managers in general.

Bottom line is we can speculate all we like, no one's got a clue who's best to take over because anyone is just as likely to fail as they are to succeed.

Because someone's last job, or even jobs, ended in failure doesn't necessarily mean they're going to fail somewhere else. Equally hiring a previously successful one doesn't guarantee success.

It's always a gamble. The board can take as much time as they like to make what is considered to be a good choice, but it's still in the balance as to whether it comes off or not.

My own choice for example, Simmo. Great player, comments knowledgeably whenever he's covering one of our games. What he says gives the impression he's aware of our players strengths, and I've heard him say how or what he'd like to see them doing/used to make a difference to what he's watching. Surely in actual game time, that's exactly what you want from your man in charge? Doesn't mean it'll work though.

The best managers also usually have the best players to pick from, albeit they may set them up better suited to their strengths. I know I'll get pelters for this, bit how good actually was Ferguson? He had access to probably the best group of youth talent most of us have ever seen. Add the best goalkeeper of that era, and they were halfway to becoming the best side in the land already, plus a couple of great additions like Cantona. But once he'd saved his job he signed as much failure as he did success. Utds team virtually picked itself for 2-3 years.

So the whole thing is a joint effort, hopefully with the Cov lads on board we can source the best players in our own range. But for the actual manager, you just have to have a clear picture of where you want to be in 1, 3, 5 years and how you want to get there with style of play, budget, club structure etc. Then appoint someone you believe will deliver it.

The best example of what I'm waffling about is when the Neighbours appointed Moyes. Anyone outside of the immediate circle raised eyebrows and said panic appointment/cheap etc. But their board were always confident they had the right man, and they were proved correct.

So if we go for Dobbie, Charlie, KP etc their lack of experience doesn't concern me at all. I want someone who lives and breathes the place, understands how we've (nearly always) tried to play and uses the squad to the best of its capabilities. Which is why I personally choose Simmo.

My only concern is whether we have the right people assessing the candidates. Maybe we lack the advisory knowledge of yesteryear, but maybe also the new recruitment people can bring something to that.
 
How about Kevin Nolan? Player manager at Orient & Notts County a few years ago. Been one of the assistants at WHU for over three years. Would fit the bill of an up and coming coach.
 
CGP1 said:
The best managers also usually have the best players to pick from, albeit they may set them up better suited to their strengths. I know I'll get pelters for this, bit how good actually was Ferguson? He had access to probably the best group of youth talent most of us have ever seen. Add the best goalkeeper of that era, and they were halfway to becoming the best side in the land already, plus a couple of great additions like Cantona. But once he'd saved his job he signed as much failure as he did success. Utds team virtually picked itself for 2-3 years.
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You`re right. You do deserve pelters!:)

The best managers usually have the best players because they generally have earned the right to manage the best by proving themselves with lesser players.

And Ferguson was undoubtedly one of the best ever. Surely that`s a given...
 
It's a real conundrum who to choose as the next manager/head coach, if we go for someone out of work, he'll obviously have failed somewhere else. If we go for someone untried, they may not have the experience required but they've got to start somewhere.
Definitely needs to be someone the fans can get behind after the Appleton shambles, but who is that man?
Whoever it is let's just make it a two year contract, eh Ben?

Simmo would be a decent shout, seems to be going well at Carlisle but if they get promoted and we get relegated, would he be interested? Certainly staying in The Championship would make us a more attractive prospect, to whoever it is.
 
CGP1 said:
I give this a lot of thought generally. Not KP specifically, managers in general.

Bottom line is we can speculate all we like, no one's got a clue who's best to take over because anyone is just as likely to fail as they are to succeed.

Because someone's last job, or even jobs, ended in failure doesn't necessarily mean they're going to fail somewhere else. Equally hiring a previously successful one doesn't guarantee success.

It's always a gamble. The board can take as much time as they like to make what is considered to be a good choice, but it's still in the balance as to whether it comes off or not.

My own choice for example, Simmo. Great player, comments knowledgeably whenever he's covering one of our games. What he says gives the impression he's aware of our players strengths, and I've heard him say how or what he'd like to see them doing/used to make a difference to what he's watching. Surely in actual game time, that's exactly what you want from your man in charge? Doesn't mean it'll work though.

The best managers also usually have the best players to pick from, albeit they may set them up better suited to their strengths. I know I'll get pelters for this, bit how good actually was Ferguson? He had access to probably the best group of youth talent most of us have ever seen. Add the best goalkeeper of that era, and they were halfway to becoming the best side in the land already, plus a couple of great additions like Cantona. But once he'd saved his job he signed as much failure as he did success. Utds team virtually picked itself for 2-3 years.

So the whole thing is a joint effort, hopefully with the Cov lads on board we can source the best players in our own range. But for the actual manager, you just have to have a clear picture of where you want to be in 1, 3, 5 years and how you want to get there with style of play, budget, club structure etc. Then appoint someone you believe will deliver it.

The best example of what I'm waffling about is when the Neighbours appointed Moyes. Anyone outside of the immediate circle raised eyebrows and said panic appointment/cheap etc. But their board were always confident they had the right man, and they were proved correct.

So if we go for Dobbie, Charlie, KP etc their lack of experience doesn't concern me at all. I want someone who lives and breathes the place, understands how we've (nearly always) tried to play and uses the squad to the best of its capabilities. Which is why I personally choose Simmo.

My only concern is whether we have the right people assessing the candidates. Maybe we lack the advisory knowledge of yesteryear, but maybe also the new recruitment people can bring something to that.
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Mick McCarthy has stated that Blackpool is his swansong, and that if we don't stay up, he wouldn't be wanted here next season. If we manage to stay up, I would want to keep Mick McCarthy because quite a few players contracts are up in June, and he would have a full summer transfer window to reassemble his new squad.
If McCarthy does go after this season, I think Simmo would be a brilliant choice, but whoever we get ideally needs to have their squad in place before pre-season training.
Your comments about Alex Ferguson are interesting. He did superb with Aberdeen before being poached by Manchester United. At the time, I felt the job seemed too big for him, and I can't quite remember which team were beating them in an FA Cup match, (It could have been Oldham,) but Mark Hughes scored a screamer and I feel that goal saved Ferguson's job, much as I wish United had lost that particular game. After that his managerial career went from strength to strength.
Going back to Blackpool, we desperately need to win at BoRRRistol, so come on lads, do the business today.
🧡UTMP🧡
 
Ah yes, was it Forest in the cup, Mark Robins?

Sorry, what I meant about Ferguson was his record isn't in question, of course it isn't. But with the calibre of what Utd had coming the ranks it's hard to judge how good he actually was. Later on he made plenty of poor signings as well as good ones.

Anyway I probably shouldn't have put that, it wasn't what the post was about.
 
spudgun said:
You`re right. You do deserve pelters!:)

The best managers usually have the best players because they generally have earned the right to manage the best by proving themselves with lesser players.

And Ferguson was undoubtedly one of the best ever. Surely that`s a given...
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Much as I disliked Ferguson's attitude to the game and have some sympathy with the post questioning several aspects of his record, he proved at Aberdeen that he was an excellent coach.
 
Evo did a great job at Barrow with a small budget playing a possession based style absolutely nothing like what KP has done at South Shields
 
Connections with South Shields.
My Grandad (who I never met) & Grandma lived, and were married in South Shields.
Then went to S Africa where Mum was born.
Grandad was in the River Tyne Police for a time.
 
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