Khan wins!!!!!

Wizaard said:
Ah, the old stats are wrong because they don't support my perception😉🤣
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No, unless you're saying things are getting better under the Tories?

What I'm saying is what you see with your eyes, articles and reports, plus what people tell you and for a lot of things the police don't get involved.

So things may look stable in thr number of reported crimes but could be rising.

Anyone can fiddle with the figures.
 
JJpool said:
No, unless you're saying things are getting better under the Tories?

What I'm saying is what you see with your eyes, articles and reports, plus what people tell you and for a lot of things the police don't get involved.

So things may look stable in thr number of reported crimes but could be rising.

Anyone can fiddle with the figures.
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Do you live in London?
 
Costero Poderoso said:
I think we've had this discussion before, even if you have compulsory voting with none of the above there still isn't a mechanism to take account of a majority none of the above vote, which is what has happened in London (and many other other elections(and Brexit)) other than re-running the election. My personal point of view is a lottery similar to jury service, a random person is picked and they serve a fixed term, when the next election comes round they can be on the ballot. It requires that election finance is reformed as well. The whole system is so broken that something radical needs to be done.
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Agree with your last point and I would have expanded but for the usual need for brevity. In the case of a majority NOTA (unlikely), or even a 25% NOTA, I would require a rerun based on PR. Clumsy - yes. Welcome by the electorate...doubt it. But, we are only talking about the most extreme if circumstances.
 
Costero Poderoso said:
He's won because the opposition candidate was an absolute shambles. Turn out was just 40%, he got just 43% of the turnout, less than 20% of Londoners want him as mayor. It's a damning
ndictment that the lib Dems and the greens got just a couple of percent of votes. 20% of the vote should not be a mandate to govern.
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Are you in London ? Hes actually a good Mayor. Hes had to be very calm and resilient in the face of all the abuse he gets, particularly on social media. The Government in his periods in office have made it much harder for him. With more funding for mote police from Central Government then there would be a better chance of reducing crime here in London . Hes fairly well like by many including me and has been v committed to improving the air quality around Londons roads and people with breathing issues are beginning to notice this, though a long way to go. Hes even handed across various communities in London and able to pursue a Labour agenda with some independence from the centre. Whatever the turnout he got the most votes. Need more to vote. Yes .But that wasnt encouraged by the new policy to require ID to vote.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
Agree with your last point and I would have expanded but for the usual need for brevity. In the case of a majority NOTA (unlikely), or even a 25% NOTA, I would require a rerun based on PR. Clumsy - yes. Welcome by the electorate...doubt it. But, we are only talking about the most extreme if circumstances.
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A large proportion of local elections have turnouts below 50%, quite a few parliamentary candidates are elected with turnout below 50%, so I'm not convinced that a NOTA majority would be that rare if there was mandatory voting. I think any new system would be clumsy, I also think any new system that made Politicians actually accountable and at risk of losing their (particularly safe) seats would be fought tooth and nail by politicians, and even more so by lobby groups and other political influencers.
 
Jaffa_The_Hut said:
Why do I need to live there to understand the truth?

I’ve never lived in Preston either but I know it’s a shit hole.
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The fact that you are desperate to believe something doesn't make it a "truth".

It's a multi-cultural city, and unlike you, the people who live here don't shit the bed every time they come across someone who dresses in unusual way, or has a different skin colour.
 
basilrobbie3 said:
The fact that you are desperate to believe something doesn't make it a "truth".

It's a multi-cultural city, and unlike you, the people who live here don't shit the bed every time they come across someone who dresses in unusual way, or has a different skin colour.
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Desperate to believe in? Have you actually read the news clips I’ve posted? 3 independents news forums back my comments up about crime rising.

And what the hell are you doing bringing comments up about what people wear and the colour of someone’s skin?

Just disagree with me by all means you usually do but please cut the racist/homophobic bullshit you are hinting at when my remarks are purely about crime and crime only nothing else.
 
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I see Twitter is busy pedalling the postal vote fraud as the reason Khan won. The first page of the Trump playbook.

Before it gets any credence, since 2019, more Tory MPs have been convicted of sex offences than convictions for voter fraud.
 
JJpool said:
No, unless you're saying things are getting better under the Tories?

What I'm saying is what you see with your eyes, articles and reports, plus what people tell you and for a lot of things the police don't get involved.

So things may look stable in thr number of reported crimes but could be rising.

Anyone can fiddle with the figures.
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So you don't live in London and haven't been there for many years.
When you say 'what you see with your eyes' I assume that you mean stuff that you have seen on the internet.

To put it kindly, IMO you are constructing a narrative against the Muslim mayor of London based on agenda driven crap that you read online. You are doing it again in the message above where you suggest that crime is rising because people do not report crimes - what evidence do you have of this. It is pure speculation.
 
ElBurroSinNombre said:
So you don't live in London and haven't been there for many years.
When you say 'what you see with your eyes' I assume that you mean stuff that you have seen on the internet.

