Labour MP suspended for racist remarks

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I’m surprised this hasn’t been mentioned by any of the Labour faithful on here.

The labour MP Rupa Huq has of course apologised for saying ……..

‘You wouldn't know he is black'

"Superficially he is a black man.

"He went to Eton, I think, he went to a very expensive prep school, all the way through, the top schools in the country.

"If you hear him on the Today programme, you wouldn't know he is black."

Labour said: "We condemn the remarks and urge her to withdraw them and apologise."

To be fair to Labour they acted swiftly and decisively. As far as the ‘apology’ goes, it’s not a true apology. She’s apologising to save her own skin. What good is an apology. She’s not clumsily mis-spoken. She’s revealed her true colours. She’s racist and there’s no other way to describe her words.

More than racism though, this highlights the perverse class war that labour has at its core. You would think a black person doing so well would be something to be celebrated. Leaving aside his last week or two of course. I’m talking about his journey through education and career.

But no - he’s a Tory, and he’s well educated. So he’s not a real black person. How can he be? Black people are discriminated against in this racist country and can’t possibly succeed. So he can’t be black. He’s only superficially black. What a disgrace of an MP. No doubt she’ll serve her suspension and then come crawling back to the fold with the other racist hypocrites who seem to have issues with the Jews and now the blacks who do well for themselves.

So my dear labour supporters, what have you to say on this?
 
By the way I missed the other thread purely cos it said ‘labour conference’ in the title. That was an immediate turn off.
 
Old_Laytonian said:
Even Angela Rayner criticised her.Please read all comments first before replying.'You know who I had in the back of my cab the other day"😂
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Did you read my post? I gave credit to Labour for their response.
But when you say read all comments I'm not sure what 'all' comments you're referring to. My point is that there are hardly any comments on it. Why is that I wonder?
 
Malced said:
Did you read my post? I gave credit to Labour for their response.
But when you say read all comments I'm not sure what 'all' comments you're referring to. My point is that there are hardly any comments on it. Why is that I wonder?
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There was a thread on it yesterday. Everyone condemned her comments from what I recall. They were racist and there is no place for that in public life. I am not sure what her punishment will be but she should be kicked out of the party imo
 
ElBurroSinNombre said:
There was a thread on it yesterday. Everyone condemned her comments from what I recall. They were racist and there is no place for that in public life. I am not sure what her punishment will be but she should be kicked out of the party imo
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There were only 11 replies on the thread, and most of those were along the lines of "Boris is a liar", in fact I can't see any posts that condemn her comments at all.
 
ElBurroSinNombre said:
There was a thread on it yesterday. Everyone condemned her comments from what I recall. They were racist and there is no place for that in public life. I am not sure what her punishment will be but she should be kicked out of the party imo
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Swift and decisive leadership from Sir Keir to suspend her. If she does lose her job then no one to blame but herself.

Had she been a Tory she'd have been fastracked as a potential future leader.
 
I actually went on a date with someone who worked for Rupa Huq. My date wasn't a great fan and said she lacked empathy. I can't imagine why she thinks it's okay to talk like this in public (or even in private).
 
Lost Seasider said:
There were only 11 replies on the thread, and most of those were along the lines of "Boris is a liar", in fact I can't see any posts that condemn her comments at all.
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Exactly. That’s the stark hypocrisy you get on here. By their silence it shows their values on racism only apply along party lines. They’re characteristically vociferous when it suits. Yet when it’s a Labour transgressor the silence is deafening. But hey maybe they too didn’t notice the other thread. Or this one. 🤣🤣
 
Malced said:
I’m surprised this hasn’t been mentioned by any of the Labour faithful on here.

The labour MP Rupa Huq has of course apologised for saying ……..

‘You wouldn't know he is black'

"Superficially he is a black man.

"He went to Eton, I think, he went to a very expensive prep school, all the way through, the top schools in the country.

"If you hear him on the Today programme, you wouldn't know he is black."

Labour said: "We condemn the remarks and urge her to withdraw them and apologise."

To be fair to Labour they acted swiftly and decisively. As far as the ‘apology’ goes, it’s not a true apology. She’s apologising to save her own skin. What good is an apology. She’s not clumsily mis-spoken. She’s revealed her true colours. She’s racist and there’s no other way to describe her words.

More than racism though, this highlights the perverse class war that labour has at its core. You would think a black person doing so well would be something to be celebrated. Leaving aside his last week or two of course. I’m talking about his journey through education and career.

