Knife Crime

Raging_Bull

Raging_Bull

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It's really getting out of hand now as another young lad has lost his life to this abhorrent crime.

The government needs to act urgently on this to get it under control, in simple terms a knife is as dangerous as a gun. they both can kill you, carrying a firearm carry's a mandatory five year jail sentence, we need a mandatory sentence of two years jail for anybody carrying a bladed weapon.

Maybe then these young lads will think again when they leave their houses about sticking a blade in their pockets, dishing out a mandatory two year sentence is the only solution to put them off carrying one.

KNIFE CRIME
 
Why dont the powers at be use the four year sentence for carrying a knife,
Are there enough prisons for the influx,
Do you agree the main cause is drug related issues, so the dealers to drug king pins get a life sentence as they kill more.
Is Sadiq Khan a comedian.
 
todayistheday said:
Why dont the powers at be use the four year sentence for carrying a knife,
Are there enough prisons for the influx,
Do you agree the main cause is drug related issues, so the dealers to drug king pins get a life sentence as they kill more.
Is Sadiq Khan a comedian.
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I don’t think it is drug related but more of a kudos issue because when you read about the circumstances leading up to any stabbing it invariably involves some form of dispute beforehand or sadly looking at someone the wrong way and the perpetrators wants to save face in front of their mates.
When I joined the police in 1976 I covered areas such as Collyhurst, Miles Platting, Ancoats, Cheetham Hill, and as a young recruit I would be doing foot patrol (alone) in these areas and it was not uncommon to stop a group of lads (any time, day or night) and ask them to empty their pockets (without any suspicion whatsoever) which they would do without issue. A quick search and they would be on their way usually with a goodnight officer.
Then along came PACE (The Police and Criminal Evidence Act) which stopped all random stop searches unless the officer had “reasonable grounds”
It is debatable if a random search is right or wrong but what I do know is that if anyone has nothing to hide then what is the problem?
There must be thousands of people who take a knife out as a matter of course as if it’s part of their going out attire so if random searches were re-introduced it would certainly be a starting point to stopping this pandemic.
Once again though the “do gooders” will be heard above everyone so it will never happen.
Why doesn’t someone in authority have the balls to say look, this is our Country and we will run it as we see fit and we won’t give a monkey’s about Human Rights when it concerns people losing their lives.
 
Agree with you but still think it's mainly drug related, at whatever level in the gang you are. Or even the user for protection.
As for other knife crime like domestic, the offender is most often caught and dealt with.
 
The stop and search debate is very interesting on one side you have the "done nothing wrong nothing to hide" mentality and the other which is "you are tredding on my privacy; once you're allowed to search at will it's a slippery slope into other areas of civil liberty. The same reason you can't enter my property without a warrant."
 
Eternaloptimist said:
Why doesn’t someone in authority have the balls to say look, this is our Country and we will run it as we see fit and we won’t give a monkey’s about Human Rights when it concerns people losing their lives.
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Because it isn't "our" country any more, it's now the property of whatever pressure group is in vogue and policy decisions will be made according to their desires.
 
todayistheday said:
Why dont the powers at be use the four year sentence for carrying a knife,
Are there enough prisons for the influx,
Do you agree the main cause is drug related issues, so the dealers to drug king pins get a life sentence as they kill more.
Is Sadiq Khan a comedian.
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Have you heard of a question mark?
 
When young lads go out at night if they think other youths will be carrying knives then they'll do the same to give them equality, besides that it's human nature to use your best weapon in a confrontation, now for 95% of us that means your feet and fists if we get in to a confrontation, but if you've got a knife the probability is you'll pull it, same as if you've got a gun, especially when you fear your opponent may well be armed, you're not exactly going to get chance to quiz him on his present status with regard to weapons.

A mandatory prison sentence is the only solution, rapping these kids knuckles which is what is presently happening is not stopping anything.
 
We dont seem to get the knife problems like the South but there are many instances where fist and feet have caused death and serious brain damage around these parts. Whats the answer for them.
 
We’re too fcuking soft. I’d send the youngsters carrying knives to a new Borstal.
Adults should be conscripted to the Army for 4 years. Let them sort them out.
There should be a video game ban on all violent games and restrictions placed on the games industry.
I’d ban anyone under the age of 17 from having a smart mobile.
There should be more Police on the streets; stop and search; metal detectors for all schools. Parents should be held accountable - curfews for troublesome kids and adults.
There should be more lessons in school about family values, respect and common decency, plus appreciation for local area and community projects.
There should be more positive activities for kids to do and keep them out of trouble, e.g. sports clubs, more community centres etc.
 
There were panicked headlines in the 50's about knife crime, and if you look there is enough to suggest it was an issue going back to the twenties, in the 70s and 80s it wasn't unusual to hear of football hooligans stabbing and slashing one another on a regular basis, at school in Blackpool in the early 80's, there were a few who regularly carried blades. All through the nineties and the early 2000s the press was wetting its pants over knife crime. Is it really any worse now?

maybe there is another agenda at play?
 
Costero Poderoso said:
There were panicked headlines in the 50's about knife crime, and if you look there is enough to suggest it was an issue going back to the twenties, in the 70s and 80s it wasn't unusual to hear of football hooligans stabbing and slashing one another on a regular basis, at school in Blackpool in the early 80's, there were a few who regularly carried blades. All through the nineties and the early 2000s the press was wetting its pants over knife crime. Is it really any worse now?

maybe there is another agenda at play?
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Nah, there's absolutely nothing to worry about.
Just sensationalist nonsense and besides it's always been around, so everything's ok👍🏻
 
todayistheday said:
We dont seem to get the knife problems like the South but there are many instances where fist and feet have caused death and serious brain damage around these parts. Whats the answer for them.
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Yes but the odds of getting killed by feet and fists is hugely less than by a blade, one stab in the wrong place and it could be all over as poor Olly found out all those years ago.
 
