Lewis Fiorini

Albert Ross said:
Charlie did alright and I don’t think he’ll be competing with Hamilton for pace. I also know which one I would prefer in my team.😁
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Ha, I'm not digging out Fiorini, there is no chance he's coming back. He is slow, he is lightweight, he was injury prone, he wasn't as good as Morgan Rogers. The OP said he was the best of the loans, I disagree. Both Rogers and Patino were better.
 
Who knows where we would've ended up last season had he stayed fit throughout. Quality player for his age and experience and would be superb at this level.
 
In the previous season, we had a midfield of Dougall and Wintle and finished comfortably mid-table. Both had very similar styles,
except for that Dougall was more creative and finished the season with the most assets in the team, more than Bowler.
Both Patino and Fiorini were slow, lightweight, one-footed, hopeless in the tackle, and above all had poor positional play. If only they
could have had a midfield enforcer is the common cry on here, well the season before Wintle had Dougall playing alongside him and he was outstanding compared to them.

Morgan Rogers has the raw assets to be a good player but was nowhere good enough at the moment for the championship, look at his stats.
But he was the best of a poor bunch.
 
I thought he was good tbf and I'd happily have him back and in our team. He would start before Carey all day long for me and Patino even more so than Fiorini. They were let down by not having a Norburn or Trybull etc with them. Maybe Carey was too tbf but I thought they had more.
I agree about Morgan Rogers, loved him.
 
SeasideKurt said:
Why do you need to be quick as a central midfielder? It's literally one of the least attributes you require.
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Are you serious, have you ever played there or coached? It’s a vital area for pace, even if only over 10 yards ala Charlie Adam.

Look at Matty, lots of talent, but unable to close down or burst away from players. Forever arriving after the ball has been moved on. Same can be said of Patino, chasing shadows. If he had pace Arsenal would be keeping him.

Bottom line as a pro is that you can have all the talent, but if you don’t have enough pace your career is limited.
 
TimperleyTangerine said:
Are you serious, have you ever played there or coached? It’s a vital area for pace, even if only over 10 yards ala Charlie Adam.

Look at Matty, lots of talent, but unable to close down or burst away from players. Forever arriving after the ball has been moved on. Same can be said of Patino, chasing shadows. If he had pace Arsenal would be keeping him.

Bottom line as a pro is that you can have all the talent, but if you don’t have enough pace your career is limited.
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Not sure I agree with this for a CM. I get that initial 5 or 10 yard argument but I'd argue that's more anticipation and reading of the game rather than actual pace. Suppose it depends on the type of CM you are though so maybe half true.
 
From what little I've seen preseason and last year at the moment I'd prefer Trybull over Fiorini.

Lewis looks like one of those players who are busier than they actually are like when we had Spearing who hasn't done too bad out of his career playing for Liverpool.
 
Critchknows said:
Not sure I agree with this for a CM. I get that initial 5 or 10 yard argument but I'd argue that's more anticipation and reading of the game rather than actual pace. Suppose it depends on the type of CM you are though so maybe half true.
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How much pace you need depends on the level you are playing at. You can watch super talented players in National League and below, but they don’t have pace and that’s why they play at that level. They are great doing things at their own pace.

CM at pro level requires enough pace and it’s why we’ve struggled last season. We simply couldn’t dominate in midfield, because we didn’t have the pace to break through or close down. The ball moves so quickly as do most of the opposition players. We were constantly chasing shadows.

If Patino had pace then Arsenal would not be letting him go. Fiorini is blessed with more pace and although he’s not as clever, he’s got a good pass and has scope, just not PL level.
 
TimperleyTangerine said:
How much pace you need depends on the level you are playing at. You can watch super talented players in National League and below, but they don’t have pace and that’s why they play at that level. They are great doing things at their own pace.

CM at pro level requires enough pace and it’s why we’ve struggled last season. We simply couldn’t dominate in midfield, because we didn’t have the pace to break through or close down. The ball moves so quickly as do most of the opposition players. We were constantly chasing shadows.

If Patino had pace then Arsenal would not be letting him go. Fiorini is blessed with more pace and although he’s not as clever, he’s got a good pass and has scope, just not PL level.
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This post is bollocks. Sorry but it really is. For a thousand reasons.

We were shite in midfield because of a lack of quality, strength on the ball. Next to fuck all to do with pace.
 
SeasideKurt said:
This post is bollocks. Sorry but it really is. For a thousand reasons.