To put it kindly, IMO you are constructing a narrative against the Muslim mayor of London based on agenda driven crap that you read online. You are doing it again in the message above where you suggest that crime is rising because people do not report crimes - what evidence do you have of this. It is pure speculation.
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As I thought, but I thought I'd let it play out, absolute nonsense from someone who hasn't read properly.

You've invented some narrative that fits in your head, clearly naming him as a Muslim as if if that's the reason. Basically inventing the racist agenda that fits in your head.

Go back and follow the reply chain.

Infact I'll put it here for you... When I replied to wiz....

JJpool said:
On a UK wide scale I'm not sure I'd believe things were getting better even if the stats said so, probably just be less reported crimes of a certain type.

For e.g. "Shoplifting is down, only 10 reported cases," it's just so common no-one bothers reporting it now.

Stabbings are pretty important and a sign of lawlessness.

I hope he does get a grip of things, not just him but the government and police, need to be tougher.
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What I mean by that is you can get some graph that shows Shoplifting is falling, but it's based on reported crimes and in many places people don't bother to report things now, as nothing happens, so unless stats match reality in certain areas, I'd be a little skeptical especially before and election.

He then replied and that's when I said,
JJpool said:
No, unless you're saying things are getting better under the Tories?

What I'm saying is what you see with your eyes, articles and reports, plus what people tell you and for a lot of things the police don't get involved
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I'm clearly talking generally about crime UK wide, things seem to be getting worse, not better.

I don't imagine London is any different tbh and some of the reports are certainly concerning.

But nice agenda, BTW if I do judge Khan, it'll be off his record, which many suggest isn't very good at all. That's no different to what many did recently, judging Benton who doesn't live in Blackpool South.

Poor effort 🤦‍♂️
 
JJpool said:
As I thought, but I thought I'd let it play out, absolute nonsense from someone who hasn't read properly.

You've invented some narrative that fits in your head, clearly naming him as a Muslim as if if that's the reason. Basically inventing the racist agenda that fits in your head.

Go back and follow the reply chain.

Infact I'll put it here for you... When I replied to wiz....


What I mean by that is you can get some graph that shows Shoplifting is falling, but it's based on reported crimes and in many places people don't bother to report things now, as nothing happens, so unless stats match reality in certain areas, I'd be a little skeptical especially before and election.

He then replied and that's when I said,

I'm clearly talking generally about crime UK wide, things seem to be getting worse, not better.

I don't imagine London is any different tbh and some of the reports are certainly concerning.

But nice agenda, BTW if I do judge Khan, it'll be off his record, which many suggest isn't very good at all. That's no different to what many did recently, judging Benton who doesn't live in Blackpool South.

Poor effort 🤦‍♂️
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It’s like arguing with a pig in mud with some posters on here who just don’t want to seem to accept facts anymore. 🐷
 
JJpool said:
As I thought, but I thought I'd let it play out, absolute nonsense from someone who hasn't read properly.

You've invented some narrative that fits in your head, clearly naming him as a Muslim as if if that's the reason. Basically inventing the racist agenda that fits in your head.

Go back and follow the reply chain.

Infact I'll put it here for you... When I replied to wiz....


What I mean by that is you can get some graph that shows Shoplifting is falling, but it's based on reported crimes and in many places people don't bother to report things now, as nothing happens, so unless stats match reality in certain areas, I'd be a little skeptical especially before and election.

He then replied and that's when I said,

I'm clearly talking generally about crime UK wide, things seem to be getting worse, not better.

I don't imagine London is any different tbh and some of the reports are certainly concerning.

But nice agenda, BTW if I do judge Khan, it'll be off his record, which many suggest isn't very good at all. That's no different to what many did recently, judging Benton who doesn't live in Blackpool South.

Poor effort 🤦‍♂️
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Why haven't you started a thread about say Andy Burnham?
There is a higher crime rate in Manchester than London and you may have actually been there.
 
Wizzerboy said:
Because unless you actually live in place X you have no right to have an opinion on anything about that place.
Simple avftt rules JJ👍🏻
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Yep but as mentioned so many had a view on Benton who don't live in Blackpool, surely they weren't basing that off media reports etc.
 
ElBurroSinNombre said:
Why haven't you started a thread about say Andy Burnham?
There is a higher crime rate in Manchester than London and you may have actually been there.
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So you haven't even attempted to defend the post and have been caught with your pants down making up an agenda and now seek to shift the questioning to another mayor.

Did I start this thread? No.

Dear oh dear.
 
Jaffa_The_Hut said:
It’s like arguing with a pig in mud with some posters on here who just don’t want to seem to accept facts anymore. 🐷
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I agree it is hard to have a decent debate. Especially with people who don't know the difference between a fact and an opinion. Or with people who spend their entire life in an echo chamber so as not to hear anything that might challenge their rigid world view. :)
 
ElBurroSinNombre said:
Why haven't you started a thread about say Andy Burnham?
There is a higher crime rate in Manchester than London and you may have actually been there.
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I live in West Yorkshire and the crime rate is the highest of them all, but hey, let's bash London on false material.

