Lavery and Joseph

Wizaard said:
Not really. Lavery's touch has always been terrible while Joseph works hard but never looks like scoring.

For all the criticism of Beesley, he showed more threat in 15 minutes that the pair of them in 75.
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I thought Bees and Kouassi looked like forwards whereas Lavs is just a bit average and Joseph doesn't look like a striker at all.
 
Wizaard said:
Not really. Lavery's touch has always been terrible while Joseph works hard but never looks like scoring.

For all the criticism of Beesley, he showed more threat in 15 minutes that the pair of them in 75.
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I go back to our opening game in the Championship. He came off the bench and scored a crucial tap in. A six yard box poacher. That's what I want but that's what I've not seen. I'd be saying to Lavery "forget coming deep, make the six yard box yours. If you touch the ball twice in a game and it's two goals, you've done your job." I don't think that's what he's told.
 
Lavery had a good couple of months or so when we first signed him. Since then he's been rubbish. Beesley and Kouassi not god enough either but I'd keep Kouassi to try to develop him. Joseph I think will come good eventually. We need a new first choice striker though desperately.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
Not true. He had loads of potential. He needs playing the right way with better players.
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The key word is ‘had’ - Lavs has never been the same since he injured his hamstring against Blackburn in the first season in the Champ. He I is simply not the same player and has not progressed at all. His ball control is poor, he isn’t that quick and always looks to me like he is carrying to much timber. I think he might be a Rooney type who needs to play to keep his fitness up and weight down. Can’t deny he gives his all but does not score anywhere near enough and is too injury prone.

Ultimately he is not good enough. Needs to go in the summer.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
I'd like to agree but I didn't see any confidence on the pitch.
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They both run on to through passes, to start them as a pair with nobody supplying the passes made no sense. I agree with you about the lack of confidence in the squad, the starting 11s forever changing yet rarely being the right combination isn't helping with that.
 
Seasidedaz said:
The key word is ‘had’ - Lavs has never been the same since he injured his hamstring against Blackburn in the first season in the Champ. He I is simply not the same player and has not progressed at all. His ball control is poor, he isn’t that quick and always looks to me like he is carrying to much timber. I think he might be a Rooney type who needs to play to keep his fitness up and weight down. Can’t deny he gives his all but does not score anywhere near enough and is too injury prone.

Ultimately he is not good enough. Needs to go in the summer.
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Agree with your assessment but who is responsible? He works for Critchley. Critchley has to make him an asset to the club. He hasn't.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
Agree with your assessment but who is responsible? He works for Critchley. Critchley has to make him an asset to the club. He hasn't.
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Don’t totally agree with that - Sure Critchley is responsible for his development but if you look at the total amount of time he has been out injured it’s substantial. Feels a bit like his hamstrings are made of paper. Critchley can only do so much but the player has to progress and Lavery simply has not done since the injury against Blackburn. Sadly i think he has found his level which is a bang average - possibly even a poor - lg1 (at best) striker
 
Seasidedaz said:
Don’t totally agree with that - Sure Critchley is responsible for his development but if you look at the total amount of time he has been out injured it’s substantial. Feels a bit like his hamstrings are made of paper. Critchley can only do so much but the player has to progress and Lavery simply has not done since the injury against Blackburn. Sadly i think he has found his level which is a bang average - possibly even a poor - lg1 (at best) striker
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I do hope not. I initially saw him as a Championship version of Rooney. Yes he's gone backwards. Perhaps he needs a change of team.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
I do hope not. I initially saw him as a Championship version of Rooney. Yes he's gone backwards. Perhaps he needs a change of team.
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You could be right. Sometimes it just runs its course with a player and a change does them the world of good. Whatever it is for me it was last chance saloon today- he needed to take the game by the scruff of the neck and he simply didn’t. If we want to be serious contenders next season he needs to go I’m afraid.
 
Critchknows said:
Lavery had a good couple of months or so when we first signed him. Since then he's been rubbish. Beesley and Kouassi not god enough either but I'd keep Kouassi to try to develop him. Joseph I think will come good eventually. We need a new first choice striker though desperately.
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Joseph with a career to date goals per game ratio of 1 in 6 is one of the worst forward signings in many years...an expensive flop.
 
If you looked at the various strengths and weaknesses of our strikers, actually all of our players a good coach could leverage the strengths that the players have, and through coaching mitigate the weaknesses. But he doesn't do that, critchley tries to fit players into a system that he simply copies from what he sees klopp and pep doing. It's a shame really because he had some promise in his first stint, and a club owner prepared to back him. Even his interviews these days to me portray someone who is delusional in respect of what's happening around him, in the past his interviews were certainly more cautious but significantly more honest.
 
65 & Counting said:
Joseph with a career to date goals per game ratio of 1 in 6 is one of the worst forward signings in many years...an expensive flop.
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Yeh he may well turn out to be but with his age and his effort I just think he will come good. Like I said we still need a new first choice striker though
 
Critchknows said:
Yeh he may well turn out to be but with his age and his effort I just think he will come good. Like I said we still need a new first choice striker though
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The issue is that he's not a striker. So just what position do you play him particularly when he contributes so little. I'd ditch him.
 
65 & Counting said:
The issue is that he's not a striker. So just what position do you play him particularly when he contributes so little. I'd ditch him.
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Unfortunately with his performances this season I doubt anyone would have him off us 😂. Like I said I'd give him another year, proper pre season behind him and hopefully if we bring in another few better quality players around him he will come good. That's the hope anyway
 
gjr said:
They both run on to through passes, to start them as a pair with nobody supplying the passes made no sense. I agree with you about the lack of confidence in the squad, the starting 11s forever changing yet rarely being the right combination isn't helping with that.
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Lavery had a clear run and was caught up by a lumbering centre half. He's never been the same since he did his hammy.
 
Critchknows said:
Unfortunately with his performances this season I doubt anyone would have him off us 😂. Like I said I'd give him another year, proper pre season behind him and hopefully if we bring in another few better quality players around him he will come good. That's the hope anyway
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Nothing will change for the better under Sadler & Critchley. The football side is regressing and league 2 football is not far away.
 
hertfordseasider said:
Critchley
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Can’t blame critch for their lack of goals. They are missing chances and that’s their fault. They are not getting great service but when they are in front of goal they are missing the target. When Joseph did get on target today their keeper made decent stops.
Critch is to blame for some things but ffs the players cannot be excused and blame critch.
 
Sandgrown1 said:
Can’t blame critch for their lack of goals. They are missing chances and that’s their fault. They are not getting great service but when they are in front of goal they are missing the target. When Joseph did get on target today their keeper made decent stops.
Critch is to blame for some things but ffs the players cannot be excused and blame critch.
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Pray tell me who signed our 4 so called strikers?
 
That wasn’t what the thread or post I responded to was about.
Lavery is not the player he was due to constant injuries and not getting any run of games between injury layoffs.
Joseph? I dunno, he was somehow part of the deal with Jerry and I’d say SS was as much in the know as critch and everyone else and probs a joint thing to bring him in.
Maybe Lavery’s shitty hamstrings are crictchleys fault too?
Just cannot blame him for everything mate.
 
Lavery has definitely gone downhill - am not sure we've ever seen anything from Joseph to give us a comparison. He just seems to exist in games rather than make an impact.
 
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