MCLF: Terrible Preview: the Mighty v Port Vale

Great read as ever. I'm like most who yearn for the mighty to play the beautiful game style. To be fair to Critch his style is control the game stifling "boring" which I can live with - I couldn't stand a continual long ball team of giants "boring" whether it was successful or not. Besides I use fantasy football to load my side with mavericks to get the "must play exciting football" out of my system 😁
 
Absolutely splendid Bake Off stuff.

I thought our performance at Derby was a very good watch. And first half v Burton. It's not all dull, but Critch is very safety first for sure. The new coaches like Guardiola are dulling the game by stifling it for sure. But the George Grahams and Howard Wilkinsons were at it too, as you say. We dont want to watch that crap all the time. Has to be a balance between efficiency and fun and enjoyment. I think Critch knows it but is acutely aware that the most grief follows defeats of any description. Result first, entertainment second. Keep the wolves from the door, then when all's clear you can stick Now 47 on and have a bit of a bop in the kitchen to Life is a Rollercoaster by Ronan Keating. Plus David Gray, Steps and Louise Redknapp.
 
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Footy certainly ain’t what it used to be. It’s actually pretty boring.
Regardless great read as always - hopefully an exciting win against the Vale!
 
voyeur said:
Absolutely splendid Bake Off stuff.

I thought our performance at Derby was a very good watch. And first half v Burton. It's not all dull, but Critch is very safety first for sure. The new coaches like Guardiola are dulling the game by stifling it for sure. But the George Grahams and Howard Willmkinsons were at it too, as you say. We dont want to watch that crap all the time. Has to be a balance between efficiency and fun and enjoyment. I think Critch knows it but is acutely aware that the most grief follows defeats of any description. Result first, entertainment second.
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Yes, exactly. I resentfully accept it. 😂
 
Tangerinenick said:
Footy certainly ain’t what it used to be. It’s actually pretty boring.
Regardless great read as always - hopefully an exciting win against the Vale!
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I listened to a great podcast once - it was about how Fergie was the last of the old school 'greats' - where basically they attacked, had a go, if you missed, the other team had a go and he just gambled on Utd being 'better' than the opposition. Pep etc don't do that. It's all about not letting the other team attack - which, when City are obviously the best team by miles compared to most, feels a bit dull. It was about how Fergie loved a mad 6-4 game and would exhort 'character' etc - where has you get the feeling a 6-4 game is Peps worst possible game in his head as it's chaotic.

The wheel will turn.

It always does.
 
There are two extremes involving Blackpool, at one end was last year, shit to watch and sent out with rigid tactics that were a) boring and b) a failure.

Then there's the other end, the glorious madness of Holloway which was both a) brilliant to watch (although on occasion could be attritional, especially that third year) and b) hugely successful.

Got to bring you up on Clough a bit, his teams could be as dull as the worst of them.
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
There are two extremes involving Blackpool, at one end was last year, shit to watch and sent out with rigid tactics that were a) boring and b) a failure.

Then there's the other end, the glorious madness of Holloway which was both a) brilliant to watch (although on occasion could be attritional, especially that third year) and b) hugely successful.

Got to bring you up on Clough a bit, his teams could be as dull as the worst of them.
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Oh, definitely, but he had personal charisma.

I dunno, it's like George Graham is just forgotten despite winning loads. He was fairly dour and his team were functional.

I just mean how the bungs and that can't be the sole reason because Clough who was definitely an entertainer as a person is still revered despite a similar smear on his character (and his team's were boring in a more purist way too)

I listen to and read quite a lot of football history and it's always just 'oh, yeah, George Graham, he existed'

To be fair, Paisley is a total footnote too, despite winning everything all the time.
 
td53 said:
Oh, definitely, but he had personal charisma.

I dunno, it's like George Graham is just forgotten despite winning loads. He was fairly dour and his team were functional.

I just mean how the bungs and that can't be the sole reason because Clough who was definitely an entertainer as a person is still revered despite a similar smear on his character (and his team's were boring in a more purist way too)

I listen to and read quite a lot of football history and it's always just 'oh, yeah, George Graham, he existed'

To be fair, Paisley is a total footnote too, despite winning everything all the time.
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Whereas Shankly is revered as a God and didn't win half as much. Don't know if it's like that on Merseyside so much?

It might come down to cult of personality, Klopp is in that camp currently, not sure what Guardiola's is, it also might hurt his legacy that he's never had to 'do it away at Grimsby in February'.
 
