MCLF - the strange case of Daniel Grimshaw

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td53

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https://mclfoot.blogspot.com/2023/04/the-strange-case-of-daniel-grimshaw.html

I thought I'd spend a couple of hours looking at what I could find on Grimmy and our keepers in general. I went in with a relatively open mind, I've come out more baffled.

There seems to be a 'well, Grimmy isn't that good anyway' mood on here sometimes. I think he is pretty good and I think the numbers show it. It's therefore bizarre that he's been skipped in the way he has because the keeper who replaced him doesn't really address the one big weakness Grimmy has.
 
Good blog and I agree with every word.

I worry that he'll leave in the summer and that his treatment might put off other talented PL academy players from signing with us. After all, if he's not going to be forgiven/allowed to make mistakes when he's young, how are similar younger and inexperienced players expected to develop?
 
td53 said:
https://mclfoot.blogspot.com/2023/04/the-strange-case-of-daniel-grimshaw.html

I thought I'd spend a couple of hours looking at what I could find on Grimmy and our keepers in general. I went in with a relatively open mind, I've come out more baffled.

There seems to be a 'well, Grimmy isn't that good anyway' mood on here sometimes. I think he is pretty good and I think the numbers show it. It's therefore bizarre that he's been skipped in the way he has because the keeper who replaced him doesn't really address the one big weakness Grimmy has.
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Even the crosses I wouldn't put Maxwell ahead. He flaps.

My eyes tell me that it's often panic stations with Maxwell in.

His half coming and stopping leads to indecision from defenders, who in a split second aren't sure if he's coming or staying.

I've never seen Grimshaw concede multiple goals straight past him at corners. A lot also go through Maxwell in general whereas Grimshaw is more agile and has quicker reactions.
 
JJpool said:
Even the crosses I wouldn't put Maxwell ahead. He flaps.

My eyes tell me that it's often panic stations with Maxwell in.

His half coming and stopping leads to indecision from defenders, who in a split second aren't sure if he's coming or staying.

I've never seen Grimshaw concede multiple goals straight past him at corners. A lot also go through Maxwell in general whereas Grimshaw is more agile and has quicker reactions.
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Statistically he is this season. As I said in the piece, Grimshaw being decisive in not coming is, however, arguably better (or no worse) than indecision.
 
td53 said:
https://mclfoot.blogspot.com/2023/04/the-strange-case-of-daniel-grimshaw.html

I thought I'd spend a couple of hours looking at what I could find on Grimmy and our keepers in general. I went in with a relatively open mind, I've come out more baffled.

There seems to be a 'well, Grimmy isn't that good anyway' mood on here sometimes. I think he is pretty good and I think the numbers show it. It's therefore bizarre that he's been skipped in the way he has because the keeper who replaced him doesn't really address the one big weakness Grimmy has.
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Grimmy/Maxwell - I'm not sure about the value of all the stats but I'd agree with your sentiment and a good read regardless of what anybody thinks about either keeper.

WBA - Did you write the piece about when we beat them in 92/93 under King Billy ? Were you only 13 at the time ?

Paper Rounds - How many did you have ? Were they all uphill ?
 
td53 said:
https://mclfoot.blogspot.com/2023/04/the-strange-case-of-daniel-grimshaw.html

I thought I'd spend a couple of hours looking at what I could find on Grimmy and our keepers in general. I went in with a relatively open mind, I've come out more baffled.

There seems to be a 'well, Grimmy isn't that good anyway' mood on here sometimes. I think he is pretty good and I think the numbers show it. It's therefore bizarre that he's been skipped in the way he has because the keeper who replaced him doesn't really address the one big weakness Grimmy has.
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I wish I could have written that Matt ☝😎

I am even more perplexed about the whole situation now I have seen it in writing😵🤷‍♂️😵
 
SEASIDE2020 said:
Grimmy/Maxwell - I'm not sure about the value of all the stats but I'd agree with your sentiment and a good read regardless of what anybody thinks about either keeper.

WBA - Did you write the piece about when we beat them in 92/93 under King Billy ? Were you only 13 at the time ?

Paper Rounds - How many did you have ? Were they all uphill ?
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The camera adds years. I'm impishly youthful in person...
 
