Labour - Here we go

Bend it like Suddick said:
Ok, how many elderly do you really know? Some are au fait with technology, a hell of a lot aren't and wont have a Scooby how to apply.

Also it’s a generation, including mine where most don't want benefits because they are proud people, unlike the Benefits Bistro culture championed by Labour.
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I’m young enough to still have Grandparents knocking around so I do know elderly people.

My Granddad passed away a couple of months ago at 89 but his wife who is 80 is still in the house. We were very close and I used to help them with their finances and bills etc. Their house is paid for, they had 50k in premium bonds each. The bank once rang them and said they had too much money in their current account and would have to move some funds elsewhere. My granddad told me they literally couldn’t spend the money they received from their pension. They had a place in America for a number of years, a place in Spain after that.

My Granddad owned his own business and his wife didn’t work, they did well for themselves but they weren’t anything special, they did very well from the property boom and were lucky with selling at the right time.

He absolutely does not need the winter fuel payment but I absolutely guarantee he’d be complaining to anybody who’d listen.

On the other end of the spectrum there’s mg Grandma (85), who lives in a rented one bedroom flat. I’m not entirely sure of her situation but I believe she is on some benefits to help with the rent etc so I imagine she’ll be on pension credit and will still receive the winter fuel payment.

The first example obviously doesn’t need the winter fuel payment, they’ll make more than that off premium bonds winnings every month. The latter example will probably still get it but I doubt she needs it, she’s gifted me £1000 in the last year to help us buy a pram and other things for the baby.

I think “metaphorically drowning” is so bloody dramatic. Are you really going to struggle to put the heating on?

I’m completely behind this policy because I think it directs funds from people who don’t necessarily need to working people who are going to be the ones who drive our country forward. I’m especially in favour of pay increases for public servants who were seriously let down by the previous government and did fantastic work throughout the pandemic.

This is not an attack on the elderly, it’s trying to balance the books with working people in mind.
 
Bend it like Suddick said:
Ok, how many elderly do you really know? Some are au fait with technology, a hell of a lot aren't and wont have a Scooby how to apply.

Also its a generation, including mine where most don't want benefits because they are proud people, unlike the Benefits Bistro culture championed by Labour.
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To apply they make a phone call. They can do that.

And you can't claim that it's a disgrace to take it away if they are 'too proud' to claim.
 
Sven said:
I’m young enough to still have Grandparents knocking around so I do know elderly people.

My Granddad passed away a couple of months ago at 89 but his wife who is 80 is still in the house. We were very close and I used to help them with their finances and bills etc. Their house is paid for, they had 50k in premium bonds each. The bank once rang them and said they had too much money in their current account and would have to move some funds elsewhere. My granddad told me they literally couldn’t spend the money they received from their pension. They had a place in America for a number of years, a place in Spain after that.

My Granddad owned his own business and his wife didn’t work, they did well for themselves but they weren’t anything special, they did very well from the property boom and were lucky with selling at the right time.

He absolutely does not need the winter fuel payment but I absolutely guarantee he’d be complaining to anybody who’d listen.

On the other end of the spectrum there’s mg Grandma (85), who lives in a rented one bedroom flat. I’m not entirely sure of her situation but I believe she is on some benefits to help with the rent etc so I imagine she’ll be on pension credit and will still receive the winter fuel payment.

The first example obviously doesn’t need the winter fuel payment, they’ll make more than that off premium bonds winnings every month. The latter example will probably still get it but I doubt she needs it, she’s gifted me £1000 in the last year to help us buy a pram and other things for the baby.

I think “metaphorically drowning” is so bloody dramatic. Are you really going to struggle to put the heating on?

I’m completely behind this policy because I think it directs funds from people who don’t necessarily need to working people who are going to be the ones who drive our country forward. I’m especially in favour of pay increases for public servants who were seriously let down by the previous government and did fantastic work throughout the pandemic.

