Less pressure, more reward.

[Oneofthebigboys]

Having had a few days to think about Critchel‘s departure, im at the thinking that it was a no brainier for him.
Maybe a double your money pay increase, and a relief of the pressure, he’s been thrown into a job he doesn’t know, struggled for a while and then done really well.
Half way through the season I got the impression he thought we were under achieving, and was despondent.
Maybe wanted a push financially in January, I don’t think he could have turned this job down at this point, young family and all.
Also I’m guessing if it all goes wrong at Villa, his stock is high enough to get a good Champ manager job anyway.

If all fails at Villa, he’d walk into a similar job he’s just left?

 

[BFC_BFC_BFC]

I’m not sure I agree with a lot of that..

Firstly, it probably was a ‘no brainier’ for him, given the fact that he seems to have made a pretty quick decision and couldn’t be persuaded to stay, however I’m not at all convinced by the logic.

More money - Well I can certainly see the attraction in that, but I’m not convinced the disparity is quite as big as some have suggested… It’s a factor, but I don’t think it’s the main one as he was on decent money and at some point a bigger job than the one he’s taken at Villa was on the cards.

Less Pressure - Absolutely no chance - for starters he’ll be under at least as much pressure (if not more) at Villa, where the expectation is much higher, the potential risk is much greater and he’s not in full control of his own destiny. He’s in the wrong job altogether if he doesn’t thrive on pressure.

“Half way through the season he was despondent” - Despondent ? Really? I’m not convinced that is a true reflection at all. He signed a new long term deal and was on top of the world …. I think he may have been disappointed by the final league position (and very disappointed with the last couple of results, but that’s only because he has a winning mentality…

He might have wanted a financial push in January, but he was also well aware of the philosophy at Blackpool and had bought into it…

“Young Family” - He was hardly destitute and has left an extremely secure role for one that could disappear from under him in a matter of months.

“His Stock” - His stock was already going to be high enough to see bigger and better offers on the table, so there was no pressing need to jump.

He’s gone IMO, simply because of the relationship with Gerard and the opportunity to play a significant part in developing and coaching players at Premier League level.

I don’t think it’s anything more than a job that he felt was the right fit for him coming along with an individual he holds in high regard and him taking it.

 

[FlytoKavala]

Nothing to lose at Villa. Wont win the league but unlikely to be relegated so it's easy street.

 

[BFC_BFC_BFC]

Nothing to lose at Villa. Wont win the league but unlikely to be relegated so it's easy street.

“Easy Street” is the last reason in the world that he’s gone there.

 

[braymarina]

I think he had it all with us, supportive owner and people around him, a canvass to paint on as the club develop, shaping structures and styles for years to come. Maybe it just got too much for him and he ran out of self belief when his mate knocked on the door.

As for money, what was he on with us, say £250k or more. He might struggle to fill his car up with that soon but it helps build a cushion to fall back on if things go tits up at some point. A five year contract helps in that too.

In the end I just don't think that Niel was up to the job in front of him, or he had doubts that he was and took a less complicated option.

 

[voyeur]

It's a big step up for Critchley. He'll effectively be the chief coach at one of England's biggest clubs, pushing to get into Europe and competing tactically with Klopp, Guardiola, Ten Haag etc. Gerrard said a year ago that he was 15 to 20 years behind Michael Beale in coaching development terms, so let's him get on with it. So Critch has a big responsibility ahead of him and, if he succeeds, it will massively boost his future options. The England job wouldn't be too big a stretch, possibly.

 

[BFC_BFC_BFC]

FWIW I think it also confirms that Blackpool FC still has a very long way to go before we can consider ourselves a serious Football Club at Championship Level.

We’ve obviously made massive strides, but the resources and scale of the Clubs we are competing against, means we are up against it really.

When Beale (who is streets ahead of Critchley) views QPR as a step forward in his career progression and NC feels that filling his shoes is a step up from the top job at Blackpool, it tells its own story.

As I mentioned on another thread, the issue we now have is not so much meeting the ambition and expectation of our board and fanbase, but rather potential managers / coaches.

Generally speaking ambitious individuals are looking for an opportunity to win things.

 

[Boltonseasider]

In the end I just don't think that Niel was up to the job in front of him, or he had doubts that he was and took a less complicated option.