A totally unbiased account except you seek to explain the area where Maxwell is clearly much better as being as a result of him ‘actually being worse’😂

On a serious note, I did quite an interesting thing yesterday... I looked at how our Team had fared with and without Marvin Ekpiteta at CH (possibly worth a more detailed look if you are into that kind of thing), but it perhaps gives some insight as the difference in relative results and goals conceded per game is massive. 1.5 Goals per game conceded with him and 1.82 without.. An average point per game with him compared to a metre 0.64 point per game average without... Of course we also have the managerial change, which coincides to some extent too..

Interestingly though when you compare Maxi & Grimmy when Marv has played in defence, then certain stats start to show quite a different story than the one you have portrayed in the article.

Save % Maxwell 72.73, Grimshaw 72.00
Saves PG Maxwell 3.5, Grimshaw 3.6
Pass Completion (launched passes) Maxwell 42.91%, Grimshaw 38.5%

Last season their comparative Save % was around 68% each with Grimshaw making an average 2.44 saves per game and Maxwell 3.143

I also think the stats are different depending on where you get them from, so I'm not entirely (in fact not remotely) convinced by their accuracy.

Of course, anyone can see that Maxwell has suffered a few mishaps recently and that's arguably down to a whole range of factors (confidence / pressure being big considerations), but I don't think you can under-estimate the impact that a pretty raggedy & disorganised defence is having on the keeper...

I think we have to be very careful however as supporters about trying to draw or shoehorn our own preferred conclusions... Hence why (being statistically minded) I've done a bit more digging into the detail, because I know from experience that statistics (especially when used without proper context) can be particularly misleading.... Maxwell got dogs abuse from the crowd on Saturday and many of those fans are being spurred on and wound up, by social media posts, bloggers and vloggers, podcasters and broadcasters and 'armed with their stats and blooper videos' feel spurred on to pick the team for themselves....

Whatever the reasons might be that Grimshaw has not been playing.... And he may still not play on Saturday, we have to try and back the players who ARE playing 100% (especially during the games)...The last time I witnessed the kind of abuse being directed at a player like on Friday it was being hurled at Andy Preece as the 1996 season started to collapse in around us.... I very nearly came to blows with one well known supporter as a result!! ...


We all have our opinions about who should play etc... but the only opinion that matters is the bloke who actually picks the team... And once they cross that white line in Tangerine, then they should have our 100% support no matter what!
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
A totally unbiased account except you seek to explain the area where Maxwell is clearly much better as being as a result of him ‘actually being worse’😂

On a serious note, I did quite an interesting thing yesterday... I looked at how our Team had fared with and without Marvin Ekpiteta at CH (possibly worth a more detailed look if you are into that kind of thing), but it perhaps gives some insight as the difference in relative results and goals conceded per game is massive. 1.5 Goals per game conceded with him and 1.82 without.. An average point per game with him compared to a metre 0.64 point per game average without... Of course we also have the managerial change, which coincides to some extent too..

Interestingly though when you compare Maxi & Grimmy when Marv has played in defence, then certain stats start to show quite a different story than the one you have portrayed in the article.

Save % Maxwell 72.73, Grimshaw 72.00
Saves PG Maxwell 3.5, Grimshaw 3.6
Pass Completion (launched passes) Maxwell 42.91%, Grimshaw 38.5%

Last season their comparative Save % was around 68% each with Grimshaw making an average 2.44 saves per game and Maxwell 3.143

I also think the stats are different depending on where you get them from, so I'm not entirely (in fact not remotely) convinced by their accuracy.

Of course, anyone can see that Maxwell has suffered a few mishaps recently and that's arguably down to a whole range of factors (confidence / pressure being big considerations), but I don't think you can under-estimate the impact that a pretty raggedy & disorganised defence is having on the keeper...

I think we have to be very careful however as supporters about trying to draw or shoehorn our own preferred conclusions... Hence why (being statistically minded) I've done a bit more digging into the detail, because I know from experience that statistics (especially when used without proper context) can be particularly misleading.... Maxwell got dogs abuse from the crowd on Saturday and many of those fans are being spurred on and wound up, by social media posts, bloggers and vloggers, podcasters and broadcasters and 'armed with their stats and blooper videos' feel spurred on to pick the team for themselves....

Whatever the reasons might be that Grimshaw has not been playing.... And he may still not play on Saturday, we have to try and back the players who ARE playing 100% (especially during the games)...The last time I witnessed the kind of abuse being directed at a player like on Friday it was being hurled at Andy Preece as the 1996 season started to collapse in around us.... I very nearly came to blows with one well known supporter as a result!! ...