This is not an attack on the elderly, it’s trying to balance the books with working people in mind.
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We were promised there would be tough choices and this isn't actually all that tough. We won't get this allowance and that's fine because other people need it a hell of a lot more than we do.

"Metaphorically drowning"? Sounds like a load of bollocks to me.
 
Mac ,typicall response , explain why it was diabolical . We had a pandemic never seen before in most of our lifetimes , global financial crash , yet here we all are just getting by , all i can say is that on every flight away on holiday , never any empty seats , and the clientele were a cross section of the uk public . So work hard ,save a bit , pay your bills , and guess what , that is life for most of us , no matter which party is in power . Live with it . It aint gonna change ..
 
Slamdunk said:
Mac ,typicall response , explain why it was diabolical . We had a pandemic never seen before in most of our lifetimes , global financial crash , yet here we all are just getting by , all i can say is that on every flight away on holiday , never any empty seats , and the clientele were a cross section of the uk public . So work hard ,save a bit , pay your bills , and guess what , that is life for most of us , no matter which party is in power . Live with it . It aint gonna change ..
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If you don't know why it was diabolical now then you never will. A quick Google of Boris Johnson will sort you out.

It should begin with the disgraceful Dave and his arrogance in gambling the nations future with Brexit but there you go.

If you think 4 Prime Ministers in 2 years is a nation thriving then there is no hope for you.

Not that it matters now.
 
Sven said:
I’m young enough to still have Grandparents knocking around so I do know elderly people.

My Granddad passed away a couple of months ago at 89 but his wife who is 80 is still in the house. We were very close and I used to help them with their finances and bills etc. Their house is paid for, they had 50k in premium bonds each. The bank once rang them and said they had too much money in their current account and would have to move some funds elsewhere. My granddad told me they literally couldn’t spend the money they received from their pension. They had a place in America for a number of years, a place in Spain after that.

My Granddad owned his own business and his wife didn’t work, they did well for themselves but they weren’t anything special, they did very well from the property boom and were lucky with selling at the right time.

He absolutely does not need the winter fuel payment but I absolutely guarantee he’d be complaining to anybody who’d listen.

On the other end of the spectrum there’s mg Grandma (85), who lives in a rented one bedroom flat. I’m not entirely sure of her situation but I believe she is on some benefits to help with the rent etc so I imagine she’ll be on pension credit and will still receive the winter fuel payment.

The first example obviously doesn’t need the winter fuel payment, they’ll make more than that off premium bonds winnings every month. The latter example will probably still get it but I doubt she needs it, she’s gifted me £1000 in the last year to help us buy a pram and other things for the baby.

I think “metaphorically drowning” is so bloody dramatic. Are you really going to struggle to put the heating on?

I’m completely behind this policy because I think it directs funds from people who don’t necessarily need to working people who are going to be the ones who drive our country forward. I’m especially in favour of pay increases for public servants who were seriously let down by the previous government and did fantastic work throughout the pandemic.

This is not an attack on the elderly, it’s trying to balance the books with working people in mind.
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If you’re trying to balance the books - stop giving overseas aid to India who are in Putins pocket, stop giving those billions to other countries as I’ve already mentioned for climate control projects and stop Milliband with his ridiculous blinkered energy plans. Doesn’t the prat realise that these turbines can’t be recycled, they need a constant supply of lubricants ( derived from oil), and to reach the levels of power output we have now, we need a minimum of 26 million of them.

I keep hearing posters have relatives that don’t need the winter payout - I’m sure they don’t. A lot do who aren’t your relatives.

What a feckin society.
 
Bend it like Suddick said:
If you’re trying to balance the books - stop giving overseas aid to India who are in Putins pocket, stop giving those billions to other countries as I’ve already mentioned for climate control projects and stop Milliband with his ridiculous blinkered energy plans. Doesn’t the prat realise that these turbines can’t be recycled, they need a constant supply of lubricants ( derived from oil), and to reach the levels of power output we have now, we need a minimum of 26 million of them.

I keep hearing posters have relatives that don’t need the winter payout - I’m sure they don’t. A lot do who aren’t your relatives.