Agreed. The last few games of the season felt different and I wonder if there was something going on with him then. Fair enough if he'd decided he didn't want the hassle of being a head coach anymore and would rather be someone's no 2, but the manner in which he left was utterly disrespectful to the Club and supporters who had given him such fantastic backing.

 

[Mark_GT]

I bet he does a very impressive powerpoint. Transitions, sound, the lot.

 

[BFC_BFC_BFC]

Agreed. The last few games of the season felt different and I wonder if there was something going on with him then. Fair enough if he'd decided he didn't want the hassle of being a head coach anymore and would rather be someone's no 2, but the manner in which he left was utterly disrespectful to the Club and supporters who had given him such fantastic backing.

I don’t get this “The manner in which he left” business …

What are we looking for as far as “leaving in a good manner” is concerned, because every manager that has ever left us, we’ve said exactly the same thing

 

[voyeur]

Beale and Critchley are on different career paths - it doesn't make sense to say what one is doing is wrong cos the other is doing the opposite.

 

[BFC_BFC_BFC]

Beale and Critchley are on different career paths - it doesn't make sense to say what one is doing is wrong cos the other is doing the opposite.

I’m not sure if that’s in reference to my comments, but to clarify regardless, I’m not saying that either of them “has done something wrong”…

I’m not sure you can just ignore or dismiss the comparison as irrelevant mind you…

At the very least it may offer some insight into a) Their individual aspirations and b) how our Club and others are perceived in the ‘pecking order’

 

[Lost Seasider]

Beale and Critchley are on different career paths - it doesn't make sense to say what one is doing is wrong cos the other is doing the opposite.

I think they're on very similar career paths, just taking the steps in a slightly different order.

Youth manager, no 1.5 at a big club, then manager in your own right in the second flight and then hopefully move up to being a top flight manager, and if it doesn't work out, go back to a lesser role and still pick up buckets of cash. Critch has reversed steps 2 and 3, which is a bit unusual, but otherwise they're both doing the same thing.

 

[voyeur]

I’m not sure if that’s in reference to my comments, but to clarify regardless, I’m not saying that either of them “has done something wrong”…

I’m not sure you can just ignore or dismiss the comparison as irrelevant mind you…

At the very least it may offer some insight into a) Their individual aspirations and b) how our Club and others are perceived in the ‘pecking order’

It's just my opinion and I know that quite a few people on here and twitter etc including yourself have said that Critchley is taking a backward step and I don't agree. I think people react with anger and then say things like 'he's taking a backwards step' and 'he's bottled it' etc. I was pretty pissed off when I found out he'd quit but I never thought 'why's he's gone there to be no.2' or anything like that. The progression seemed pretty obvious to me.

 

[voyeur]

I think they're on very similar career paths, just taking the steps in a slightly different order.

Youth manager, no 1.5 at a big club, then manager in your own right in the second flight and then hopefully move up to being a top flight manager, and if it doesn't work out, go back to a lesser role and still pick up buckets of cash. Critch has reversed steps 2 and 3, which is a bit unusual, but otherwise they're both doing the same thing.

They are different paths. The destinations are yet to be revealed and they don't know their destinations themselves. They may well have preferences though, and they may not have the same desired end goal. Where they actually end up will depend on what their individual strengths and weaknesses are, when pushed at the top level, as much as anything.

 

[AngelBFC]

Having had a few days to think about Critchel‘s departure, im at the thinking that it was a no brainier for him.
Maybe a double your money pay increase, and a relief of the pressure, he’s been thrown into a job he doesn’t know, struggled for a while and then done really well.
Half way through the season I got the impression he thought we were under achieving, and was despondent.
Maybe wanted a push financially in January, I don’t think he could have turned this job down at this point, young family and all.
Also I’m guessing if it all goes wrong at Villa, his stock is high enough to get a good Champ manager job anyway.

If all fails at Villa, he’d walk into a similar job he’s just left?

I suspect he was being looked after very well financially here.

 

[SpionKop]

“Easy Street” is the last reason in the world that he’s gone there.

the most pressurised league in football, easy street is the last thing it will be

 

[BFC_BFC_BFC]

I think they're on very similar career paths, just taking the steps in a slightly different order.

Youth manager, no 1.5 at a big club, then manager in your own right in the second flight and then hopefully move up to being a top flight manager, and if it doesn't work out, go back to a lesser role and still pick up buckets of cash. Critch has reversed steps 2 and 3, which is a bit unusual, but otherwise they're both doing the same thing.