But no - he’s a Tory, and he’s well educated. So he’s not a real black person. How can he be? Black people are discriminated against in this racist country and can’t possibly succeed. So he can’t be black. He’s only superficially black. What a disgrace of an MP. No doubt she’ll serve her suspension and then come crawling back to the fold with the other racist hypocrites who seem to have issues with the Jews and now the blacks who do well for themselves.

So my dear labour supporters, what have you to say on this?
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OK, I've read all the posts and I will say this. The woman is an idiot. On Keir Starmer's big day she goes on the flagship radio 4 politics programme and says that. She's stupid beyond belief. As for her apology, it's obvious that the chief whip has torn strips off her.

Turning to what she said. It is clear to me that the class war supercedes issues about ethnicity. He is a member of the B social strata, an A but for the fact he isn't a member of the aristocracy. That places him very much on the Tory side of the class war. As for being black...of course he is black along with whatever cultural values that brings. Huq is an idiot.
 
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ElBurroSinNombre said:
I actually went on a date with someone who worked for Rupa Huq. My date wasn't a great fan and said she lacked empathy. I can't imagine why she thinks it's okay to talk like this in public (or even in private).
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https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/rupa-huq-and-the-politics-of-prejudice

she was articulating an attitude that has become widespread. She probably thought that her comments were uncontroversial for the audience at a Labour party conference debate.


Essentially, they believe that anyone who's BAME is the property of the Labour party, and anyone who disagrees is a race traitor.
 
Lost Seasider said:
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/rupa-huq-and-the-politics-of-prejudice

she was articulating an attitude that has become widespread. She probably thought that her comments were uncontroversial for the audience at a Labour party conference debate.


Essentially, they believe that anyone who's BAME is the property of the Labour party, and anyone who disagrees is a race traitor.
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Well if she did think that, she was wrong wasn't she, as her comments were immediately condemned by both Conservatives and Labour alike for the vile, ignorant rubbish they were. Who are this 'they' you speak of? Because it clearly isn't the current mainstream mass of the party
 
foggy said:
Well if she did think that, she was wrong wasn't she, as her comments were immediately condemned by both Conservatives and Labour alike for the vile, ignorant rubbish they were. Who are this 'they' you speak of? Because it clearly isn't the current mainstream mass of the party
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Read the article, because it is far from clear that it isn't the "mainstream mass of the party".
 
Lost Seasider said:
Read the article.
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I did and I see they made great pains to try to connect this ignorant comment to Critical Race Theory (playing all the hits) and current Labour which they describe as 'borderline racist'. So my question is who are this 'they' you are referring to? Is it the Labour party?
 
foggy said:
I did and I see they made great pains to try to connect this ignorant comment to Critical Race Theory (playing all the hits) and current Labour which they describe as 'borderline racist'. So my question is who are this 'they' you are referring to? Is it the Labour party?
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Large parts of it, and particularly the BAME members.
 
Lost Seasider said:
Large parts of it, and particularly the BAME members.
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The article you have cited as evidence that a large part of Labour supports Huq includes examples such as an ITV presenter facing racism when she was a child, ex-Conservative Prime Minister David Cameron being racist, 'social media', and of course the American 'critical race theory', which the article scatters throughout and then ends on, which has nothing to do with the UK. There is precisely nothing to implicate the current power of the Labour party, the closest being the experiences of two MPs from doorsteps. On the other hand, we have had Huq suspended and an entire long weekend of Conference where if other people in the party stood up for her, we would have heard about it. If large parts of the party think this way, where are they? Why am I reading about it coming from an American moral panic and an ex-Tory MP and not about actual current Labour members that were all in one big place this weekend in front of an endless mass of journalists and TV cameras?
 
foggy said:
The article you have cited as evidence that a large part of Labour supports Huq includes examples such as an ITV presenter facing racism when she was a child, ex-Conservative Prime Minister David Cameron being racist, 'social media', and of course the American 'critical race theory', which the article scatters throughout and then ends on, which has nothing to do with the UK. There is precisely nothing to implicate the current power of the Labour party, the closest being the experiences of two MPs from doorsteps. On the other hand, we have had Huq suspended and an entire long weekend of Conference where if other people in the party stood up for her, we would have heard about it. If large parts of the party think this way, where are they? Why am I reading about it coming from an American moral panic and an ex-Tory MP and not about actual current Labour members that were all in one big place this weekend in front of an endless mass of journalists and TV cameras?
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In that case, why don't you answer @ElBurroSinNombre's question, why does she think it's okay to talk like this in public (or even in private)?
 