A complex question unfortunately with no simple answer which has been with us for longer than we perhaps think as CP alludes to.

I would be surprised if any of us on here really have the lived experience to fully understand why knife crime is so prevalent or to comment on it with any great authority. I certainly haven`t.

So many underlying factors feed into the reasons for violent crime - age, gender, ethnicity, socio economic background, education, mental illness, exposure to violence and victimisation, drug addiction, life prospects, gang culture and territoriality, etc.

Big subject undermined by some knee jerk, flippant replies.
 
spudgun said:
A complex question unfortunately with no simple answer which has been with us for longer than we perhaps think as CP alludes to.

I would be surprised if any of us on here really have the lived experience to fully understand why knife crime is so prevalent or to comment on it with any great authority. I certainly haven`t.

So many underlying factors feed into the reasons for violent crime - age, gender, ethnicity, socio economic background, education, mental illness, exposure to violence and victimisation, drug addiction, life prospects, gang culture and territoriality, etc.

Big subject undermined by some knee jerk, flippant replies.
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Sounds like you agree with Mr Khan.
 
My mate’s wife is a magistrate and she’s been told not to send anyone to prison from the Magistrates Court as there aren’t any empty cells.
What a state we are in!
 
CAGU said:
My mate’s wife is a magistrate and she’s been told not to send anyone to prison from the Magistrates Court as there aren’t any empty cells.
What a state we are in!
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Er, two per cell?
Rota’s - get them doing community or useful work
 
spudgun said:
Have no idea what Mr Khan has said, so I`m not agreeing with him at all.

You seem very keen to centre this around Sadiq Khan, so perhaps you would like to explain why you think he is at the epicentre of the country`s knife crime problem - which has been with us for many decades and is prevalent in all areas of the UK?
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Because as Mayor of London he is in overall charge of the Met?
 
CAGU said:
My mate’s wife is a magistrate and she’s been told not to send anyone to prison from the Magistrates Court as there aren’t any empty cells.
What a state we are in!
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It's been like that for years cagu
I was playing in a handicap league match at Royal Lytham and St Annes and one of my opponents was a county court judge!!!
Obviously I didn't know he was at the time but as soon as the conversation turned to how shit I thought the British judicial system was he soon made it perfectly clear where the problems were.
Too lenient sentencing due to them having their hands tied behind their backs no matter how awful the crime was, also the unavailability of prison cell spaces!!!
So, 15 years down the line and we still have little to no space in prisons.
Either bring back the death penalty or build new prisons or both.
Otherwise this will continue to spiral uncontrollably ☹️
 
There are no recent spates of knife crimes in London the figure varies year by year and overall Khan is doing a half decent job. Gun crime is down considerably and these problems can be fixed without some of the more ludicrous kneejerk reactions on this thread. Mind you I wouldn't live in that shitehole for love nor money although my brother seems to like it.
 
Wizzerboy said:
It's been like that for years cagu
I was playing in a handicap league match at Royal Lytham and St Annes and one of my opponents was a county court judge!!!
Obviously I didn't know he was at the time but as soon as the conversation turned to how shit I thought the British judicial system was he soon made it perfectly clear where the problems were.
Too lenient sentencing due to them having their hands tied behind their backs no matter how awful the crime was, also the unavailability of prison cell spaces!!!
So, 15 years down the line and we still have little to no space in prisons.
Either bring back the death penalty or build new prisons or both.
Otherwise this will continue to spiral uncontrollably ☹️
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Very true Wizzer.
Surprised Royal Lytham play in the Handicap League 😂
 
There is some absolute cobblers on this thread. The contributory factors that lead to knife crime are complex, especially where gangs are involved.

I'd say most of our big cities and towns have similar problems in this regard ; it is not specifically a London problem and certainly can't be laid at the door of one Mayor. It was just as much of an issue for Livingstone when he served his terms in office, when a lot of ground-breaking work was done on identifying crime hot-spots, causality and so on.
 
basilrobbie3 said:
There is some absolute cobblers on this thread. The contributory factors that lead to knife crime are complex, especially where gangs are involved.

I'd say most of our big cities and towns have similar problems in this regard ; it is not specifically a London problem and certainly can't be laid at the door of one Mayor. It was just as much of an issue for Livingstone when he served his terms in office, when a lot of ground-breaking work was done on identifying crime hot-spots, causality and so on.
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Who's blaming the Mayor for this problem, my moan about Kahn was some of the solutions to the problem.
 
Lost Seasider said:
Because as Mayor of London he is in overall charge of the Met?
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But that doesn`t really work as an answer to the question you addressed, namely: "would you like to explain why you think Sadiq Khan is at the epicentre of the country`s knife crime problem - which has been with us for many decades and is prevalent in all areas of the UK?"

Could you imagine if one of your juniors had given you such an extraneous answer - I`m sure you would have angrily pointed out that Khan is not responsible for 95% of the policing in the UK, nor indeed the previous decades of policing knife crime in London itself...
 
Maybe the sooner China rule the world, the better. The standard of government in the West is so poor nowadays. People are out of control. Humans need strong rulers.
 
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