We were shite in midfield because of a lack of quality, strength on the ball. Next to fuck all to do with pace.
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You talk bollocks pal, on most things, usually about CJ.

So you’re saying we lacked quality with Patino & Fiorini. That’s laughable, they’ve got so much talent and it’s why they have spent their years at City & Arsenal. What hold their careers back is the lack of pace, particularly so with Patino.

Clueless pal.
 
TimperleyTangerine said:
You talk bollocks pal, on most things, usually about CJ.

So you’re saying we lacked quality with Patino & Fiorini. That’s laughable, they’ve got so much talent and it’s why they have spent their years at City & Arsenal. What hold their careers back is the lack of pace, particularly so with Patino.

Clueless pal.
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I'm so clueless about CJ in saying he isn't good enough for the Championship we can't bat away enough offers? The guy is dogshit. You know zilch about football it seems. On the block list, I don't need to read utterly thick peoples opinions.
 
SeasideKurt said:
I'm so clueless about CJ in saying he isn't good enough for the Championship we can't bat away enough offers? The guy is dogshit. You know zilch about football it seems. On the block list, I don't need to read utterly thick peoples opinions.
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Yes, it’s why I coach at a high level in youth football and we’ve just won the double and have boys going on to better things.
 
TimperleyTangerine said:
Yes, it’s why I coach at a high level in youth football and we’ve just won the double and have boys going on to better things.
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Tbf it's your opinion and that's all. Coaches at all levels have opinions and ideas about whether players are good or not and what makes for a good player. Your perfectly entitled to think your right and not pick someone in CM cos in your opinion he doesn't have the pace to play there, I'm perfectly entitled to think that's bollocks and that ultimately technique and vision win the day. It's no different to Mick McCarthy and Pep Guardiola, both have totally different opinions on what attributes suit, neither is necessarily right or wrong, just different.
 
Critchknows said:
Tbf it's your opinion and that's all. Coaches at all levels have opinions and ideas about whether players are good or not and what makes for a good player. Your perfectly entitled to think your right and not pick someone in CM cos in your opinion he doesn't have the pace to play there, I'm perfectly entitled to think that's bollocks and that ultimately technique and vision win the day. It's no different to Mick McCarthy and Pep Guardiola, both have totally different opinions on what attributes suit, neither is necessarily right or wrong, just different.
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I was agreeing with you until you compared McCarthy to Pep, the former was blatantly wrong in his time with us.
 
Matesrates said:
I was agreeing with you until you compared McCarthy to Pep, the former was blatantly wrong in his time with us.
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I was purely using two opposites to make a point. I hated McCarthy and I think he got everything wrong and I am totally opposed to that style of play in any way shape or form but some managers with that way of thinking have been successful sometimes.
 
Paul Scholes wouldn't have won a school dad's race even his prime.He was always in space in receipt (brain) and knew where the ball was going before arrival (vision).
 
Critchknows said:
Tbf it's your opinion and that's all. Coaches at all levels have opinions and ideas about whether players are good or not and what makes for a good player. Your perfectly entitled to think your right and not pick someone in CM cos in your opinion he doesn't have the pace to play there, I'm perfectly entitled to think that's bollocks and that ultimately technique and vision win the day. It's no different to Mick McCarthy and Pep Guardiola, both have totally different opinions on what attributes suit, neither is necessarily right or wrong, just different.
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It's alright Rodri is rapid. And Busquets. And KDB. And Eriksen. And Modric is also extremely quick in his late age.
 
Don't remember Barry Ferguson running around much, didn't he just patrol the centre circle?
 
I never really rated Morgan Rogers!
OK, he had a fancy trick now and again which looked good, but I thought he was overrated.
Lewis Fiorini IS a good player though, and I preferred to see him in the team.
Would be amazing if he ever came back to us.
 
i think its unfair to criticise the players. Patino was exceptionally comfortable on the ball and was one of the players with the most assists and goals for the division at one point, playing him as a midfield lynchpin in mostly a defensive role was lunacy by appleton, who had no idea what he was doing, I think Apter himself stated he only expected to play 15 or 16 games in the season. Fiorini looked good in periods, but for me was a bit too head down, but Dobbie had him playing well. Rogers took a whle but might be a decent player in the future. Appleton and mickosaurus might have ruined the careers of all those young loan players and quite a few blackpool players.

under a different coach i think two or three of those loans might have been very successful.
 
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