Maybe we should go back to try and get Liam Rosenior

EdgeleyTangerine said:
So what would your “budget” be? If we had beat Reading we would have finished in the top 6 so there is an argument that the current budget is sufficient.

Infrastructure has no priority? We could increase the capacity of the stadium to contribute towards a higher budget and a better training ground could attract a better quality of player and help bring our own players through who could then be sold for a profit.

We faced years of chronic underfunding from the oystons and now we have an owner willing to spend on and improve the infrastructure of the club for the long term.
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Really??? We were not in a play off position all season. As stated before if you don’t have a manager that can utilize his resources budget is irrelevant. Building a bigger stadium makes sense when you have created demand. Fans were bored to death this season. The first season in my life I was glad it was over. Do we even know what a good prospect is? Ours was Apter who flourished at another club. The Oystons did more with less. We don’t know what Sadler will spend. We do know his spending thus far has achieved nothing apart from burying the club in over nineteen million pounds of loans payable to himself.
 
Theoneandonly said:
Really??? We were not in a play off position all season. As stated before if you don’t have a manager that can utilize his resources budget is irrelevant. Building a bigger stadium makes sense when you have created demand. Fans were bored to death this season. The first season in my life I was glad it was over. Do we even know what a good prospect is? Ours was Apter who flourished at another club. The Oystons did more with less. We don’t know what Sadler will spend. We do know his spending thus far has achieved nothing apart from burying the club in over nineteen million pounds of loans payable to himself.
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“The oystons did more with less”

Any point you are trying to make is completely invalid based on that one single comment.
 
Liam Rosenior will join a much bigger club than us. He’ll end up at a championship club with aspirations to make play offs. No way in a million years he’d drop down a league to us 😂
 
Theoneandonly said:
Ah ok so I dismantled your logic and you can’t think of any constructive to say. No fan of the Oystons as they screwed up in so many avoidable ways but we did make the prem.
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You haven’t dismantled any of my logic. There’s just no point presenting it to someone who seemingly preferred us being owned by the oystons on the basis that we made the prem under their ownership.
 
Think he will almost certainly get another championship job. Maybe Preston if they decide to pot Lowe.
 
TommyHutch said:
For a successful side it’s what you have to do. Either that or have amazing team spirit and belief (a la Holloway). We had neither this season. Few, if any, appeared to believe in the way we were being asked to play and sadly that looks set to carry on if we keep this guy.
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The key word being successful. They weren't successful, that's my point.
 
EdgeleyTangerine said:
Brilliant. I’m a loser because you don’t want to have a reasonable debate. Makes sense.
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A written debate is inadvisable with one who fabricates and prone for disappointment if one party can’t read. You gave it the Critchley try but like him you came up short. Always next season.
 
andoverhantsseasider said:
What will the budget will be at the present time, even Critchley might not be getting as much as he originally thought, who knows?
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We have no player of any real value to sell on, so the budget for next season will most definitely reflect this.
It is going to be a long and very hard season coming up, something we unfortunately need to accept 😔
 
Theoneandonly said:
A written debate is inadvisable with one who fabricates and prone for disappointment if one party can’t read. You gave it the Critchley try but like him you came up short. Always next season.
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Ermm what exactly did I fabricate? I’ll bite….

1. “We were not in a playoff position all season”.

Why does position during the season matter? The fact is we would have finished in the playoffs had we beat Reading. We didn’t and its disappointing.

2. “If you don’t have manager who can utilise his resources then budget is irrelevant”

But you seem to think increasing our budget will be successful.

3. “Building a bigger stadium makes sense when you have created demand.”

So if we do get promoted to the championship and more people are interested, how will we capture and maintain that interest if we don’t have capacity?

4. “Do we even know what a good prospect is? Ours is Apter who flourished at another club”

Apter has developed and significantly improved by following a well thought out programme of loans that has seen him progress through the lower leagues. We have developed a useful asset for the club in terms of him now being ready to step into the first team or sold for a profit. That’s the exact model we should be following. Hopefully Apter is the first of many.

5. “The oystons did more with less”

Less said the better on that one.

6. “We don’t know what Sadler will spend”

We know what he has spent in recent years based on the accounts. We also know he is willing to spend on infrastructure. I appreciate an element of doubt has been cast by recent events in Hong Kong.

