lets be careful what we are asking for

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alanm

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simon sadler has put a lot of money and his time into the club
he has never claimed we are going for instant success
he is trying to build for the future
new training ground
new east stand
new director of football
development squad
people with blackpool dna running our youth football

yes first team is not going well in last 5 games up till then ok

an owner can and will make mistakes
he has proved he will act on these eg simpn grayson
appleton was a strange appointment but the owner and board had their reasons
rather than moaning and groaning we should be thankful to simon for investing his money and his time into the club
he doesnt need the grief
critisising appleton is criticising our owner and he doesnt deserve it

constant changing doesnt create long term solutions

this january window is crucial to maintain championship status a change of manager at this time will put us back to the mess when critchley left

we all need more patience

we all need more communication including from the club
 
alanm said:
simon sadler has put a lot of money and his time into the club
he has never claimed we are going for instant success
he is trying to build for the future
new training ground
new east stand
new director of football
development squad
people with blackpool dna running our youth football

yes first team is not going well in last 5 games up till then ok

an owner can and will make mistakes
he has proved he will act on these eg simpn grayson
appleton was a strange appointment but the owner and board had their reasons
rather than moaning and groaning we should be thankful to simon for investing his money and his time into the club
he doesnt need the grief
critisising appleton is criticising our owner and he doesnt deserve it

constant changing doesnt create long term solutions

this january window is crucial to maintain championship status a change of manager at this time will put us back to the mess when critchley left

we all need more patience

we all need more communication including from the club
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Spot on.

There is far to many people who expect instant success - it does not happen 99% of the time.

People need to stop acting like babies and support the club - SS has done wonders unlike that scum before.
 
seasideone said:
Spot on.

There is far to many people who expect instant success - it does not happen 99% of the time.

People need to stop acting like babies and support the club - SS has done wonders unlike that scum before.
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Don’t get that. We’ve had success and now are failing. The objective was to clearly become an established a Championship club and the appointment of Appleton and transfer policy has undone all the good work.
 
Agree, Simon is our saint and has transformed the club from the relic left by the oystons. We don’t have a god given right to be in the championship, or never be relegated. One hopes that the current difficulties will be addressed in good time.

I’m quite sure Simon isn’t sitting there thinking relegation to league 1 is ok.
 
A_Tense_Grin said:
Don’t get that. We’ve had success and now are failing. The objective was to clearly become an established a Championship club and the appointment of Appleton and transfer policy has undone all the good work.
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…we are having a set back, they happen - name a single organisation over a few years old that has never had a set back?
 
seasideone said:
…we are having a set back, they happen - name a single organisation over a few years old that has never had a set back?
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I agree with this. It’s never always going to go well. There’s always going to be problems in life and in business.

I just can’t help but think that the current situation is down to a poor choice. One they knew wasn’t the best by their comms when he got the job.
 
Adams Kebab said:
I agree with this. It’s never always going to go well. There’s always going to be problems in life and in business.

I just can’t help but think that the current situation is down to a poor choice. One they knew wasn’t the best by their comms when he got the job.
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Reality is….

1 He started half way through a transfer window
2 It takes time to evaluate a squad
3 He needs at least two transfer windows if his own to make a difference
4 We are ravid with injuries

I do not care who the manager was, pretty much all would struggle in these circumstances.
 
seasideone said:
Reality is….

1 He started half way through a transfer window
2 It takes time to evaluate a squad
3 He needs at least two transfer windows if his own to make a difference
4 We are ravid with injuries

I do not care who the manager was, pretty much all would struggle in these circumstances.
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Yep.

Difference is, any other Manager would have the full fans support, he’s having to cope with what you say, but with negativity from the get go.

The reality is, that’s not his fault, that’s on the board, that’s part of their job 👍🏼
 
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A_Tense_Grin said:
Don’t get that. We’ve had success and now are failing. The objective was to clearly become an established a Championship club and the appointment of Appleton and transfer policy has undone all the good work.
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Totally agree .. all we're asking for is actually a chance to stay in this league .. the likes of Ipswich, Portsmouth etc have proved that it ain't that easy to bounce back. We were very lucky.
 
I wish someone would define success when it applies to BFC.
Is success a return to the Premiership?
Is it to be challenging in the playoffs every season?
Is it prolonged cup runs in the league and fa cups?
Is it a sustained run in the Championship?
Is it never to lose again 🤣?