I think I probably agree with this... I'd be very surprised if Critchley doesn't ultimately have ambitions to be a Number 1. Of course , there are always people willing to play second fiddle, but it's rarely out of choice and more likely down to forced limitations. Sportspeople naturally tend to strive to be the best they can possibly be.

It did briefly cross my mind that the whole shenanigans might be part of some kind of Liverpool Succession Masterplan "Go out and gain some experience" etc.., but I think that's probably a bit far fetched

It's just my opinion and I know that quite a few people on here and twitter etc including yourself have said that Critchley is taking a backward step and I don't agree. I think people react with anger and then say things like 'he's taking a backwards step' and 'he's bottled it' etc. I was pretty pissed off when I found out he'd quit but I never thought 'why's he's gone there to be no.2' or anything like that. The progression seemed pretty obvious to me.

I can't say I'm particularly angry where Critchley is concerned... I was disappointed, because I felt he had great potential and was a decent fit for us as a club, but I bear him no ill will and I appreciate the fact he's left us better off than he found us Our opinions obviously differ on this, but I'm not sure Critchley will view the move as a backward step and nor do I think he's bottled it.... I just think it was an opportunity that suited him at this time working with someone he clearly admires / respects and already has a good relationship with.

As I've said before, generally speaking, I think it's fair to say that a move from Number 1 to Number 2 is going to be viewed as a backward step and plenty within the game will simply view the move in that context, but the key for me (as I think I mentioned above) is really in where he could reasonably expect to take Blackpool next and what that might add to his CV. As it is, I accept he gets out of the Job with his reputation in tact, when realistically he's only going to be treading water or going backwards from here, barring something quite spectacular.... With the Villa move he gets to retreat back behind the chopping block to get some more experience and gain significant credit if things go well and probably come away relatively unscathed if it doesn't work out.

I think in contrast, QPR are likely to Pay significantly more than Blackpool, but also be viewed as a Club that has a reasonable chance of knocking on the EPL door. Plus Beale is at a more advanced stage to take up that particular challenge.

 

[voyeur]

I can't say I'm particularly angry where Critchley is concerned... I was disappointed, because I felt he had great potential and was a decent fit for us as a club, but I bear him no ill will and I appreciate the fact he's left us better off than he found us Our opinions obviously differ on this, but I'm not sure Critchley will view the move as a backward step and nor do I think he's bottled it.... I just think it was an opportunity that suited him at this time working with someone he clearly admires / respects and already has a good relationship with.

As I've said before, generally speaking, I think it's fair to say that a move from Number 1 to Number 2 is going to be viewed as a backward step and plenty within the game will simply view the move in that context, but the key for me (as I think I mentioned above) is really in where he could reasonably expect to take Blackpool next and what that might add to his CV. As it is, I accept he gets out of the Job with his reputation in tact, when realistically he's only going to be treading water or going backwards from here, barring something quite spectacular.... With the Villa move he gets to retreat back behind the chopping block to get some more experience and gain significant credit if things go well and probably come away relatively unscathed if it doesn't work out.

I think in contrast, QPR are likely to Pay significantly more than Blackpool, but also be viewed as a Club that has a reasonable chance of knocking on the EPL door. Plus Beale is at a more advanced stage to take up that particular challenge.

So Villa is not the backward step you thought it was last weekend then? You were hell bent on persuading that Critchley had gone backwards, and pouring scorn on the idea that it was a progressive move for him. The various non Blackpool fans I've spoken to think the move makes perfect sense for him. Cos it clearly does.

 

[BFC_BFC_BFC]

So Villa is not the backward step you thought it was last weekend then? You were hell bent on persuading that Critchley had gone backwards, and pouring scorn on the idea that it was a progressive move for him. The various non Blackpool fans I've spoken to think the move makes perfect sense for him. Cos it clearly does.

Firstly, I don’t engage in debate on here to ‘win’, I take a position and strongly challenge any opposing argument in an attempt to further my own understanding. So I don’t have an issue with changing my perspective regularly as I’m never particularly married to an opinion.

As I consistently said last week though , ‘generally speaking’ the move from No 1 to No 2 would be viewed as a backward step. By chance, I spoke to someone from within the game at weekend and that was the attitude (pretty dismissive). I actually Put the counter argument to them and essentially it was dismissed with “he’s dropped a Number 1 position for a Number 2 though” and a shrugged shoulder to suggest everything else was just window dressing!!

