Meanwhile, terrorist murder in Hartlepool

TSSeasider

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Whilst so much attention is focused on what is happening to Jews and Palestinians, we had our own terrorist murder here in Hartlepool over last weekend.

4 asylum seekers housed in a property at the literal end of the road where I work; 1 of whom was Moroccan and radicalised - where this happened, who knows.

He attempted to murder one of the other folk in the house, went on a walk and murdered a 70 year old man who had just got his money out of the cash point at Morrisons.

He was quickly apprehended and is now going through the judicial system as a terrorist.

As sickening as it sounds, we're lucky. It happened at 6am, if it had been a bit later, it would have been busier and there could well have been carnage.

Lots of questions.

Mears Group have a private contract with the Home Office to house people seeking asylum and have no duty to report it to the Local Authority. Their contract makes loads of cash which is why they rent cheap houses in Hartlepool to maximise their profits.

What have Mears Group done to make sure that all their residents are safe and what checks do they do to put people in houses so that they don't house people who historically have hated each other?

The Local Authority have no influence over this but have to pick up the pieces of it. What are Mears responsibilities to pay some form of reparation to the town's council tax payers who are picking up the tab?

What are the protocols for working with local communities to understand that there are going to be new arrivals and this will change the feel of a place.

It appears as though the housemate (another person seeking asylum) reported the terrorist to the prevent team as he feared he was going to be murdered - what action was taken and what went wrong?

Why can we now get police patrols on foot, when for the last 10 years, we've not had them?

How do we work together to make sure that the actual racists (who have been proven right in this case) don't milk it for all it's worth and stir up shit for the rest of the non-white community?

There's more; but for something like this to happen in a town like Hartlepool, needs to be noticed and actions to minimise the potential of it happening elsewhere.

 
Whilst so much attention is focused on what is happening to Jews and Palestinians, we had our own terrorist murder here in Hartlepool over last weekend.

4 asylum seekers housed in a property at the literal end of the road where I work; 1 of whom was Moroccan and radicalised - where this happened, who knows.

He attempted to murder one of the other folk in the house, went on a walk and murdered a 70 year old man who had just got his money out of the cash point at Morrisons.

He was quickly apprehended and is now going through the judicial system as a terrorist.

As sickening as it sounds, we're lucky. It happened at 6am, if it had been a bit later, it would have been busier and there could well have been carnage.

Lots of questions.

Mears Group have a private contract with the Home Office to house people seeking asylum and have no duty to report it to the Local Authority. Their contract makes loads of cash which is why they rent cheap houses in Hartlepool to maximise their profits.

What have Mears Group done to make sure that all their residents are safe and what checks do they do to put people in houses so that they don't house people who historically have hated each other?

The Local Authority have no influence over this but have to pick up the pieces of it. What are Mears responsibilities to pay some form of reparation to the town's council tax payers who are picking up the tab?

What are the protocols for working with local communities to understand that there are going to be new arrivals and this will change the feel of a place.

It appears as though the housemate (another person seeking asylum) reported the terrorist to the prevent team as he feared he was going to be murdered - what action was taken and what went wrong?

Why can we now get police patrols on foot, when for the last 10 years, we've not had them?

How do we work together to make sure that the actual racists (who have been proven right in this case) don't milk it for all it's worth and stir up shit for the rest of the non-white community?

There's more; but for something like this to happen in a town like Hartlepool, needs to be noticed and actions to minimise the potential of it happening elsewhere.

Bizarre that it hasn't made the mainstream news

Awful story
 
Online yes but didn't make any of the primetime channels
Probably because it was just a procedural day, he appeared via video link to confirm his name and address and that's it. The actual court case doesn't start until Thursday. It was covered by many mainstream news websites.
 
Probably because it was just a procedural day, he appeared via video link to confirm his name and address and that's it. The actual court case doesn't start until Thursday. It was covered by many mainstream news websites.
Selective reporting on mainstream TV news has been a problem for many years in this country imo

You obviously won't agree, that's fine as it's just opinions
 
Selective reporting on mainstream TV news has been a problem for many years in this country imo

You obviously won't agree, that's fine as it's just opinions
Well I don't agree with your initial statement that "it hasn't made the mainstream news" because this was objectively false. It's online on the BBC, Sky, Guardian, Daily Mail, ITV.
 
The link is to the BBC's Tees regional page, so about as remote a page as they have on the site, and not something 99.9% of the population would ever visit.
 
The link is to the BBC's Tees regional page, so about as remote a page as they have on the site, and not something 99.9% of the population would ever visit.
Hardly surprising considering the 'news' was that he turned up via videolink and confirmed his name and address and in a procedure day and that's it. The court case doesn't start until Thursday. I can certainly see why this wasn't given air time on a the Ten O'Clock news considering, you know, there's some quite big news going on at the moment. It was, however, covered on Sky News, ITV, Daily Mail, Guardian, other tabloids etc, online. That's mainstream news.
 
From reading more about this case (on mainstream news websites, quite easily accessible) it appears no terrorism incident has been declared and 'likely won't be'. It was investigated by Counter-Terrorism officers and found to be an isolated incident and he is not being charged with terrorism offences.
 