What a feckin society.
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Investing in renewable energy is one of the positive things that we need to do - it's a good move. And I would guess that Ed Miliband knows more about the pros and cons of decisions that he is making as energy minister than a member of the public.

In the same post you refer to India 'being in Putin's pocket'. Investing in green technology in energy production is a step towards not being reliant on other countries oil production (like Russia) - that is a good thing in itself IMO. Green production is the future of energy, we need to get onboard, it's the right move.
 
ElBurroSinNombre said:
Investing in renewable energy is one of the positive things that we need to do - it's a good move. And I would guess that Ed Miliband knows more about the pros and cons of decisions that he is making as energy minister than a member of the public.

In the same post you refer to India 'being in Putin's pocket'. Investing in green technology in energy production is a step towards not being reliant on other countries oil production (like Russia) - that is a good thing in itself IMO. Green production is the future of energy, we need to get onboard, it's the right move.
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For the reasons I’ve already stated, which were given by an expert, Milliband obviously knows or is blindsiding the public. Surely a politician wouldn’t do that?

Just like the winter payment which Thieves and Starmer both repeatedly said wouldn’t happen prior to the GE and wasn’t in the manifesto.

Can’t see the usual protagonists like Wiz beating his chest and shouting lying devious Labour.

This government has started off how it means to go on, and we are seriously going to have problems. Can’t wait to visit a thread in a few years time with some of these posters making lame excuses in support of this shower.
 
Bend it like Suddick said:
If you’re trying to balance the books - stop giving overseas aid to India who are in Putins pocket, stop giving those billions to other countries as I’ve already mentioned for climate control projects and stop Milliband with his ridiculous blinkered energy plans. Doesn’t the prat realise that these turbines can’t be recycled, they need a constant supply of lubricants ( derived from oil), and to reach the levels of power output we have now, we need a minimum of 26 million of them.

I keep hearing posters have relatives that don’t need the winter payout - I’m sure they don’t. A lot do who aren’t your relatives.

What a feckin society.
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There are many different ways we could balance the books but that’s not what we’re discussing, we’re discussing whether all pensioners deserve this payment.

I’ve tried giving examples but you’ve clearly got a bee in your bonnet about this and aren’t prepared to listen to anyone.

It’s all poor poor me, nobody cares about us, what a society, metaphorically drowning. Have you heard yourself? I’m sorry but it’s absolutely pathetic and bloody annoying, get a grip.

This feckin society is trying to get back on its feet and that means helping out working people. If that annoys some cantankerous old bastards then that’s a bonus in my view.
 
Sven said:
There are many different ways we could balance the books but that’s not what we’re discussing, we’re discussing whether all pensioners deserve this payment.

I’ve tried giving examples but you’ve clearly got a bee in your bonnet about this and aren’t prepared to listen to anyone.

It’s all poor poor me, nobody cares about us, what a society, metaphorically drowning. Have you heard yourself? I’m sorry but it’s absolutely pathetic and bloody annoying, get a grip.

This feckin society is trying to get back on its feet and that means helping out working people. If that annoys some cantankerous old bastards then that’s a bonus in my view.
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That rules me out then...Im not old, Im not cantankerous and Im certainly not a bastard, although Ive been called it a fair few times.

Just to reiterate, unless certain posters read all postings on relevant threads, ive already conceded that quite a few could be made exempt from receiving the payment, unlike certain posters who wont remain anonymous who welcome a blanket reduction.

As for 'bee in my bonnet', if that is construed with fairness, caring and common sense, then I willingly hold my hand up to it. Someone has to be after hearing all this socialist crap coming regularly from the usual protagonists.

Seems its a 'Im all right Jack' selfish society, especially on this Forum.

Im really, really ashamed.....and just hope the repeated holidays and Golf might get them to realise they have a conscience, but I wont hold my breath.

This Country is rotten to the core and will be compounded by the actions of the Starmy Army.

Anyway that's me done on this thread. I despair.
 