Some slag Nob end off for stagnating in the Championship but give me 10 years in this division compared to yo yoing between here and league one(hoping we'd gain promotion from league 1!!)

And saying that, nothing's a given.
We may get relegated and not return for 30 years.
As a boy Blackpool were predominantly a 2nd division team (Championship for younger posters)and I'd like to see them play there for a few years more please.
I'd like stability at the club, something that SS looks like he could well achieve.
But it must start with 1st team football and remaining in this division.
He knows he's made mistakes.
Others at the club have too.
We need the injured back ASAP.
And if not we need a bloody good transfer window in January.

Nothing is over until its mathematically impossible so we have to fight the fight.
Fingers crossed for a good few points before the new year and hopefully we're breathing a massive sigh of relief by March end knowing we can't go down.

We HAVE to trust Sadler, we've no option unless there's another Blackpool fan out there with a shed load of money 🤷
 
Adams Kebab said:
Yep.

Difference is, any other Manager would have the full fans support, he’s having to cope with what you say, but with negativity from the get go.

The reality is, that’s not his fault, that’s on the board, that’s part of their job 👍🏼
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I think it’s on the fans and not the board,

The fans need to wind their necks in and realise the hand he has been dealt is hardly a straight flush or even a pair!!!

The reality is all majors can struggle even at the beginning - just look at Alex Ferguson!
 
seasideone said:
I think it’s on the fans and not the board,

The fans need to wind their necks in and realise the hand he has been dealt is hardly a straight flush or even a pair!!!

The reality is all majors can struggle even at the beginning - just look at Alex Ferguson!
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So the fans and not the board 🤣

Don’t doubt some fans have been painful with MA, “ex Knobber” etc but the fans haven’t appointed him or failed to back him.
 
Adams Kebab said:
So the fans and not the board 🤣

Don’t doubt some fans have been painful with MA, “ex Knobber” etc but the fans haven’t appointed him or failed to back him.
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The fans haven’t, and are not backing him.

The guy needs time as any manager does.
 
seasideone said:
The fans haven’t, and are not backing him.

The guy needs time as any manager does.
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The guy needed backing properly in the transfer market because of the negativity of losing our last manager and him being appointed, 2nd season syndrome and our best player being sold on deadline day.

The board are in charge of all these business decisions, not the fans 👍🏼
 
Adams Kebab said:
The guy needed backing properly in the transfer market because of the negativity of losing our last manager and him being appointed, 2nd season syndrome and our best player being sold on deadline day.

The board are in charge of all these business decisions, not the fans 👍🏼
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I’ll try and explain again….

He joined in the middle of a transfer window unexpectedly when NC unexpectedly quit - he had to evaluate the squad properly with his own eyes before he can spend on players he wanted - there was not time.

He needs time and a fair crack.
 
We were promoted far earlier than expected.

And then it was all change.

We need time to settle. I’d prefer that not to be in the third division but I have zero influence on and off the pitch.
 
seasideone said:
I’ll try and explain again….

He joined in the middle of a transfer window unexpectedly when NC unexpectedly quit - he had to evaluate the squad properly with his own eyes before he can spend on players he wanted - there was not time.

He needs time and a fair crack.
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So how long do you give him?...do we just sleepwalk to relegation before we act...he should have been gone after the Wigan game and has been underwhelming at Rotherham, Millwall, West Brom and so many times already at Bloomfield road
 
TANGERINETOWERPOWER said:
So how long do you give him?...do we just sleepwalk to relegation before we act...he should have been gone after the Wigan game and has been underwhelming at Rotherham, Millwall, West Brom and so many times already at Bloomfield road
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I give him two transfer windows of his own and judge next season.

Our situation is more about injuries than anything else.
 
seasideone said:
He joined in the middle of a transfer window unexpectedly when NC unexpectedly quit - he had to evaluate the squad properly with his own eyes before he can spend on players he wanted - there was not time.
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I’ll try and help you too.

He joined on 17th June. The Season started on July 30th and the window closed on September 1st. He shipped players out during this period but unfortunately he didn’t get all the targets we wanted, due to us not being able to agree terms, making stupid bids or saying we have found an issue on a medical. He had 10 weeks to have a good look at what’s what. Granted, it takes a few windows to get where you want to be at but it’s still enough time for us to act accordingly, a 2nd striker with Beesley out and a reliance on Madine has been terrible.