We all have our opinions about who should play etc... but the only opinion that matters is the bloke who actually picks the team... And once they cross that white line in Tangerine, then they should have our 100% support no matter what!
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Out of interest, where are your stats from? Is there a site where you can get that level of granular analysis that is free to access?

I would agree there are much bigger issues than who plays in goal.
 
BigHandsOliverKahn said:
I can only think that the bang on the head he got at the back end of last season has had more of an impact on him than we realise. If not, I'm baffled too.
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I wondered that. He's been quite a lot deeper, almost as if retreating into his goal for safety but then, Maxwell has also been deeper too.

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BFC_BFC_BFC said:
A totally unbiased account except you seek to explain the area where Maxwell is clearly much better as being as a result of him ‘actually being worse’😂

On a serious note, I did quite an interesting thing yesterday... I looked at how our Team had fared with and without Marvin Ekpiteta at CH (possibly worth a more detailed look if you are into that kind of thing), but it perhaps gives some insight as the difference in relative results and goals conceded per game is massive. 1.5 Goals per game conceded with him and 1.82 without.. An average point per game with him compared to a metre 0.64 point per game average without... Of course we also have the managerial change, which coincides to some extent too..

Interestingly though when you compare Maxi & Grimmy when Marv has played in defence, then certain stats start to show quite a different story than the one you have portrayed in the article.

Save % Maxwell 72.73, Grimshaw 72.00
Saves PG Maxwell 3.5, Grimshaw 3.6
Pass Completion (launched passes) Maxwell 42.91%, Grimshaw 38.5%

Last season their comparative Save % was around 68% each with Grimshaw making an average 2.44 saves per game and Maxwell 3.143

I also think the stats are different depending on where you get them from, so I'm not entirely (in fact not remotely) convinced by their accuracy.

Of course, anyone can see that Maxwell has suffered a few mishaps recently and that's arguably down to a whole range of factors (confidence / pressure being big considerations), but I don't think you can under-estimate the impact that a pretty raggedy & disorganised defence is having on the keeper...

I think we have to be very careful however as supporters about trying to draw or shoehorn our own preferred conclusions... Hence why (being statistically minded) I've done a bit more digging into the detail, because I know from experience that statistics (especially when used without proper context) can be particularly misleading.... Maxwell got dogs abuse from the crowd on Saturday and many of those fans are being spurred on and wound up, by social media posts, bloggers and vloggers, podcasters and broadcasters and 'armed with their stats and blooper videos' feel spurred on to pick the team for themselves....

Whatever the reasons might be that Grimshaw has not been playing.... And he may still not play on Saturday, we have to try and back the players who ARE playing 100% (especially during the games)...The last time I witnessed the kind of abuse being directed at a player like on Friday it was being hurled at Andy Preece as the 1996 season started to collapse in around us.... I very nearly came to blows with one well known supporter as a result!! ...


We all have our opinions about who should play etc... but the only opinion that matters is the bloke who actually picks the team... And once they cross that white line in Tangerine, then they should have our 100% support no matter what!
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Absolutely agree- and criticising our players who are playing is only going to do more harm than good. Just back the team ffs
 
Maxwell has been poor imo. Hasn’t been the same since his injuries.

We’ve definitely been more shaky at the back since the old master Keogh left, without adequately replacing him. The Big Marv injury also compounded our frailties at the back. Maxwell has had very little protection.
 
td53 said:
Ah, I didn't know you can do that with it. I'll have a look.
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You need to click on 'Match Logs' and then specify the season you are interested to look at... I then copied and pasted the data into excel to take a more detailed look at..

I think to be honest people see what they want to see and essentially Maxwell has recently been put under the microscope and is being very harshly judged IMHO.... I don't think that fans (especially given the current situation) are capable of being remotely balanced on this and many other similar kinds of subjects in truth....

We've got people who've probably played Sunday League football at best coming out with comments like "He got his positioning totally wrong for that one".... Like they would have a ** clue 😂

As I said in another thread.... Take a look at the current defensive liability that is Andy Lyons ... I haven't heard a single word said against him... In fact fans are clamouring for him to be included, yet defensively he's gifted the opposition a number of goals already in his short time with us and has been an absolute shambles in defence at times..... Of course he's a young lad, he'll get better with coaching (we hope), he's scored a few goals and he's not being put under the AVFTT Microscope (YET).. The point being, that I doubt there's a player on the pitch who would come out smelling of anything other than dog poo, if they were subjected to the same level of microscopic and largely confirmation bias based scrutiny.
 
td53 said:
Statistically he is this season. As I said in the piece, Grimshaw being decisive in not coming is, however, arguably better (or no worse) than indecision.
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I’ve never seen a more panicked north stand than with Maxwell in net from crosses.