But, but, but... Rupa is the sister of the saintly Konnie Huq, the longest serving Blue Peter presenter.
I guess that’s the yin and yang of the Huq family.
 
Lost Seasider said:
In that case, why don't you answer @ElBurroSinNombre's question, why does she think it's okay to talk like this in public (or even in private)?
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I don't know, there are dumb MPs about. Why did a Tory MP feel it was OK to use the n-word in public in 2017 causing her suspension? I'm not trying to do whataboutery or deflection here, I will happily talk about how awful Huq's comments are and I think generally, a conversation about whether 'left' parties take bame support for granted is a worthy one. But my point here is even as an anti-Tory, I would certainly never claim the Tory party at large agreed with their MP, or fostered an environment where her racial slur usage was OK, and if you think the fact that a Labour MP said a racist thing means the party must therefore support her, then that applies to every political party who have had a member suspended for racism, sexism, or anything offensive. And that's all of them.
 
I suppose she meant to say that Kwarteng had benefited from all the special privileges that are usually reserved for the white upper classes in this country, such as prep school, Eton, Trinity College Cambridge etc... unlike 99% of black people in this country.

The fact that Kwarteng took full advantage by working hard and achieving academic success escaped her clumsy and, yes, racist thoughts. His parents were professionals but must have made sacrifices to give him these privileged opportunities.

The fact that he has turned out to be a cack-handed politician without a basic grasp of economic reality as Chancellor, yes, a complete ** who has destabilised the country, is rather beside the point.
 
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foggy said:
I don't know, there are dumb MPs about. Why did a Tory MP feel it was OK to use the n-word in public in 2017 causing her suspension? I'm not trying to do whataboutery or deflection here, I will happily talk about how awful Huq's comments are and I think generally, a conversation about whether 'left' parties take bame support for granted is a worthy one. But my point here is even as an anti-Tory, I would certainly never claim the Tory party at large agreed with their MP, or fostered an environment where her racial slur usage was OK, and if you think the fact that a Labour MP said a racist thing means the party must therefore support her, then that applies to every political party who have had a member suspended for racism, sexism, or anything offensive. And that's all of them.
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Could it be that the Spectator article is right, and the attitude is far more prevalent in the party than you care to admit?

I mean, the MP thought it was okay to say this, and it only became an issue once the recording was leaked, albeit to his credit the chair did step in, and she's not the only Labour MP to have made similar comments this week https://order-order.com/2022/09/28/...ed-asian-home-secretary-to-do-his-dirty-work/
 
Lost Seasider said:
Could it be that the Spectator article is right, and the attitude is far more prevalent in the party than you care to admit?

I mean, the MP thought it was okay to say this, and it only became an issue once the recording was leaked, albeit to his credit the chair did step in, and she's not the only Labour MP to have made similar comments this week https://order-order.com/2022/09/28/...ed-asian-home-secretary-to-do-his-dirty-work/
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Instead of replying to anything I said you've just repeated yourself. Yes the Labour MP thought it was ok to say this and she was wrong, as evidenced by her being kicked out. And as I just said in my post, I don't believe the fact an MP wrongly thought they would get away with it means anything, just like I don't think that when a Tory MP says something racist it means the Conservative party are. I'm consistent there, are you? Because by your logic, the Tory party are racist because they had an MP suspended in 2017 for racism. And if you want me to concede the Spectator article is right, for the sake of argument, ok...an American education policy and David Cameron are racist, as are nameless, unidentified people on 'social media'. What does that have to do with the 'large part of the Labour party'?
 
foggy said:
Instead of replying to anything I said you've just repeated yourself. Yes the Labour MP thought it was ok to say this and she was wrong, as evidenced by her being kicked out. And as I just said in my post, I don't believe the fact an MP wrongly thought they would get away with it means anything, just like I don't think that when a Tory MP says something racist it means the Conservative party are. I'm consistent there, are you? Because by your logic, the Tory party are racist because they had an MP suspended in 2017 for racism. And if you want me to concede the Spectator article is right, for the sake of argument, ok...an American education policy and David Cameron are racist, as are nameless, unidentified people on 'social media'. What does that have to do with the 'large part of the Labour party'?
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You're trying to de-rail the thread onto what you want to talk about, now answer @ElBurroSinNombre's question.
 