Yeah, Jack Charlton is remembered very fondly but he won very little domestically. I reckon if you asked 100 people to name a football manager from the past, Charlton would come up before Wilkinson or Graham. Certainly Graham did more than Charlton objectively.
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
Whereas Shankly is revered as a God and didn't win half as much. Don't know if it's like that on Merseyside so much?

It might come down to cult of personality, Klopp is in that camp currently, not sure what Guardiola's is, it also might hurt his legacy that he's never had to 'do it away at Grimsby in February'.
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I've read Paisleys autobiography (or biography - I dunno, it's the version that's about them not by them) and there was a view that Paisley just steered Shankly's ship but I think after he rebuilt them (ditching aging stars and bringing in the likes of Rush, Molby, Hanson etc) he got proper respect from their fans because that was no mean feat and it definitely was his team by the end.

Shankly didn't help how Paisley was viewed cos he wanted to hang around and Paisley didn't want him. That made him seem cold, but it's perfectly understandable. Shankly kept turning up to training and telling players what to do.

Ironically Paisley did the same with Dalglish.
 
Actually not 100% sure Molby was his, but you get the idea! He lost Keegan, Rhoshack, Smith etc, that first great side aged or left and it's really striking how well he rebuilt them.
 
td53 said:
Actually not 100% sure Molby was his, but you get the idea! He lost Keegan, Rhoshack, Smith etc, that first great side aged or left and it's really striking how well he rebuilt them.
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Just googled it, Joe Fagan signed him, even more forgotten than Paisley.

Molby played for them until 1996 and Billy was his assistant at Swansea, things you learn...
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
Just googled it, Joe Fagan signed him, even more forgotten than Paisley.

Molby played for them until 1996 and Billy was his assistant at Swansea, things you learn...
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Fagan only did one year didn't he? Ruined by Heysal. I did a thing on his house on the blog once...
 
"I mean that last year we were a clown car, fuelled by the diesel of disaster, that had run over a landmine of calamity and now we're solid. now we're drilled, now we have shape." ❤⚽❤🤣🤣🤣
 
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2 years apparently.
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Oh, aye, they won it 84 with him didn't they then lost the Heysal game that was weirdly played out after the disaster.

mclfoot.blogspot.com

They're lucky to have us: Liverpool vs the Mighty

NOT the Charity Sheild Stream of consciousness football blogging is the where it's at. You might believe from watching the media that people...
mclfoot.blogspot.com mclfoot.blogspot.com

The thing on his house is about 4 paragraphs down. It's quite interesting (not cos I wrote it just cos it is)
 
Lankyseasider said:
Great read as ever. I'm like most who yearn for the mighty to play the beautiful game style. To be fair to Critch his style is control the game stifling "boring" which I can live with - I couldn't stand a continual long ball team of giants "boring" whether it was successful or not. Besides I use fantasy football to load my side with mavericks to get the "must play exciting football" out of my system 😁
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td53 said:
Oh, aye, they won it 84 with him didn't they then lost the Heysal game that was weirdly played out after the disaster.

mclfoot.blogspot.com

They're lucky to have us: Liverpool vs the Mighty

NOT the Charity Sheild Stream of consciousness football blogging is the where it's at. You might believe from watching the media that people...
mclfoot.blogspot.com mclfoot.blogspot.com

The thing on his house is about 4 paragraphs down. It's quite interesting (not cos I wrote it just cos it is)
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Not bad that, not sure about the upstairs single bay mind.
 
td53 said:
Shankly didn't help how Paisley was viewed cos he wanted to hang around and Paisley didn't want him. That made him seem cold, but it's perfectly understandable. Shankly kept turning up to training and telling players what to do.
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Let's hope Critch doesnt hang around like that, stinking the place out, when Dobbs takes over. 😀
 
No, no, no, no, no! The proof isn't in the f**king pudding. How has this misrepresentation taken hold? In my free, liberal and tolerant society anyone using that misrepresentation would be shot. Why? Because the pudding cannot prove itself. The worth of the pudding is proved (ie. tested), by its reception upon being eaten....hence, "the proof of the pudding is in the eating." That is the true saying. Write 'the proof is in the pudding' one more time and I will have Luigi and the boys around to measure you up for a concrete overcoat.