So you're on about the stopping crosses stat? Which makes sense if he's attempting to come for more, getting some, some ultimately he doesn't get and that's when it's chaos.

That stat doesn't mean we're less likely to concede from crosses, only that the difference in strategy makes perfect sense in that stat, if that is indeed the case.

When Grimshaw does come for crosses I seem to recall him punching away far more than Maxwell does.

It's literally the area people identify as Maxwells biggest weakness, from crosses.

The mistakes Grimshaw made to be dropped, they weren't actually howlers, compared to the ones Maxwell has made. People bang on about Rotherham, but it was one mistake for their 3rd goal, was hit hard at him but he parried back into their striker who then scored. What else was there? Millwall away?

Maxwell has had many shots go straight through him from open play and corners, given away penalties when he's come out and misjudged it.

If I was Grimshaw I'd be annoyed too as the other guy is bullet proof and doesn't get dropped for worse mistakes.
 
JJpool said:
I’ve never seen a more panicked north stand than with Maxwell in net from crosses.

So you're on about the stopping crosses stat? Which makes sense if he's attempting to come for more, getting some, some ultimately he doesn't get and that's when it's chaos.

That stat doesn't mean we're less likely to concede from crosses, only that the difference in strategy makes perfect sense in that stat, if that is indeed the case.

When Grimshaw does come for crosses I seem to recall him punching away far more than Maxwell does.

It's literally the area people identify as Maxwells biggest weakness, from crosses.

The mistakes Grimshaw made to be dropped, they weren't actually howlers, compared to the ones Maxwell has made. People bang on about Rotherham, but it was one mistake for their 3rd goal, was hit hard at him but he parried back into their striker who then scored. What else was there? Millwall away?

Maxwell has had many shots go straight through him from open play and corners, given away penalties when he's come out and misjudged it.

If I was Grimshaw I'd be annoyed too as the other guy is bullet proof and doesn't get dropped for worse mistakes.
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Rotherham was the culmination of a good few mistakes... People tend to have short memories and conveniently forget the stuff that doesn't suit.

In what was only a pretty short period of games, there were a number of errors and particularly where Grimshaw passing and receiving the ball to feet was concerned. Twice he set the opposition CF up for a free shot at goal (fortunately he recovered and saved), but he was also continually putting our players under pressure with poor decision making, indecisive passing and bumbling the ball when received to feet. There was also the incident where he failed to set his wall correctly (I Know, I Know....)... I also got the impression from comments made by players, that they tended to prefer the way in which Maxi would organise the defence (bear in mind we have a pretty inexperienced CH pairing plus Dom Thomson & CC on the Right)...

I think Appleton just went for what he perceived was a more experienced keeper, a bit of a captain / organiser figure, but also someone who would be a bit calmer on the ball.... And to be perfectly honest, that really proved to be the case... In his first game vs Norwich for example Blackpool did look a lot more assured defensively with Maxi in nets and it was only an absolute calamity from Thompson that undid what would have been a well fought draw, following a poor spell. next game was an outstanding performance at Sunderland away, the Home win Vs Watford and then another heroic keeping display at Sheff United.... By that point he'd very much cemented his place in the side.. we had a complete change in defence for the Hull fixture (Marvin Out) the line up was Garbutt, Thorniley, Williams, Connolly... We then beat Knob end and Coventry before the poor run...

But really it would be completely unfair to say that Maxwell has deserved to be dropped at any time by Appleton.....
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
But really it would be completely unfair to say that Maxwell has deserved to be dropped at any time by Appleton.....
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That does make quite a lot of sense.
But his frailties were starting towards the end of his reign and have become more frequent since.
Your post about who is in front of him also makes sense, but when any player's confidence has gone it needs dealing with and some of our players look like their confidence is made of glass.
 
Since Christmas it's not been that often we've had two proper centre halves, not full backs filling in.

For all the focus on lack of strikers, it's been the lack of central defenders that has ultimately cost us.
 
Wizaard said:
Since Christmas it's not been that often we've had two proper centre halves, not full backs filling in.