It clearly makes sense to Critchley as he’s made the move. Whether it’s the right move is open to debate… I can certainly rationalise why he would make it, because it’s not ‘general’ from his perspective and it’s the right personal fit for him.

Right now, I suppose I’m more interested in the relative moves in terms of how QPR and Blackpool measure up really…. The other discussion has run it’s course and I can see both sides

 

[voyeur]

Firstly, I don’t engage in debate on here to ‘win’, I take a position and strongly challenge any opposing argument in an attempt to further my own understanding. So I don’t have an issue with changing my perspective regularly as I’m never married to an opinion.

As I consistently said last week though , ‘generally speaking’ the move from No 1 to No 2 would be viewed as a backward step. By chance, I spoke to someone from within the game at weekend and that was the attitude (pretty dismissive). I actually Put the counter argument to them and essentially it was dismissed with “he’s dropped a Number 1 position for a Number 2 though” and a shrugged shoulder to suggest everything else was just window dressing!!

It clearly makes sense to Critchley as he’s made the move. Whether it’s the right move is open to debate… I can certainly rationalise why he would make it, because it’s not ‘general’ from his perspective and it’s the right personal fit for him.

Right now, I suppose I’m more interested in the relative moves in terms of how QPR and Blackpool measure up really…. The other discussion has run it’s course and I can see both sides

I never suggested you were trying to win but you became dismissive and scornful and it really got on my tits, obviously. and tbh you were wrong despite your apparent certainty that I was talking bollocks, and your doing that revisionist stiff now that suggests that you were saying the same thing all along, and can see both sides etc, but you were very set in a position and ridiculing the alternative view. I'm only saying this because of how you spoke. I only come on here to have a discussion. But even got told I was jealous of your superior debating skills. Which was pretty ludicrous, IMO.

Anyway. I think Critch has done pretty well for himself. I think the timing was good for him, as he had probably taken us as far as he could on the pitch, given the limited resources. And we may well benefit from fresh impetus, if we get the new appointment right.

 

[AngelBFC]

I suspect he will just follow Stevie G around for the rest of his career and be a good no2

If he enjoyed being a no1 so much he would have stayed.

As a no1 he ll get mithered by the press he’s directly answerable to the board fans love or hate him dependant on results

The lack of communication from him since he left says it all

All a bit too much

I suspect he just wants to do his work in the shadows which is fair enough

 

[BFC_BFC_BFC]

I never suggested you were trying to win but you became dismissive and scornful and it really got on my tits, obviously. and tbh you were wrong despite your apparent certainty that I was talking bollocks, and your doing that revisionist stiff now that suggests that you were saying the same thing all along, and can see both sides etc, but you were very set in a position and ridiculing the alternative view. I'm only saying this because of how you spoke. I only come on here to have a discussion. But even got told I was jealous of your superior debating skills. Which was pretty ludicrous, IMO.

Anyway. I think Critch has done pretty well for himself. I think the timing was good for him, as he had probably taken us as far as he could on the pitch, given the limited resources. And we may well benefit from fresh impetus, if we get the new appointment right.

I became dismissive and started to take the piss out of you, because I was trying to have a discussion and debate with someone who's objective came across to me so as to snip away and belittle my opinion, because they've got a preconception about the person behind the keyboard. Ultimately, I lost patience with being repeatedly reminded that My Opinion was in fact "My Opinion".

Like I said, I pay tend to pay these things very little mind, so If I've upset you in the heat of the moment, then sorry for that... I'm not one to dwell on these things or take stuff to heart / hold grudges etc.. It's just not that important... Every day's a new day as far as I'm concerned and as I've said, I've no fear in having a different opinion from one day to the next... half the time I'm just throwing shit out there to see what comes back.

By the way, I'd have liked to have thought that it would have been quite obvious that suggesting you were "Jealous of my superior debating skills" was a mickey take, but hey ho... Clearly I'm not the Comedian I thought I was either.

I agree with your last sentence pretty much..

 

[voyeur]

I became dismissive and started to take the piss out of you, because I was trying to have a discussion and debate with someone who's objective came across to me so as to snip away and belittle my opinion, because they've got a preconception about the person behind the keyboard. Ultimately, I lost patience with being repeatedly reminded that My Opinion was in fact "My Opinion".