Best footballer ever?...George Best.
His worst enemy?...George Best.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
No, no, no, no, no! The proof isn't in the f**king pudding. How has this misrepresentation taken hold? In my free, liberal and tolerant society anyone using that misrepresentation would be shot. Why? Because the pudding cannot prove itself. The worth of the pudding is proved (ie. tested), by its reception upon being eaten....hence, "the proof of the pudding is in the eating." That is the true saying. Write 'the proof is in the pudding' one more time and I will have Luigi and the boys around to measure you up for a concrete overcoat.

Best footballer ever?...George Best.
His worst enemy?...George Best.
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This post has left me on tender hooks.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
No, no, no, no, no! The proof isn't in the f**king pudding. How has this misrepresentation taken hold? In my free, liberal and tolerant society anyone using that misrepresentation would be shot. Why? Because the pudding cannot prove itself. The worth of the pudding is proved (ie. tested), by its reception upon being eaten....hence, "the proof of the pudding is in the eating." That is the true saying. Write 'the proof is in the pudding' one more time and I will have Luigi and the boys around to measure you up for a concrete overcoat.

Best footballer ever?...George Best.
His worst enemy?...George Best.
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George Best was nothing but a pre-Madonna.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
No, no, no, no, no! The proof isn't in the f**king pudding. How has this misrepresentation taken hold? In my free, liberal and tolerant society anyone using that misrepresentation would be shot. Why? Because the pudding cannot prove itself. The worth of the pudding is proved (ie. tested), by its reception upon being eaten....hence, "the proof of the pudding is in the eating." That is the true saying. Write 'the proof is in the pudding' one more time and I will have Luigi and the boys around to measure you up for a concrete overcoat.

Best footballer ever?...George Best.
His worst enemy?...George Best.
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Language is a tyrant. (Artaud)

Think of grammatical and phrasing errors as my little gifts to you personally. I feel you are disappointed if I don't drop at least 1 in their.

See what I did they're.

And again.

You are very demanding of pacific detail.
 
td53 said:
Language is a tyrant. (Artaud)

Think of grammatical and phrasing errors as my little gifts to you personally. I feel you are disappointed if I don't drop at least 1 in their.

See what I did they're.

And again.

You are very demanding of pacific detail.
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I'll sea you'res and raize you.
 
td53 said:
Language is a tyrant. (Artaud)

Think of grammatical and phrasing errors as my little gifts to you personally. I feel you are disappointed if I don't drop at least 1 in their.

See what I did they're.

And again.

You are very demanding of pacific detail.
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I can't say it effected me that much.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
I'll sea you'res and raize you.
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I genuinely thought as opposed to was as a pose to till I was about 23 - i.e. 'one thing strikes a pose in contrast to the other' - It made perfect sense in my head. I'd obviously read 'as opposed to' loads of times but it never registered that I was righting it wrong.
 
My favourite thing is when people call other people morans - I always think of Kevin.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
Don't go there. I get troubled by these words but I know they’re not that important. If only there root antecedents were clear, we wouldn't have these problems.
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You maybe unaware, its International Apostrophe Day tomorrow, I’m big on the world of apostrophes, their mega important!
My favourite use of an apostrophe is quoted by the late John Richards founding member and Chairman of the Apostrophe Protection Society: Seen on a sign outside an apartment block.
“Residents’ refuse to be placed in trash cans” remove the apostrophe and the sign has a whole new meaning.
This is the sort of thing one can get up to in retirement.
 
Levi501 said:
You maybe unaware, its International Apostrophe Day tomorrow, I’m big on the world of apostrophes, their mega important!
My favourite use of an apostrophe is quoted by the late John Richards founding member and Chairman of the Apostrophe Protection Society: Seen on a sign outside an apartment block.
“Residents’ refuse to be placed in trash cans” remove the apostrophe and the sign has a whole new meaning.
This is the sort of thing one can get up to in retirement.
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With you on the importance of the humble apostrophe.

'They're' btw.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
No, no, no, no, no! The proof isn't in the f**king pudding. How has this misrepresentation taken hold? In my free, liberal and tolerant society anyone using that misrepresentation would be shot. Why? Because the pudding cannot prove itself. The worth of the pudding is proved (ie. tested), by its reception upon being eaten....hence, "the proof of the pudding is in the eating." That is the true saying. Write 'the proof is in the pudding' one more time and I will have Luigi and the boys around to measure you up for a concrete overcoat.

Best footballer ever?...George Best.
His worst enemy?...George Best.
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Proved? Proven, surely 66? We all thought you were better than that. 🍞
 
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