For all the focus on lack of strikers, it's been the lack of central defenders that has ultimately cost us.
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I think more than anything, it's a lack of presence in midfield, but we've lacked a defence too of late.
 
td53 said:
I think more than anything, it's a lack of presence in midfield, but we've lacked a defence too of late.
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It is a bit unfair to apportion all the blame on the defence when almost all of the season our mid-field has been weak.
This is where MA has to take a lot of blame by persisting with 3 in there but more often than not it was Carey & CP who never worked and still don't.
 
Insider said:
@td53 .
WyScout is what the pro's use.
Its not free but you can get a free trial I think
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I'll have a look. I make literally jack-shit from writing the blog so I'm not paying for data but I'll see if I can get an article out of it on a free trial.
 
td53 said:
I'll have a look. I make literally jack-shit from writing the blog so I'm not paying for data but I'll see if I can get an article out of it on a free trial.
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Have you thought about Patrons, although I am not the wealthiest I would contribute.
It's a good blog and a worthy cause.

Edit: Kin hell 311 €😵
 
Simonized said:
It is a bit unfair to apportion all the blame on the defence when almost all of the season our mid-field has been weak.
This is where MA has to take a lot of blame by persisting with 3 in there but more often than not it was Carey & CP who never worked and still don't.
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I think Appleton was hamstrung by recruitment as much as anything. He tried to address it with Bridcutt, that failed. Fiorini was injured, Connolly was stuck at RB. About his only option was to not have let Virtue out on loan but I don't think anyone realistically think Virtue alone would have transformed the season.
 
Simonized said:
Have you thought about Patrons, although I am not the wealthiest I would contribute.
It's a good blog and a worthy cause.
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Nah, appreciate that, but I don't want to charge for it cos it changes what it is. I can do it if I want and write what I want. I don't have to think about what 'the audience' wants or owt.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
You need to click on 'Match Logs' and then specify the season you are interested to look at... I then copied and pasted the data into excel to take a more detailed look at..

I think to be honest people see what they want to see and essentially Maxwell has recently been put under the microscope and is being very harshly judged IMHO.... I don't think that fans (especially given the current situation) are capable of being remotely balanced on this and many other similar kinds of subjects in truth....

We've got people who've probably played Sunday League football at best coming out with comments like "He got his positioning totally wrong for that one".... Like they would have a ** clue 😂

As I said in another thread.... Take a look at the current defensive liability that is Andy Lyons ... I haven't heard a single word said against him... In fact fans are clamouring for him to be included, yet defensively he's gifted the opposition a number of goals already in his short time with us and has been an absolute shambles in defence at times..... Of course he's a young lad, he'll get better with coaching (we hope), he's scored a few goals and he's not being put under the AVFTT Microscope (YET).. The point being, that I doubt there's a player on the pitch who would come out smelling of anything other than dog poo, if they were subjected to the same level of microscopic and largely confirmation bias based scrutiny.
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"We've got people who've probably played Sunday League football at best coming out with comments like "He got his positioning totally wrong for that one".... Like they would have a ** clue 😂"

I honestly don't think you have to have played Sunday League football or have ever to have played in goal to make an assessment on a goalkeepers positioning/performance ?

I think the same goes for most sports, I've never played rugby league in my life but I know that Don Fox's conversion attempt in the Challenge Cup was very poor.

Apologies for my pedanticity - if that's a word ? - you make good points and certainly everybody needs to get behind the team regardless of their views on selections but I don't think there is anything wrong with supporters holding different views on the selection of players to that of the management team and/or different views on the performance levels of those selected.

Changing the subject, I've not been on here as much of late but when I come on for a quick nosey, I find myself agreeing with just about all you say, I must be going through the change.
 
SEASIDE2020 said:
"We've got people who've probably played Sunday League football at best coming out with comments like "He got his positioning totally wrong for that one".... Like they would have a ** clue 😂"

I honestly don't think you have to have played Sunday League football or have ever to have played in goal to make an assessment on a goalkeepers positioning/performance ?

I think the same goes for most sports, I've never played rugby league in my life but I know that Don Fox's conversion attempt in the Challenge Cup was very poor.

Apologies for my pedanticity - if that's a word ? - you make good points and certainly everybody needs to get behind the team regardless of their views on selections but I don't think there is anything wrong with supporters holding different views on the selection of players to that of the management team and/or different views on the performance levels of those selected.