Lost Seasider said:
You're trying to de-rail the thread onto what you want to talk about, now answer @ElBurroSinNombre's question.
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I have, three times now. I don't know how a Labour MP felt safe to say that, she badly miscalculated and she has rightly faced consequences. You, not me, cited this as evidence that it means the party must be racist, or support her views. And I'm asking why that logic doesn't apply to the Tory party when they have to suspend an MP for racism. Because I don't think it should for either party. The actions of individual, ignorant MPs, reflect their own ignorance.
 
foggy said:
I have, three times now. I don't know how a Labour MP felt safe to say that, she badly miscalculated and she has rightly faced consequences. You, not me, cited this as evidence that it means the party must be racist, or support her views. And I'm asking why that logic doesn't apply to the Tory party when they have to suspend an MP for racism. Because I don't think it should for either party. The actions of individual, ignorant MPs, reflect their own ignorance.
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I said no such thing, I said her views appear to be representative of a significant proportion of the members, which is why she felt safe to express them, and until the recording was leaked she appears to have been correct.

You've not answered the question BTW, you've just called her stupid, which I doubt she is.
 
Lost Seasider said:
I said no such thing, I said her views appear to be representative of a significant proportion of the members, which is why she felt safe to express them, and until the recording was leaked she appears to have been correct.

You've not answered the question BTW, you've just called her stupid, which I doubt she is.
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It's the exact same thing lol, but whatever. Using your words, why doesn't a Tory MP using racial slurs "appear to be representative of a significant portion of members, which is why she felt safe to express them". Why does this apply to Labour but not the Conservatives? Because it shouldn't for either.

I have answered four times now. She shouldn't have felt safe to say them, she miscalculated. As evidenced by the fact she was suspended.
 
foggy said:
It's the exact same thing lol, but whatever. Using your words, why doesn't a Tory MP using racial slurs "appear to be representative of a significant portion of members, which is why she felt safe to express them". Why does this apply to Labour but not the Conservatives? Because it shouldn't for either.

I have answered four times now. She shouldn't have felt safe to say them, she miscalculated. As evidenced by the fact she was suspended.
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Here's what Anne-Marie Morris said at the time:

“Now I’m sure there will be many people who’ll challenge that, but my response and my request is look at the detail, it isn’t all doom and gloom. Now we get to the real n***** in the woodpile, which is, in two years what happens if there is no deal?”

So the difference is she was using the word in a figure of speech about a completely different topic (Brexit), there's no suggestion she was using it to describe a person or ethnic group in the way Rupa Huq was.

And no saying she was stupid or miscalculated is not answering the question, except to the extent that she forgot that the remarks might be recorded and leaked.
 
Lost Seasider said:
Here's what Anne-Marie Morris said at the time:

“Now I’m sure there will be many people who’ll challenge that, but my response and my request is look at the detail, it isn’t all doom and gloom. Now we get to the real n***** in the woodpile, which is, in two years what happens if there is no deal?”

So the difference is she was using the word in a figure of speech about a completely different topic (Brexit), there's no suggestion she was using it to describe a person or ethnic group in the way Rupa Huq was.

And no saying she was stupid or miscalculated is not answering the question, except to the extent that she forgot that the remarks might be recorded and leaked.
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You can see the point I'm making, surely, that there are examples of Conservatives making racist statements. Like a councillor saying there are "too many p***s" in town back in 2010. Or a councillor calling a Chinese person a "ch***" in 2015. These did not reflect the values of the Conservative party, did they? If you are trying to defend your position by saying no Tory elected official has ever said anything racist, you must know that isn't going to end well. Look no further than Boris Johnson calling black people in Africa 'pickanninies with watermelon smiles'
 
Lost Seasider said:
There were only 11 replies on the thread, and most of those were along the lines of "Boris is a liar", in fact I can't see any posts that condemn her comments at all.
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You couldn`t have looked too hard as post #10 quite clearly condemns her comments as stupid.

Talk about seeing what you want to see...
 
foggy said:
You can see the point I'm making, surely, that there are examples of Conservatives making racist statements. Like a councillor saying there are "too many p***s" in town back in 2010. Or a councillor calling a Chinese person a "ch***" in 2015. These did not reflect the values of the Conservative party, did they? If you are trying to defend your position by saying no Tory elected official has ever said anything racist, you must know that isn't going to end well. Look no further than Boris Johnson calling black people in Africa 'pickanninies with watermelon smiles'
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Picking out counsellors from 12 years ago, you're really clutching at straws.

The difference is the audience, these comments were directed at an audience of party members by an MP who believed they shared her views on the matter.
 
Tory's last stand this thread.

Lashing out trying to make something stick.