FFS I’ve resisted in getting involved with all the bickering and over analysing of every pointed scrap reported in the mainly right wing media. Just take a fuck ing step back & look at things in a few years. Just the same as the bonkers reactions on here after a few friendly warm up games. Give it some time and patience. All this left & right bollocks, all I wish for is an improvement and perhaps that means people working together towards a common goal. 🤬
 
Sooty59 said:
FFS I’ve resisted in getting involved with all the bickering and over analysing of every pointed scrap reported in the mainly right wing media. Just take a fuck ing step back & look at things in a few years. Just the same as the bonkers reactions on here after a few friendly warm up games. Give it some time and patience. All this left & right bollocks, all I wish for is an improvement and perhaps that means people working together towards a common goal. 🤬
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Amen to that.
There are going to be difficult and unpopular decisions coming along for all of us, and there would have been under any party.
Covid was a serious drainer of our economic finances and we have to rein it in one way or another.
It needs time to evaluate the outcome of the incoming government, and patience.
 
Rachel Reeves and myself have something in common. Chess. i am pretty rubbish but she was a junior champion. So i personally think she has played a decent opening game. got the hard facts on the table and got her pawns moving. No one was saying it was going to be easy . My wife receives p/credit . a massive thirty one pounds plus her state pension. my self i recieve ex works pension. winter fuel is equal to about six pounds a week so not a fortune. i do NOT believe its same old labour. The treasury will be working their bits off to make sure the october budget is as painless as possible.
 
JOHNMAJORTOM said:
Rachel Reeves and myself have something in common. Chess. i am pretty rubbish but she was a junior champion. So i personally think she has played a decent opening game. got the hard facts on the table and got her pawns moving. No one was saying it was going to be easy . My wife receives p/credit . a massive thirty one pounds plus her state pension. my self i recieve ex works pension. winter fuel is equal to about six pounds a week so not a fortune. i do NOT believe its same old labour. The treasury will be working their bits off to make sure the october budget is as painless as possible.
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Not sure I agree with you about the budget 🥵
 
Bend it like Suddick said:
Seems its a 'Im all right Jack' selfish society, especially on this Forum.

Im really, really ashamed.....and just hope the repeated holidays and Golf might get them to realise they have a conscience, but I wont hold my breath.

This Country is rotten to the core and will be compounded by the actions of the Starmy Army.

Anyway that's me done on this thread. I despair.
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I’m alright Jack, isn’t that the Tory party slogan?

You’re now talking about fairness, caring and common sense now there’s something which will affect you to the tune of £200.

This is while public servants have been continuously made worse off for the last decade.

Now you’re throwing your toys out of the pram and saying things like Rachael Thieves when she has made it clear the focus will be on working people.

I’m not sure why you’re talking about golf and holidays, perhaps it’s better that you do retire from this thread because you’re making little sense 👍
 
Sven said:
I’m alright Jack, isn’t that the Tory party slogan?

You’re now talking about fairness, caring and common sense now there’s something which will affect you to the tune of £200.

This is while public servants have been continuously made worse off for the last decade.

Now you’re throwing your toys out of the pram and saying things like Rachael Thieves when she has made it clear the focus will be on working people.

I’m not sure why you’re talking about golf and holidays, perhaps it’s better that you do retire from this thread because you’re making little
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Pensioners were working people as well you know
 
ansdellmafia said:
Pensioners were working people as well you know
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AFAIK this winter fuel allowance will still be paid to certain more needy people, we’ll lose it & I’ve no problem with that. Perhaps it could have been addressed slightly differently, but if you’re not careful it could become more expensive to administer than any potential savings.
 
Sven said:
This feckin society is trying to get back on its feet and that means helping out working people. If that annoys some cantankerous old bastards then that’s a bonus in my view.
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considering what you posted earlier about your own grandparents i find your post totally lacking in respect.
 
Starmer and Labour will be gone in 5 years.

Starmer might go earlier than that.

Today’s statement was so poor it’s not true.
 