Changing the subject, I've not been on here as much of late but when I come on for a quick nosey, I find myself agreeing with just about all you say, I must be going through the change.
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Pedantry...🤣😉😉
 
Grimmy is the future, he should be playing anyway. He is far better on the ball, particularly as we have to play out through defence because we've no recognised target man
 
Chance finds me stuck in a pub round the corner from 221B Baker Street, waiting for a work meeting tomorrow. I doubt even the pipe, violin and deerstalker toting super sleuth could unravel why Grimmy has been frozen out so completely. Utterly baffling 🎷🎻
 
td53 said:
https://mclfoot.blogspot.com/2023/04/the-strange-case-of-daniel-grimshaw.html

I thought I'd spend a couple of hours looking at what I could find on Grimmy and our keepers in general. I went in with a relatively open mind, I've come out more baffled.

There seems to be a 'well, Grimmy isn't that good anyway' mood on here sometimes. I think he is pretty good and I think the numbers show it. It's therefore bizarre that he's been skipped in the way he has because the keeper who replaced him doesn't really address the one big weakness Grimmy has.
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I sense Agatha Christie in the title choice.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Rotherham was the culmination of a good few mistakes... People tend to have short memories and conveniently forget the stuff that doesn't suit.

In what was only a pretty short period of games, there were a number of errors and particularly where Grimshaw passing and receiving the ball to feet was concerned. Twice he set the opposition CF up for a free shot at goal (fortunately he recovered and saved), but he was also continually putting our players under pressure with poor decision making, indecisive passing and bumbling the ball when received to feet. There was also the incident where he failed to set his wall correctly (I Know, I Know....)... I also got the impression from comments made by players, that they tended to prefer the way in which Maxi would organise the defence (bear in mind we have a pretty inexperienced CH pairing plus Dom Thomson & CC on the Right)...

I think Appleton just went for what he perceived was a more experienced keeper, a bit of a captain / organiser figure, but also someone who would be a bit calmer on the ball.... And to be perfectly honest, that really proved to be the case... In his first game vs Norwich for example Blackpool did look a lot more assured defensively with Maxi in nets and it was only an absolute calamity from Thompson that undid what would have been a well fought draw, following a poor spell. next game was an outstanding performance at Sunderland away, the Home win Vs Watford and then another heroic keeping display at Sheff United.... By that point he'd very much cemented his place in the side.. we had a complete change in defence for the Hull fixture (Marvin Out) the line up was Garbutt, Thorniley, Williams, Connolly... We then beat Knob end and Coventry before the poor run...

But really it would be completely unfair to say that Maxwell has deserved to be dropped at any time by Appleton.....
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Actual mistakes on goals though, I don't think there's that many and some aren't even that bad.

If we're counting poor kicking then there's been loads of times Maxwell has hit daisy cutters that can go anywhere, also often blasted it straight into touch too.

Ekpiteta was probably the worst player for passing to thr opposition in dangerous areas, he's been awful for it this season.

Can't remember what wall he didn't set up?

I'm sure that's what Appleton did, however Grimshaw was good on the ball in ways and when not having a mad moment, is superior to Maxwell there too.

Sorry, heroic keeping display at Sheffield United, he literally cost us a goal at the start by palming back into danger, (if Grimshaw is to blame for doing the same at Rotherham then he is there too) and was weak on another, couldn't save the last shot either, that's not a game I'd use to sell his keeping ability.

I've already covered these and more in the past...

Appleton on GK situation - backs Maxwell

'It's easy to shout a name': Blackpool boss Michael Appleton gives Chris Maxwell his backing as fans call for Dan Grimshaw "Grimshaw’s name was chanted by the 4,000 or so Seasiders that made the trip to Wigan on Saturday for the 2-1 defeat at the DW Stadium. It followed another mixed display...
avftt.co.uk
 
JJpool said:
Actual mistakes on goals though, I don't think there's that many and some aren't even that bad.

If we're counting poor kicking then there's been loads of times Maxwell has hit daisy cutters that can go anywhere, also often blasted it straight into touch too.

Ekpiteta was probably the worst player for passing to thr opposition in dangerous areas, he's been awful for it this season.

Can't remember what wall he didn't set up?

I'm sure that's what Appleton did, however Grimshaw was good on the ball in ways and when not having a mad moment, is superior to Maxwell there too.

Sorry, heroic keeping display at Sheffield United, he literally cost us a goal at the start by palming back into danger, (if Grimshaw is to blame for doing the same at Rotherham then he is there too) and was weak on another, couldn't save the last shot either, that's not a game I'd use to sell his keeping ability.