I believe a Tory has said the £ is in such trouble due to fears of a Labour government getting elected.
 
Lost Seasider said:
Picking out counsellors from 12 years ago, you're really clutching at straws.

The difference is the audience, these comments were directed at an audience of party members by an MP who believed they shared her views on the matter.
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Well also the Prime Minister of two months ago, but whatever. I'm asking you if you felt those comments were reflective of the party at large at the time not now. Was the Tory party racist in 2010 and 2015? Because I don't think they were. This is just rank hypocrisy and I promise you this will look rather silly when inevitably one bad Tory apple says something stupid and racist/homophobic. You must realise trying to hang your hat on the hope not a single Tory MP will ever say something offensive is not going to work.
 
If Lost is saying that a significant number of Labour supporters are racist due to this incident then I am sure he will be agreeing that the vast majority of Tory supporters must be racist based on the number of Tory racist issues that can be found with a quick search ?

www.thenational.scot

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TORY peer Michelle Mone has paid out more than £50,000 to settle a lawsuit over racism claims, reports say.
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The chairman of the Conservative Party in Sandwell has been suspended after a string of complaints about bullying and racism.
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Rose Martin has claimed someone hacked her account and posted offending image
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ANGER OVER TORY COUNCILLOR WHO SEES NOTHING WRONG WITH RACISM | Local Government Chronicle (LGC)

A Wealden District councillor faces the sack after posting an article on his website entitled 'There's nothing wrong with racism' in which he claimed
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The chairman of a student Scottish Conservative society has been suspended from the party amid a racism row. Jordan Hopwood, who heads up a chapter at
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bollieboy said:
If Lost is saying that a significant number of Labour supporters are racist due to this incident then I am sure he will be agreeing that the vast majority of Tory supporters must be racist based on the number of Tory racist issues that can be found with a quick search ?

www.thenational.scot

Tory peer Michelle Mone pays out £50,000 to settle 'racism' claim

TORY peer Michelle Mone has paid out more than £50,000 to settle a lawsuit over racism claims, reports say.
www.thenational.scot www.thenational.scot

www.expressandstar.com

Sandwell Conservative Party chairman suspended over bullying and racism complaints

The chairman of the Conservative Party in Sandwell has been suspended after a string of complaints about bullying and racism.
www.expressandstar.com www.expressandstar.com

www.theguardian.com

Walsall mayor suspended from Tory party over racist WhatsApp post

Rose Martin has claimed someone hacked her account and posted offending image
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com

ANGER OVER TORY COUNCILLOR WHO SEES NOTHING WRONG WITH RACISM | Local Government Chronicle (LGC)

A Wealden District councillor faces the sack after posting an article on his website entitled 'There's nothing wrong with racism' in which he claimed
www.lgcplus.com www.lgcplus.com

www.pressandjournal.co.uk

Aberdeen student Tory suspended from party amidst racism row

The chairman of a student Scottish Conservative society has been suspended from the party amid a racism row. Jordan Hopwood, who heads up a chapter at
www.pressandjournal.co.uk www.pressandjournal.co.uk

www.itv.com

Dossier exposes 'more than 100 accusations of Islamophobia and racism by Tories' | ITV News

ITV News can exclusively reveal 19 of the 110 allegations are fresh allegations. | ITV National News
www.itv.com www.itv.com

www.politicshome.com

Conservative ex-minister joins attacks on Tory local election leaflet branded 'racist'

A Conservative former minister has lashed out at an allegedly racist party leaflet that accused Labour of planning to create an “inner c...
www.politicshome.com www.politicshome.com
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The difference is the audience, if those things had been said by an MP to the members at conference then indeed it would've been a major problem, as it is, that's just a collection of idiots.
 
Lost Seasider said:
The difference is the audience, if those things had been said by an MP to the members at conference then indeed it would've been a major problem, as it is, that's just a collection of idiots.
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Nonsense, several of them were posted online where there is clearly an audience.
One of them was in an election leaflet delivered to people's houses.
 
Lost Seasider said:
The difference is the audience, if those things had been said by an MP to the members at conference then indeed it would've been a major problem, as it is, that's just a collection of idiots.
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It was a fringe meeting. There might have been 20 people there, some of these fringe events are tiny. The clue is in the name, they aren't mainstream. Even stop the war people turn up every year despite Starmer basically calling them Putin apologists and vociferously committing to NATO in his speech. It's incredibly disingenuous to portray a fringe meeting as representative of the majority of Labour.
 
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