20togo said:
considering what you posted earlier about your own grandparents i find your post totally lacking in respect.
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There’s nothing there that I wouldn’t say to my late Granddad’s face, it’s probably one of the reasons we got on so well.

This thread has been a weird one for me tbh. I agree with the policy but I know my Granddad would have reacted exactly the same as a few on here, so I feel like I’ve been arguing with him from the grave 😁

The old boy only left us in April and I had my first child in February so I’ve probably not fully processed everything because we’ve had our hands full.

I guess in a way it’s been quite nice to have a similar conversation to what I’d have with him so thank you @Bend it like Suddick and apologies if I offended in any way.
 
Tangerinenick said:
Love the won’t raise taxes on working people by Starmer before election. Three weeks later…we’ve all been played. Taxes going up. Rinse n repeat.
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Which taxes going up? This is removal of a freebie from some wealthier pensioners. Bring the smelling salts.
 
Fook me this is such low hanging fruit it's a no brainer... errrrr let's not give rich pensioners 300 quid towards heating. My 69 year old golf buddy who has 5 properties rented out will be gutted. How will he cope?
 
Shandypants said:
Fook me this is such low hanging fruit it's a no brainer... errrrr let's not give rich pensioners 300 quid towards heating. My 69 year old golf buddy who has 5 properties rented out will be gutted. How will he cope?
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I am all for cutting benefits, it becomes a crux.

Re pensioners, there are a lot that don’t have 5 properties and there are many that are just above the threshold so big call from Labour.
 
no9 said:
I am all for cutting benefits, it becomes a crux.

Re pensioners, there are a lot that don’t have 5 properties and there are many that are just above the threshold so big call from Labour.
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Hardly a big call, it's not rocket science helping those in need rather than Alan Sugar collecting 300 quid that he'll spend on a bottle of champers
 
Beachcomber said:
If the son of a tool(maker) was the original man of steel, there’d be no illegal immigrants, and terrorists and knife wielding loonies would be exterminated with extreme prejudice.
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Starmer is a spineless wonder

Where’s the leadership coming from him with all the troubles. As usual hides in the shadows.

Anyway nice to know that £25M is being spent on interpreters for migrants that no doubt will come out of the pensioners pot.
 
L’étranger said:
Don’t be silly. It cost £350m, a drop in the ocean compared to the cost of future industrial action. If only the Tories had prioritised settling this dispute rather than concentrate on shovelling billions to their cronies!
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Labour - Union action - High pay settlements

Here we go again, nothing changes
 
It equates to 9% a year for 2 years when you've taken out back pay owed for other years.
Pensions got a 10% increase one of those years due to the triple lock. I also received that 10% on my small pension, I was frankly quite amazed by that, whilst my wage that year rose barely nothing at all, despite working every day through the pandemic.
Public workers have had a really raw deal for many years now, you can’t say that for pensioners.
Some perspective is needed here. It’s not a competition, we all want to be treated fairly.
 
Lala said:
It equates to 9% a year for 2 years when you've taken out back pay owed for other years.
Pensions got a 10% increase one of those years due to the triple lock. I also received that 10% on my small pension, I was frankly quite amazed by that, whilst my wage that year rose barely nothing at all, despite working every day through the pandemic.
Public workers have had a really raw deal for many years now, you can’t say that for pensioners.
Some perspective is needed here. It’s not a competition, we all want to be treated fairly.
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A good point at the end LaLa and like you I think Public workers need this parity with other pay rises.

However I think it’s unfair that pensioners seem to be the whipping boys/ girls.
 
Bend it like Suddick said:
A good point at the end LaLa and like you I think Public workers need this parity with other pay rises.

However I think it’s unfair that pensioners seem to be the whipping boys/ girls.
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Unfortunately we are going to see some winners and losers over the next year or two whilst the economy gets sorted out.
Benefit claimants are on the hit list too now, so no-one is safe, and let’s hope the Winter Fuel payment is the only hit some pensioners have to take.
 
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