Oh and you know the board, the CEO told us all that the transfer and recruitment didn’t change depending on the Manager. This same guy and the now departed head of recruitment were also in charge of all our failures in the transfer market, no back-up right back till January, no additional striker etc. We also sold our best player on deadline day.

So, the board are responsible and have played a part in where we are at. Pointing this at the fans and exonerating the board from blame is laughable.

It’s ok you know to criticise the board. It doesn’t make you a bad person, we’re all grateful for Simon Sadler but we can say when they’ve made mistakes? It’s ok to challenge it, you know like he did to fans with his letters explaining why they appointed Appleton when they knew it wasn’t a popular choice?
 
He needs time - as simple as that.

…just as every other manager on the planet.

….and ideally time with a fit (ish) squad.
 
I am not sure I would trust him with cash to spend. He would still play strikers as wingers etc . Anyone who plays Lavery or yates as a winger has issues
 
Simon Sadlers contribution to the club has been massive and the infrastructure is moving on well.

But Appleton being appointed for four years was a huge mistake. Nobody expects perpetual success but the fight to get into the Championship was hard and the revenue that comes with it precious.

We have it within our grasp to escape from the bottom four but nothing convinces me that Appleton has it in his armoury to achieve that.

I have no beef with Mr Sadler or the board but we need a change of manager now.
 
seasideone said:
He needs time - as simple as that.

…just as every other manager on the planet.

….and ideally time with a fit (ish) squad.
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Every manager on the planet has to deal with injuries, a good manager/coach should still be able to do something with what he has.

I’m all for giving a manager time, I recall some were calling for Critchleys head half a dozen games into a season that ended with promotion, but I just can’t see any positives coming from keeping this guy in place.
 
Pauls_Boutique said:
Every manager on the planet has to deal with injuries, a good manager/coach should still be able to do something with what he has.

I’m all for giving a manager time, I recall some were calling for Critchleys head half a dozen games into a season that ended with promotion, but I just can’t see any positives coming from keeping this guy in place.
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I’d give him until Xmas next year.

He has not had his own transfer window yet and the injuries have been off the scale.
 
Criticising the manager is criticising the manager, not the owner.
Give him more time versus fire him, and appear decisive - or too hasty.
Nobody has a crystal ball - just an opinion - it's why predictions are utterly pointless.
I'm in the get a new manager camp - I may be right, I may be wrong. Same as everyone else.
He who pays the piper calls the tune - it's up to the owner.
 
He’s had one window,next one up shortly if he can’t sort it out in January, he has to go or we will be in league one
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
He won't get until Xmas next year if this carries on, as someone on here somewhere said, it's Grayson all over again.
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We backed Grayson big-time in the January 2020 window…

Bola, Dewsbury-Hall, Madine, Maxwell, Ronan, Thorniley, Teddy Howe…

Then potted him a week into February…

We couldn’t could we 🤗
 
fcblackpool said:
The decision has already been made.

If he's here Dec 31st, he's here Sept 1st.

No way he'll be potted after Jan.
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Said before. Cheapo restart in league one using his loan contacts and the development squad and fingers crossed Carey, Thompson, Wright etc can find a level

Stick 100 quid on a season ticket and sell Yates to help offset relegation losses

Adams Kebab said:
We backed Grayson big-time in the January 2020 window…

Bola, Dewsbury-Hall, Madine, Maxwell, Ronan, Thorniley, Teddy Howe…

Then potted him a week into February…

We couldn’t could we 🤗
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Ward as well. Teddy Howe's dad was Reading CEO when we played their reserves in the FA Cup. Maybe Big Ben was having a boardroom schmooze when he was coming up with ideas to impress the boss man that he could sign players in his first window
 
seasideone said:
I think it’s on the fans and not the board,

The fans need to wind their necks in and realise the hand he has been dealt is hardly a straight flush or even a pair!!!

The reality is all majors can struggle even at the beginning - just look at Alex Ferguson!
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It would be great if all the fanbase could just forget their annoyances, feelings etc, but that will never happen as we're not a hive mind.