Like I said, I pay tend to pay these things very little mind, so If I've upset you in the heat of the moment, then sorry for that... I'm not one to dwell on these things or take stuff to heart / hold grudges etc.. It's just not that important... Every day's a new day as far as I'm concerned and as I've said, I've no fear in having a different opinion from one day to the next... half the time I'm just throwing shit out there to see what comes back.

By the way, I'd have liked to have thought that it would have been quite obvious that suggesting you were "Jealous of my superior debating skills" was a mickey take, but hey ho... Clearly I'm not the Comedian I thought I was either.

I agree with your last sentence pretty much..

I wasn't doing that at all. There was nothing I said that justified the way you started ridiculing what was a perfectly reasonable view, and one that you have since moved towards. If I took your jealousy comment in the wrong way, it was because of the context and manner in which it was presented.

Anyway, I don't hold grudges either. But I prefer to straighten things out.

 

[clappers]

Before opening the thread, I was thinking this would be about a new manager coming into BFC. There would have been more pressure on Critchley to deliver than a new manager who will have a grace period and a decent base to work with to try and emulate last year with anything else a bonus. Critch would probably have been expected to improve us still further with a more attacking way of playing which might well have been beyond him.

As it is, I’m not convinced by the OP at all

 

[BFC_BFC_BFC]

I wasn't doing that at all. There was nothing I said that justified the way you started ridiculing what was a perfectly reasonable view, and one that you have since moved towards. If I took your jealousy comment in the wrong way, it was because of the context and manner in which it was presented.

Anyway, I don't hold grudges either. But I prefer to straighten things out.

If you prefer to straighten things out, then maybe go back and read the discussion we had with an open mind and some understanding of how your own comments might have been perceived by me. I'll acknowledge you were having a discussion with a number of other people at the time, but you made the same belittling comment to me three or four times, where I very politely responded, before I eventually gave you some ribbing in return.

Essentially from my perspective, when you are continually telling me "It's your opinion", "In your imagination" etc.. when only offering up your own opinion in response, you are essentially assuming a position which suggests (as far as I am concerned) that your opinion carries greater weight than mine... in other words you use the phrase "In your opinion" to belittle or diminish me and said opinion..

Prior to me becoming frustrated with you... Kurt had cause to mention the discourtesy shown to me... So it wasn't just me that noticed ... Except you chose to ignore Kurt and me and simply tell us we were both wrong etc..

Of course, then I responded with a few sarky comments and you went full **, **, Wanker towards me....

I can only tell you how it felt / came across from my perspective....

It's no big deal.... The written word can sometimes be misinterpreted.... It won't be the first time it will happen on here

 

[Blackpool Are Back!]

I never thought 'why's he's gone there to be no.2' or anything like that. The progression seemed pretty obvious to me.

But he hasn't gone as No.2.
It turns out, he's gone as No.3 (behind McAllister), which makes it all the more baffling.

 

[Lost Seasider]

But he hasn't gone as No.2.
It turns out, he's gone as No.3 (behind McAllister), which makes it all the more baffling.

Has he?

You have evidence for that statement?

 

[voyeur]

If you prefer to straighten things out, then maybe go back and read the discussion we had with an open mind and some understanding of how your own comments might have been perceived by me. I'll acknowledge you were having a discussion with a number of other people at the time, but you made the same belittling comment to me three or four times, where I very politely responded, before I eventually gave you some ribbing in return.

Essentially from my perspective, when you are continually telling me "It's your opinion", "In your imagination" etc.. when only offering up your own opinion in response, you are essentially assuming a position which suggests (as far as I am concerned) that your opinion carries greater weight than mine... in other words you use the phrase "In your opinion" to belittle or diminish me and said opinion..

Prior to me becoming frustrated with you... Kurt had cause to mention the discourtesy shown to me... So it wasn't just me that noticed ... Except you chose to ignore Kurt and me and simply tell us we were both wrong etc..

Of course, then I responded with a few sarky comments and you went full **, **, Wanker towards me....

I can only tell you how it felt / came across from my perspective....

It's no big deal.... The written word can sometimes be misinterpreted.... It won't be the first time it will happen on here

Basically you and Kurt took one phrase as discourteous - when I said 'in your imagination'. It wasn't discourteous, I was simply pointing out that it was something you imagined, in your own words, rather than factual. I didn't keep saying that, or 'in your opinion'. I lost it simply cos you then flipped into being really arrogant and ridiculing and I wasn't in the mood for it. I'm sorry I lost it, but I felt provoked.