7. “…burying the club in 19 million pounds of debt payable to himself”

So following most ownership models? Let’s not forget the millions the oystons siphoned out of the club but it’s okay because “we did make the prem”
 
EdgeleyTangerine said:
Ermm what exactly did I fabricate? I’ll bite….

1. “We were not in a playoff position all season”.

Why does position during the season matter? The fact is we would have finished in the playoffs had we beat Reading. We didn’t and its disappointing.

2. “If you don’t have manager who can utilise his resources then budget is irrelevant”

But you seem to think increasing our budget will be successful.

3. “Building a bigger stadium makes sense when you have created demand.”

So if we do get promoted to the championship and more people are interested, how will we capture and maintain that interest if we don’t have capacity?

4. “Do we even know what a good prospect is? Ours is Apter who flourished at another club”

Apter has developed and significantly improved by following a well thought out programme of loans that has seen him progress through the lower leagues. We have developed a useful asset for the club in terms of him now being ready to step into the first team or sold for a profit. That’s the exact model we should be following. Hopefully Apter is the first of many.

5. “The oystons did more with less”

Less said the better on that one.

6. “We don’t know what Sadler will spend”

We know what he has spent in recent years based on the accounts. We also know he is willing to spend on infrastructure. I appreciate an element of doubt has been cast by recent events in Hong Kong.

7. “…burying the club in 19 million pounds of debt payable to himself”

So following most ownership models? Let’s not forget the millions the oystons siphoned out of the club but it’s okay because “we did make the prem”
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You don’t know squat and it’s scary you don’t know that. You seen a new stand or training ground? Me either they are just on paper.

Debt is debt. It is debt we didn’t have prior to Sadler. The Oystons did take money out which the club had earned via promotion. Club now in debt on monies spent that accomplished nothing and which wasn’t earned.

Were we at capacity every game? Nope. Build a stand when you can get a return on your investment. Business 101.

Your points 1 and 2 you are doing your twisty fabrication thing again so I’ll ignore.

You think one player who has flourished under others guidance is a good return? Is that why development is being disbanded?
 
Theoneandonly said:
You don’t know squat and it’s scary you don’t know that. You seen a new stand or training ground? Me either they are just on paper.

Debt is debt. It is debt we didn’t have prior to Sadler. The Oystons did take money out which the club had earned via promotion. Club now in debt on monies spent that accomplished nothing and which wasn’t earned.

Were we at capacity every game? Nope. Build a stand when you can get a return on your investment. Business 101.

Your points 1 and 2 you are doing your twisty fabrication thing again so I’ll ignore.

You think one player who has flourished under others guidance is a good return? Is that why development is being disbanded?
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You’re a moron.
 
EdgeleyTangerine said:
How much do you think we should spend? What happens if, after spending many more millions, we are still in league one. What’s the solution at that point? I’m all for investment and improving the squad, etc but it has to be realistic. Let’s not also forget the spending on the infrastructure which isn’t exactly cheap.
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'What happens if, after spending many more millions ...'

Errrr - have I missed something here?
 
TommyHutch said:
I’d say 7th in the Championship is pretty successful - certainly more so than 8th in league one.
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At the start of last season we were in league one. At the start of next season we will be in league one, successful? As long as we didn’t finish in the bottom four it was a mediocre season without success.🤷
 
EdgeleyTangerine said:
Rosenior turned us down because of our budget. We would have no hope of getting him now because our budget is smaller and he’s just proven himself to be a very good championship manager,

The expectation on here can sometimes be very unrealistic!
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He didn’t turn us down because of our budget. If you saw his interview at that time you would have heard him say he wasn’t offered the job.
 
Yes please but he'll get better offers than us. Good young manager, clear style of football and think he's really liked by fans and players, would be amazed if most are not disappointed
 
Theoneandonly said:
Really??? We were not in a play off position all season. As stated before if you don’t have a manager that can utilize his resources budget is irrelevant. Building a bigger stadium makes sense when you have created demand. Fans were bored to death this season. The first season in my life I was glad it was over. Do we even know what a good prospect is? Ours was Apter who flourished at another club. The Oystons did more with less. We don’t know what Sadler will spend. We do know his spending thus far has achieved nothing apart from burying the club in over nineteen million pounds of loans payable to himself.
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But the fact remains that is where we would have been with a win at Reading. Preston were top of the Championship last September. I don't see them lining up for the Premier League.