The reality is he was appointed knowing what football fans are like. He was also appointed knowing nobody wanted him and that it would be difficult if it didn't go well, because of that unpopularity, rightly or wrongly.

Now I got behind him day 1 and will always support the team. But he's not exactly inspiring me.

The support he's had in the stands, for us has been poor vocally but compared to some other sides has been OK, it only turned on him at Wigan.

But it's a obvious mistake, especially not backing him.

Sadly the summer and appointment killed a lot of the buzz, add in the poor results and our atmosphere has gone. The negative of Critchley leaving had to be countered with a positive appointment, it was a double negative. Triple or more if you then include the farcical summer, prices etc.

Football fans are fickle, most people would know that appointing someone who was not liked wouldn't carry on the feelgood factor and would get less time.

Should have been basic football common sense.
 
poolfc said:
Said before. Cheapo restart in league one using his loan contacts and the development squad and fingers crossed Carey, Thompson, Wright etc can find a level

Stick 100 quid on a season ticket and sell Yates to help offset relegation losses


Ward as well. Teddy Howe's dad was Reading CEO when we played their reserves in the FA Cup. Maybe Big Ben was having a boardroom schmooze when he was coming up with ideas to impress the boss man that he could sign players in his first window
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Teddy Howe’s Dad 🤣🙈 FFS
 
JJpool said:
It would be great if all the fanbase could just forget their annoyances, feelings etc, but that will never happen as we're not a hive mind.

The reality is he was appointed knowing what football fans are like. He was also appointed knowing nobody wanted him and that it would be difficult if it didn't go well, because of that unpopularity, rightly or wrongly.

Now I got behind him day 1 and will always support the team. But he's not exactly inspiring me.

The support he's had in the stands, for us has been poor vocally but compared to some other sides has been OK, it only turned on him at Wigan.

But it's a obvious mistake, especially not backing him.

Sadly the summer and appointment killed a lot of the buzz, add in the poor results and our atmosphere has gone. The negative of Critchley leaving had to be countered with a positive appointment, it was a double negative. Triple or more if you then include the farcical summer, prices etc.

Football fans are fickle, most people would know that appointing someone who was not liked wouldn't carry on the feelgood factor and would get less time.

Should have been basic football common sense.
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What we needed in the summer was for all these big salaried fancy job titles behind the scenes to show us that they were always thinking about the next one in should Critchley go. Rather than Big Ben doing a Terry Waite video.

They'd got far too comfortable as him being the face of it. And I daresay were planning to sell Bowler and wanting Critchley to smile and coach through it.

It can work with Appleton but he's someone who has to draw the line under the squad he inherits and start again before he gains confidence that all his players are on board with him and his message. And even then he's shown in other jobs that he's likely to sideline more who come in on his watch if he doesn't think they're listening.
 
alanm said:
simon sadler has put a lot of money and his time into the club
he has never claimed we are going for instant success
he is trying to build for the future
new training ground
new east stand
new director of football
development squad
people with blackpool dna running our youth football

yes first team is not going well in last 5 games up till then ok

an owner can and will make mistakes
he has proved he will act on these eg simpn grayson
appleton was a strange appointment but the owner and board had their reasons
rather than moaning and groaning we should be thankful to simon for investing his money and his time into the club
he doesnt need the grief
critisising appleton is criticising our owner and he doesnt deserve it

constant changing doesnt create long term solutions

this january window is crucial to maintain championship status a change of manager at this time will put us back to the mess when critchley left

we all need more patience

we all need more communication including from the club
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Pounds like a speech from the Tory Party Conference ie any Conference in the last 12 years — dream on !
 
I don’t agree that critisising appleton is criticising our owner. The two are not connected.
Really appreciate all SS is doing behind the scenes but that must not take priority over maintaining our Championship status.

“constant changing doesnt create long term solutions’ - agreed, but the players should be a constant. A good player should be able to play under any manager (providing the Board carried out due diligence in appointing the right manager).

“we all need more patience’ - normally I’d agree, but we are already at risk of being cut adrift. It‘s a ridiculous, condensed period now due to the winter World Cup and we don’t have time on our side.

“this january window is crucial to maintain championship status” - think we are all in agreement on that. Should never have come to that.
“a change of manager at this time will put us back to the mess when critchley left” - only if we haven’t a clue who to bring in and mess up the appointment.
 
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