I've already covered these and more in the past...

Appleton on GK situation - backs Maxwell

'It's easy to shout a name': Blackpool boss Michael Appleton gives Chris Maxwell his backing as fans call for Dan Grimshaw "Grimshaw’s name was chanted by the 4,000 or so Seasiders that made the trip to Wigan on Saturday for the 2-1 defeat at the DW Stadium. It followed another mixed display...
avftt.co.uk
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What do you mean "Actual Mistakes on Goals"?

His poor decision making (mainly short range passing) as well as constantly getting caught out by the press, due to him being all edgy when receiving the ball under pressure, was a) affecting our ability to pass the ball out from the back and b) creating unnecessary pressure on the defence as a result.

He seemed to constantly be making the wrong decision... Passing short when he should have been going long and taking way to much time on the ball....

I can't remember the which team the failure to set the Wall was against now (seems like a lifetime ago).... I seem to recall he just had 1 man, Jerry Yates? in it (and yes, it resulted in a goal) take a look through the highlights...

Maxwell had an immediate effect of settling the defence right down and the pressure was noticeably lifted as a result.... The Norwich game at home as noticeably different and the defence noticeably calmer.

You might be right about Eki, but we have had our better results when he's been playing... Simple as that.

Grimshaw was shaky / dodgy with the ball at his feet from his very first game against Forest Away.... It was one of the first things I noticed about him.

He pulled off some absolute word class saves to keep us in the game at Sheff United... The attack was relentless... I'm happy to use it as an example...
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
What do you mean "Actual Mistakes on Goals"?

His poor decision making (mainly short range passing) as well as constantly getting caught out by the press, due to him being all edgy when receiving the ball under pressure, was a) affecting our ability to pass the ball out from the back and b) creating unnecessary pressure on the defence as a result.

He seemed to constantly be making the wrong decision... Passing short when he should have been going long and taking way to much time on the ball....

I can't remember the which team the failure to set the Wall was against now (seems like a lifetime ago).... I seem to recall he just had 1 man, Jerry Yates? in it (and yes, it resulted in a goal) take a look through the highlights...

Maxwell had an immediate effect of settling the defence right down and the pressure was noticeably lifted as a result.... The Norwich game at home as noticeably different and the defence noticeably calmer.

You might be right about Eki, but we have had our better results when he's been playing... Simple as that.

Grimshaw was shaky / dodgy with the ball at his feet from his very first game against Forest Away.... It was one of the first things I noticed about him.

He pulled off some absolute word class saves to keep us in the game at Sheff United... The attack was relentless... I'm happy to use it as an example...
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Mistakes that led to goals, it's one thing passing to the opposition or Maxwell doing a daisy cutters but we can't really look back at it unless we watch the full 90, which I'm definitely not prepared to do, had enough of this season already 😌 I'm also not going to look through all the highlights to find a potential dodgy wall setup. I can only think of 1 free kick we let in against Millwall last season, maybe there's more, whoknows.

That's typical of Maxwell, a decent save here then a flap and weak goalkeeping there sadly.

The Sheffield United game had at least 1 blunder in yet Grimshaw is criticised for 1 blunder against Rotherham.
 
When Mad uncle Richard was here, he organised EVERYTHING. The keeper didn’t have to think of anything but shot stopping, which both our keepers are pretty good at. Richard left and it was Marvs time to shine and at first, we saw the old Marv who was error prone and made everyone on edge, he began to grow into his role and we started to steady the ship.

Now we have no Richard, no Captain Marv or even shaky Marv. Hubby is Hubby, he can have a few bad games and then a few bad games at the best of times…. At this point none are filled with confidence and it’s clear to see. We have no leader at the back and no real organiser. It has been hoped that Maxi would be the best to organise what’s in front of him but they are not good enough, are not settled and are void of confidence, this not only gives Maxi more to consider and try to control but also leaves him open. Sadly as one of the most senior players and one who is listened to by his team mates
In the changing room, needs must. I watched in disbelief as Grimmys name was chanted as Cardiff scored. The twelve man really did get going, but sadly against their team in the worst possible time.
 
JJpool said:
Mistakes that led to goals, it's one thing passing to the opposition or Maxwell doing a daisy cutters but we can't really look back at it unless we watch the full 90, which I'm definitely not prepared to do, had enough of this season already 😌 I'm also not going to look through all the highlights to find a potential dodgy wall setup. I can only think of 1 free kick we let in against Millwall last season, maybe there's more, whoknows.