I see Tommy Robinson has posted that all the newly elected mayors have secretly converted to Islam. His mental followers will believe him too.
 
JJpool said:
So you haven't even attempted to defend the post and have been caught with your pants down making up an agenda and now seek to shift the questioning to another mayor.

Did I start this thread? No.

Dear oh dear.
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You seem to be very defensive about something JJ. I make no comment but why should that be?
 
Lala said:
To show her more of the sights really, she’s only been once. And I fancy a trip to Borough Market on top of the usual sight seeing.

And of course, a bit of retail therapy 🥹
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Borough Market is a great browse. We went before getting on Ashley's boat to Charlton
 
1966_and_all_that said:
You seem to be very defensive about something JJ. I make no comment but why should that be?
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What are you suggesting?

So if someone makes a false assumption that you're judging someone because of their religion you can't defend yourself? Despite the fact I wasn't in that post even discussung the mayor but talking about UK crime, so a complete non starter.
 
Wilburrabbit said:
Don’t fall for the lies mate. The ULEZ scheme has been expanded into areas that are nothing to do with poor air quality and are bordering the countryside in places. This is being done using statistics from central London which are irrelevant.

As I stated the air quality for those travelling on the underground is at toxic levels and ten times above the recommended maximum limits.

It’s clear that this is less about caring for people and air quality and more about money grabbing.
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Is there any chance that even in those semi rural areas, less air polluting cars are passing by the Ulez cameras?

Yes it’s a stealth tax however at least it actually does improve air quality.
 
Chunkylad said:
Is there any chance that even in those semi rural areas, less air polluting cars are passing by the Ulez cameras?

Yes it’s a stealth tax however at least it actually does improve air quality.
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Anyway, which are these semi rural areas even in Outer London?
 
Chunkylad said:
Is there any chance that even in those semi rural areas, less air polluting cars are passing by the Ulez cameras?

Yes it’s a stealth tax however at least it actually does improve air quality.
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And the underground where thousands travel for hours every day? So a few less cars go on roads which mostly dont have poor air quality to begin with. What’s the more dangerous concern for Londoners?
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
Its a strange thread to be honest started by a retired bloke who doesn't live or work in London

I do work in London and i call tell you getting around the place for work has been an absolute nightmare since Khan got in
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What a weird post. I worked in London for years. And most recently was there to be transported seamlessly from St Albans to Reading in less than 90 minutes. Including the transfer from Farringdon to Paddington. And then out to Reading. The journey back was even easier (even without the prematch optimism).

If this poster struggles to get around London then he needs to go back to basics and buy an A to Z.

Anyways. The big takeaway is that Khan Nailed It!!!!!
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
Its a strange thread to be honest started by a retired bloke who doesn't live or work in London

I do work in London and i call tell you getting around the place for work has been an absolute nightmare since Khan got in
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Driving? How is it worse since Khan came in? It’s been a nightmare driving down there for years.
 
Mexboroseasider said:
What a weird post. I worked in London for years. And most recently was there to be transported seamlessly from St Albans to Reading in less than 90 minutes. Including the transfer from Farringdon to Paddington. And then out to Reading. The journey back was even easier (even without the prematch optimism).

If this poster struggles to get around London then he needs to go back to basics and buy an A to Z.

Anyways. The big takeaway is that Khan Nailed It!!!!!
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I'd actually say that the single best thing about London is how easy it is to get about.
 
basilrobbie3 said:
I'd actually say that the single best thing about London is how easy it is to get about.
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I suppose for the Ninja Warrior type everything is a battle.

Darting from doorway to doorway. Facing down the ever present dangers.

But, after two hours, the warrior makes it down the length of Topping Street. Avoids the threats from the Cask and Tap. Negotiates the front door of Yorkshire Fisheries. And snaffles a table and a lightly battered haddock with chips and a cup of tea.

Brave 👍
 
Mexboroseasider said:
What a weird post. I worked in London for years. And most recently was there to be transported seamlessly from St Albans to Reading in less than 90 minutes. Including the transfer from Farringdon to Paddington. And then out to Reading. The journey back was even easier (even without the prematch optimism).

If this poster struggles to get around London then he needs to go back to basics and buy an A to Z.

Anyways. The big takeaway is that Khan Nailed It!!!!!
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I used to live in Greenford, and it took me 1hr 20 minutes to get to Waterloo if I was lucky. Driving was even worse and that was years before ULEZ
 
Mexboroseasider said:
What a weird post. I worked in London for years. And most recently was there to be transported seamlessly from St Albans to Reading in less than 90 minutes. Including the transfer from Farringdon to Paddington. And then out to Reading. The journey back was even easier (even without the prematch optimism).

If this poster struggles to get around London then he needs to go back to basics and buy an A to Z.

Anyways. The big takeaway is that Khan Nailed It!!!!!
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Shame Khan isn't responsible for the transfers from Reading station to your hotel Mex, Lucky you have some other mug for that.
 
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