Looks like more pressure on Putin
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Cheesyleps
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Biden drone-striked a car full of kids just a few months ago. Any war crimes charges to be brought there?
Britain manufactures cluster bombs and sells them to Saudi Arabia where they are dropped on children. Any war crimes charges to be brought there?
Britain manufactures cluster bombs and sells them to Saudi Arabia where they are dropped on children. Any war crimes charges to be brought there?
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EagleDay
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Not for want of many people calling for that.
Cheesyleps
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Being 1 person in a crowd of 1,000,000 marching in London to plead with our politicians s not to invade Iraq, and being roundly ignored was the defining moment in the formation of my subsequent worldview.
I would happily see Putin take a short drop if Bush and Blair are on the scaffold next to him.
Matesrates
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There’s a difference between the Biden incident and Putins. The USA admitted it was a mistake and apologised, Putin is deliberately killing civilians including children.
As for cluster bombs being manufactured here, I have no idea if that’s true because they are illegal. If we are, then it needs to be called out.
Cheesyleps
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The US denied it had done so, claimed that the car was an imminent threat and put out PR pieces about how thorough their drone operations are.
They followed the usual process when pressure is applied:
* We didn't do it.
* We didnt do it, but If we did do it, it was justified.
* OK, we did it, but here's why it makes us the good guys.
They haven't apologised; they admitted that they did it after a month of pressure and called it a 'tragic mistake'. No consequences for the US though...
As for British arms sales to Saudi, Amnesty has been calling out the UK government for years. Ministers lied repeatedly to Parliament with no consequences (nothing unusual there).
Why the UK must stop arms sales to Saudi Arabia #Yemen
We are Amnesty International UK. We are ordinary people from across the world standing up for humanity and human rights.
SeasideKurt
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Evidence please. You're full of hot air bollocks tbh.
SeasideKurt
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@Cheesyleps you bad dickhead, is the above okay? I assume you're taking up arms for Russia with your attitude. I hope so, you won't be posting again if so.
1966_and_all_that
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The failure to prosecute war crimes on one side does not negate the need to investigate them and prosecute, on the other. Hypocritical maybe but a crime is still a crime.
Cheesyleps
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No they aren't banned by the Geneva Convention. Why are you spreading disinformation?
Britain and America used thermobaric weapons in Iraq and Afghanistan.
The US marines used them to level residences in Fallujah.
What you are hearing every day is pure Schmittian dichotomy: "The specific political distinction to which political actions and motivations can be reduced, is that between friend and enemy."
As I said last night, one of the reasons Zelenskyy was so keen to arm the populace is to force the Russians to have to engage civilians, allowing the West to engage in its favourite pastime: atrocity porn.
Cheesyleps
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When the entire justification for your actions is the crimes committed by your enemy, the fact that you yourself continuously commit the same, or similar crimes is entirely relevant.
Cheesyleps
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Not at all, but one thing is for certain, I would never lift a finger for the evil empire we live in.
The end of the unipolar world order that has existed since the fall of the USSR will reign in the negative influence of the western powers around the globe over the next 50 years.
SeasideKurt
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But for the evil empire you prefer.
Go grab a gun. I'll see you on the opposite side I am sure.
1966_and_all_that
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But we are not committing war crimes against Russia. We are using diplomatic and economic sanctions against them and Russia's actions more than justify those measures. You are conflating different scenarios in an attempt to produce a universal principle that you believe is applicable in all theatres of warfare. It isn't.
Cheesyleps
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War crimes for me, but not for thee.
I would have more respect for everyone involved if they simply came out and said that Russia is our enemy, and Ukraine's independence is in our strategic interests, rather than having to dance around the pretence of this being about humanity, rule of law, and human rights.
Our track record since 1939 has been one that is very accepting of heinous actions against combatants and civilians alike. Dresden, Rhine-meadow camps, Vietnam, Iraq, Guantanamo Bay, CIA torture etc. etc.
1966_and_all_that
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Don't be so presumptuous. You're getting ahead of yourself.
Lost Seasider
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Also, Biden inherited the situation from his predecessor, and it wasn't something that was directly ordered by him, so his responsibility is limited, which is not a defence that Putin could mount.
1966_and_all_that
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Exactly. It's not a one size fits all scenario in war. Those of us with morality and basic humanity are right to stand opposed to Putin's fascistic and imperialistic aggression. The fact that the British military has a history that includes episodes of immorality and wrongful violence does in no way invalidate our indignation at Putin's actions.
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