That's typical of Maxwell, a decent save here then a flap and weak goalkeeping there sadly.

The Sheffield United game had at least 1 blunder in yet Grimshaw is criticised for 1 blunder against Rotherham.
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It's all academic really JJ.... Appleton decided to drop him.... he didn't do it for no reason and I'd been saying for weeks that Grimshaw was looking decidedly dodgy. So it came as no shock to me whatsoever....

As I said, based on results that followed, it was the right decision (at least at first)....

Once he's made the decision, he's only going to change back again, if Maxwell ends up being worse than Grimshaw was in those early games and frankly that has simply never happened...certainly not until very recently.

I suspect that had Maxwell have actually started the season in nets, it could very easily have gone the opposite way.....
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
It's all academic really JJ.... Appleton decided to drop him.... he didn't do it for no reason and I'd been saying for weeks that Grimshaw was looking decidedly dodgy. So it came as no shock to me whatsoever....

As I said, based on results that followed, it was the right decision (at least at first)....

Once he's made the decision, he's only going to change back again, if Maxwell ends up being worse than Grimshaw was in those early games and frankly that has simply never happened...certainly not until very recently.

I suspect that had Maxwell have actually started the season in nets, it could very easily have gone the opposite way.....
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You've got to feel for Grimshaw though, a bit of a bad passing spell and the odd mistake that led to a goal, nothing that shocking and he's never able to get back in, all as his replacement has made way more mistakes and is never dropped.

He's just the better keeper, an asset and would only improve.
 
JJpool said:
You've got to feel for Grimshaw though, a bit of a bad passing spell and the odd mistake that led to a goal, nothing that shocking and he's never able to get back in, all as his replacement has made way more mistakes and is never dropped.

He's just the better keeper, an asset and would only improve.
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He’s a professional footballer… I don’t feel for him, I’d absolutely love to be in his position tbh.

Yep.. I’m sure he’s frustrated, but he’ll get his chance and when he does he needs to make sure he doesn’t fuck it up again.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
He’s a professional footballer… I don’t feel for him, I’d absolutely love to be in his position tbh.

Yep.. I’m sure he’s frustrated, but he’ll get his chance and when he does he needs to make sure he doesn’t fuck it up again.
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Well if you comapre of to us peasants yes. However the 'rules' haven't been evenly applied to him, or should I say Maxwell. We've had different managers which hasn't helped that as Mick for eg will have continued with 'the number 1, he knew f all about us clearly coming in anyway.

Not sure when he'll get his chance, probably not this season and whoknows after that, he'll want to play.
 
Briggs5 said:
Good blog and I agree with every word.

I worry that he'll leave in the summer and that his treatment might put off other talented PL academy players from signing with us. After all, if he's not going to be forgiven/allowed to make mistakes when he's young, how are similar younger and inexperienced players expected to develop?
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Isn’t he under contract to July 25 with a further 1 year option?
 
Great stuff as always, Matt. There does seem to be a prevailing "not much between them" thought on here and to be fair that's credit to how good Maxwell has been, at times.

But Grimshaw was legitimately one of the best keepers in the division by any metric for most of last season, he was on a path to netting us 5+ million, his treatment is absolutely bizarre and we've massively shot ourselves in the foot imo.
 
Agree with the OP. It makes absolutely no sense and there must be something significant going on behind the scenes to mean he has been given no chance whatsoever!

Also what BFCx3 says is true to an extent, but over the course of 2 seasons (about 1 season for each keeper overall) Grimshaw has clearly been better. The amount of times he dug us out last season was amazing and preserved our momentum in our strong mid-season run. Impossible to say how many points his saves alone picked us up last season, but there was a reason he was ranked 4th (!!!!) in the entire league for goals prevented.

Surely must be something more going on?
 
Tangerine George said:
Agree with the OP. It makes absolutely no sense and there must be something significant going on behind the scenes to mean he has been given no chance whatsoever!

Also what BFCx3 says is true to an extent, but over the course of 2 seasons (about 1 season for each keeper overall) Grimshaw has clearly been better. The amount of times he dug us out last season was amazing and preserved our momentum in our strong mid-season run. Impossible to say how many points his saves alone picked us up last season, but there was a reason he was ranked 4th (!!!!) in the entire league for goals prevented.

Surely must be something more going on?
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That says it all and people forget how many goals in the + column he was worth when he played.
 
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