I'm in the middle of making beer and I'd rather focus on that, make sure I don't screw it up, but thanks for responding.

 

[Blackpool Are Back!]

Has he?

You have evidence for that statement?

Thought it was common knowledge.

A link was posted on here earlier in the week about Critchley becoming No.3 in the pecking order, behind Gerrard & Gary McAllister..

Unless Gary McAllister has volunteered to step down for Critchley next season, when Gerrard is sent to the stands.

 

[BFC_BFC_BFC]

Basically you and Kurt took one phrase as discourteous - when I said 'in your imagination'. It wasn't discourteous, I was simply pointing out that it was something you imagined, in your own words, rather than factual. I didn't keep saying that, or 'in your opinion'. I lost it simply cos you then flipped into being really arrogant and ridiculing and I wasn't in the mood for it. I'm sorry I lost it, but I felt provoked.

I'm in the middle of making beer and I'd rather focus on that, make sure I don't screw it up, but thanks for responding.

At the risk of stringing this out further than necessary... I had thought we'd put it to bed, but given you decided to bring it up then we ought to be very straight about what did happen. You did repeatedly say "In My Opinion" and it came across to me as arrogant, which is precisely why I retorted arrogantly....

So here's how the conversation played out from my perspective....

No 1

That's just your mind though tbf. I really don't think it's very difficult to see why Critch wanted that job. He'll be coaching higher up. That's his aim, I think. He had a good job here, but it's a tough gig managing a Championship club on a low budget. And I think he's mainly a coach.

So I politely remind you that we are both on an even footing in that regard....

Of course it’s my mind and likewise the alternative is just your mind.

Despite me politely reminding you our minds / opinions are on a level footing you apparently persist by discourteously responding to me with a further put down... No need to even bother with a proper response, simply reminding me that it's "my opinion" and therefore apparently has no worth, is sufficient retort.

In your opinion.

So again, I don't rise to it and simply try to politely remind you that we are both sharing opinions on an equal footing and that there's no need to make that put down.

Obviously, it’s all just opinions…The fact that the position only became available, due to his predecessor advancing / developing his career by taking on a managers job at a Championship Club gives a pretty clear indication of how the move would be viewed in a wider context.

Then you come back next with this.... As I viewed it, another personally aimed dig... Of course I paint my own sentences to suit my own argument... We all do.. You do... I do ... Everyone does... So as I see it, first you devalue my contribution / my opinion and then you criticise my right to engage in debate on an equal footing to you...

It's not a few quid though is it? It's millions. You paint every sentence to suit your argument.

I try to ignore you again and attempt to put forward some factual context....

Beale was on around £600K per year and so that would be the sort of salary that Critch would be moving for. I’d imagine he would have been on a decent salary with Blackpool…

And you then opt for a further put down.....

Your imagination again.

At which point Kurt questions your comment and I think, "I'm sick of this, I'm going to challenge this bloke for continually attacking me instead of debating the subject"..... Then what follows is you taking exception to me challenging you for what I perceived to be a series of put downs.


So whilst it may have appeared to you as a random change in attitude towards arrogance, to me it was a build up of a number of individual comments from you that I perceived as arrogant which resulted in me....

And I'm still struggling to see how any of your comments could be construed as anything other than arrogant put downs, as opposed to a genuine attempt to engage is reasonable debate... Off the cuff "in your opinion" or "Your imagination again" is just flippant and pretty rude and frankly it couldn't ever really be construed as anything else.


I've obviously already apologised, but I also felt provoked...

 

[Lost Seasider]

Thought it was common knowledge.

A link was posted on here earlier in the week about Critchley becoming No.3 in the pecking order, behind Gerrard & Gary McAllister..

Unless Gary McAllister has volunteered to step down for Critchley next season, when Gerrard is sent to the stands.

I don't remember any such link, and Critchley's place in the pecking order is uncertain.

Some have suggested that McA is above Critchley because he's been there longer, however Beale was very much above McC as a "virtual co-manager", so my take is that Critchley has gone there to replace Beale, in which case McA remains very much "the guy who puts the cones out" and Critchley is the new no 1.5.