It's where you finish, not how many weeks you spend in the top 6.
 
Wizaard said:
But the fact remains that is where we would have been with a win at Reading. Preston were top of the Championship last September. I don't see them lining up for the Premier League.

It's where you finish, not how many weeks you spend in the top 6.
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But we weren’t and not being there at any time in the season proves we weren’t good enough. Preston weren’t good enough either.
 
Theoneandonly said:
Debt is debt. It is debt we didn’t have prior to Sadler. The Oystons did take money out which the club had earned via promotion. Club now in debt on monies spent that accomplished nothing and which wasn’t earned.

Were we at capacity every game? Nope. Build a stand when you can get a return on your investment. Business 101.

Your points 1 and 2 you are doing your twisty fabrication thing again so I’ll ignore.

You think one player who has flourished under others guidance is a good return? Is that why development is being disbanded?
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You seem obsessed with this debt business. You mention it virtually every day .

What’s the problem ? SS is putting his own money into the football club which he owns.

If he bought the club for £10 million and he has spent £20 million on it it owes him £30 million .

It’s no different from you buying a car for £100 quid and spending £200 on it . It owes you £300.

Why are you getting your knickers in a twist over it ?

He’s not charging the club interest on the money .

As an investment he would have been better putting the £20 million in the bank and enjoying £1 million quid interest each year at 5 per cent but that’s up to him.

You state “it’s a debt we didn’t have prior to Sadler.” There isn’t any “we” about it . The owner of the club owes money to himself.
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
Not being there all season means nothing, we weren't top six in 2009/10 until the penultimate game and all it would have taken is one Swansea goal to push us to 7th.
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Yep, I remember that last weekend of regular fixtures. Swansea looked like they'd won a stonewall penalty (from the highlights I saw) but the ref didn't give it. It would have put them 6th if they'd beaten Doncaster, but they drew 0-0.

Can't beat a late run into the play-offs

As for LR, I doubt he'd come to us after a decent season in the Championship (bizarre sacking), it would probably sell a few ST's though
 
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Theoneandonly said:
You don’t know squat and it’s scary you don’t know that. You seen a new stand or training ground? Me either they are just on paper.

Debt is debt. It is debt we didn’t have prior to Sadler. The Oystons did take money out which the club had earned via promotion. Club now in debt on monies spent that accomplished nothing and which wasn’t earned.

Were we at capacity every game? Nope. Build a stand when you can get a return on your investment. Business 101.

Your points 1 and 2 you are doing your twisty fabrication thing again so I’ll ignore.

You think one player who has flourished under others guidance is a good return? Is that why development is being disbanded?
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'It is debt we didn't have prior to Sadler'

Ah, the good old days of the Oystons. No debt but £11 million paid in a single dividend and £29 million paid to various businesses outside of football from the club's money, or is that OK?
 
Theoneandonly said:
But we weren’t and not being there at any time in the season proves we weren’t good enough.
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Wizaard said:
'It is debt we didn't have prior to Sadler'

Ah, the good old days of the Oystons. No debt but £11 million paid in a single dividend and £29 million paid to various businesses outside of football from the club's money, or is that OK?
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Oh wait Sadler has spent 19 million plus with nothing to show for it. No stand, no training ground, no squad and we’re in the old division three after getting relegated last season. Oystons took the money the club earned in the premier league. Big difference.
 
Briggs5 said:
I'm not a big Critchley fan, but tbf to him, he's got us out of it once before.
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Past can give clues to the future but his one success was not replicated anywhere afterward. I didn’t see one thing improve this season. I don’t see one area of growth I feel the manager can build upon next season. He didn’t own anything.
 
Theoneandonly said:
Oh wait Sadler has spent 19 million plus with nothing to show for it. No stand, no training ground, no squad and we’re in the old division three after getting relegated last season. Oystons took the money the club earned in the premier league. Big difference.
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Some of the money he spent kept us going through the covid years. I dread to think what would have happened if the oystons were still in charge at that point.
 
The Hull owners seem to have backed him in the transfer market and probably said as a minimum target the playoffs and he failed)just). Seems hard but that’s football
 
EdgeleyTangerine said:
Some of the money he spent kept us going through the covid years. I dread to think what would have happened if the oystons were still in charge at that point.
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So it’s a plus that he did what every other club owner did? It would seem seeing as there was 100 % compliance that that was a given.
 
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