In any event, the question I asked was do you have any evidence for your claim, and the answer is no.

 

[voyeur]

I don't have the willpower to pick it apart to that extent I'm afraid. That's your slant and it's not mine, you've just cherry picked. We'll just have to agree to disagree. Life is too short.

 

[Blackpool Are Back!]

I don't remember any such link, and Critchley's place in the pecking order is uncertain.

Some have suggested that McA is above Critchley because he's been there longer, however Beale was very much above McC as a "virtual co-manager", so my take is that Critchley has gone there to replace Beale, in which case McA remains very much "the guy who puts the cones out" and Critchley is the new no 1.5.

In any event, the question I asked was do you have any evidence for your claim, and the answer is no.

LOL....I've got better things to do, than search through the threads just to find it for for you.

Seeing as you're so bothered about it and got more time on your hands, do you have any evidence to suggest McAllister isnt No.2?

 

[Lost Seasider]

LOL....Well I'm not so bothered about it like you, that I'm going to search through the threads to find it for for you.

Seeing as youre so keen, do you have any evidence to suggest McAllister isnt No.2?

The evidence is that Beale was above, McA and almost on a par with Gerrard, the logic is that if McA was stepping up to replace Beale then you wouldn't appoint an established Championship manager to replace McA and such a person wouldn't accept the role anyway, in which case the logic is that Critchley is there to replace Beale and McA remains no.3.

 

[Blackpool Are Back!]

The evidence is that Beale was above, McA and almost on a par with Gerrard, the logic is that if McA was stepping up to replace Beale then you wouldn't appoint an established Championship manager to replace McA and such a person wouldn't accept the role anyway, in which case the logic is that Critchley is there to replace Beale and McA remains no.3.

Well we will see when Gerrard inevitably gets sent off.

 

[clappers]

It seems to me that it’s a set up with Gerrard as the name and the media fronter and the final decision maker; whilst Critchley will be like a silent tactics master; and McAllister does the donkey work with the players with no one having any particular seniority underneath Gerrard.

 

[BFC_BFC_BFC]

I don't have the willpower to pick it apart to that extent I'm afraid. That's your slant and it's not mine, you've just cherry picked. We'll just have to agree to disagree. Life is too short.

Of course it’s my slant….(You’re at it again ) and yours is your slant. I’m not picking it apart, I’m just putting the facts in front of you and explaining how you came across to me.

You’re correct that life is too short…. So why bother bringing it up a week later?

You did exactly the same last week… one minute you’re firing bullets in my direction and then suddenly when challenged you recoil into victim mode… Today you come out all guns blazing and wanting to confront the issue that I’d just let lie and then when you struggle with the response, you suddenly can’t be arsed. and want to curl up into a ball:

You raise an issue and I patiently take time out to clearly explain where I’m coming from and then you just arrogantly shut the conversation down, making out that I’m to boring to listen to.


You’re full of shit fella

 

[voyeur]

Of course it’s my slant….(You’re at it again ) and yours is your slant. I’m not picking it apart, I’m just putting the facts in front of you and explaining how you came across to me.

You’re correct that life is too short…. So why bother bringing it up a week later?

You did exactly the same last week… one minute you’re firing bullets in my direction and then suddenly when challenged you recoil into victim mode… Today you come out all guns blazing and wanting to confront the issue that I’d just let lie and then when you struggle with the response, you suddenly can’t be arsed. and want to curl up into a ball:

You raise an issue and I patiently take time out to clearly explain where I’m coming from and then you just arrogantly shut the conversation down, making out that I’m to boring to listen to.


You’re full of shit fella

Nice. I was busy this afternoon, and I'm tired. And I am bored, tbh, yes. But I'm partly to blame, not pointing that at you. You're full of shit too though. I have to say.

 

[BFC_BFC_BFC]

Nice. I was busy this afternoon, and I'm tired. And I am bored, tbh, yes. But I'm partly to blame, not pointing that at you. You're full of shit too though. I have to say.

Well at least that’s something we can agree on…


(Me being full of shit that is)

 

[Dougall]

Half way through the season I got the impression he thought we were under achieving, and was despondent.

More to the point responsible. Not sure what went on in his head to be honest - I remember when we beat Swansea 1-0 and scored early doors and we were awful that day and yet Critch just seemed to one happy to hang on. Made for a mind numbingly dull game and maybe was the moment I realised he was more a results man than football man.