Hardly surprising considering the 'news' was that he turned up via videolink and confirmed his name and address and in a procedure day and that's it. The court case doesn't start until Thursday. I can certainly see why this wasn't given air time on a the Ten O'Clock news considering, you know, there's some quite big news going on at the moment. It was, however, covered on Sky News, ITV, Daily Mail, Guardian, other tabloids etc, online. That's mainstream news.
If you google Hartlepool murder BBC, all results direct to the Tees page.


From reading more about this case (on mainstream news websites, quite easily accessible) it appears no terrorism incident has been declared and 'likely won't be'. It was investigated by Counter-Terrorism officers and found to be an isolated incident and he is not being charged with terrorism offences.
From the original link:
The hearing was held in London because it is being handled under the Crown Prosecution Service's counter-terrorism protocol.
 
If you google Hartlepool murder BBC, all results direct to the Tees page.



From the original link:
The hearing was held in London because it is being handled under the Crown Prosecution Service's counter-terrorism protocol.
Yes, I'm aware the BBC posted that under the local region, I find that completely reasonable. As I said, many other mainstream outlets are covering it too, nationally.

The Guardian has more infomation, as do other sites. Counter Terrorism are leading the investigation but they are exploring all motives and have not declared it a terrorist incident as yet, and are unlikely to, according to the Guardian. They have publicly said it is an isolated incident. If evidence leads them to change their opinion on this, I am sure it will be bigger news.
 
Yes, I'm aware the BBC posted that under the local region, I find that completely reasonable. As I said, many other mainstream outlets are covering it too, nationally.

The Guardian has more infomation, as do other sites. Counter Terrorism are leading the investigation but they are exploring all motives and have not declared it a terrorist incident as yet, and are unlikely to, according to the Guardian. They have publicly said it is an isolated incident. If evidence leads them to change their opinion on this, I am sure it will be bigger news.
I'm sure you know better than @TSSeasider, who only lives in the town and works on the same road as the incident.
 
I'm sure you know better than @TSSeasider, who only lives in the town and works on the same road as the incident.
I am literally quoting Counter-Terrorism police in an attempt to shed light on why the BBC may not have this as a national story yet. If you have a problem with that you have a problem with them.
 
It's traditional to include a link with a quote.

In any event, I'll go with the OP over whatever you've read in the guardian.

Why bother moaning that it isn't in the news (it is) if you're already saying you're not going to pay any attention? Sorry lads, I think I'm going to need more evidence before going with any insinuation the media doesn't want to report on terrorism.
 

Why bother moaning that it isn't in the news (it is) if you're already saying you're not going to pay any attention? Sorry lads, I think I'm going to need more evidence before going with any insinuation the media doesn't want to report on terrorism.
Are you not even slightly embarrassed that you're telling @TSSeasider that he's no idea what he's talking about?
 
Are you not even slightly embarrassed that you're telling @TSSeasider that he's no idea what he's talking about?
You're barking up the wrong tree and it seems your personal dislike of me is leading you to misquote me. I've never said anything of the sort to TSSeasider, and you can keep tagging him like a schoolchild snitching to the headmaster hoping he will tell someone off but it doesn't change what I actually posted. Phil wanted to know why it wasn't being covered in mainstream media. So I offered all the examples of how mainstream media were covering it. In doing so I quoted some additional context from the Counter Terrorism police unit, and I don't see why this would be any reason for embarrassment.
 
Our MP, who has been absent for much of her term; turned up today in PMQ's


I suppose it's about what you define as terrorism; the Belgians called that fella who killed the two Swedes a terrorist - when the two MP's were murdered it was terrorism; this fella has been radicalised and reported under the Prevent Strategy - it's a terrorist incident - it may be isolated and over, but he was known to the counter terrorist police and will eventually be found guilty of murder and attempted murder in the name of God or Palestine or something like that.

But it's only Hartlepool; and isn't as newsworthy as a city.
 
Our MP, who has been absent for much of her term; turned up today in PMQ's


I suppose it's about what you define as terrorism; the Belgians called that fella who killed the two Swedes a terrorist - when the two MP's were murdered it was terrorism; this fella has been radicalised and reported under the Prevent Strategy - it's a terrorist incident - it may be isolated and over, but he was known to the counter terrorist police and will eventually be found guilty of murder and attempted murder in the name of God or Palestine or something like that.

But it's only Hartlepool; and isn't as newsworthy as a city.
Compare and contrast this with Finsbury Park, or Jo Cox, which the MSM were happy to label as "right wing terrorism" from the start.

Also consider the "pro-Palestine" demonstrations, where the demonstrators are literally calling for genocide against Jews, and the police do nothing.

The police, the MSM, appear to be utterly terrified by the issue, and are doing their damnedest to avoid confronting it.
 
You're barking up the wrong tree and it seems your personal dislike of me is leading you to misquote me. I've never said anything of the sort to TSSeasider, and you can keep tagging him like a schoolchild snitching to the headmaster hoping he will tell someone off but it doesn't change what I actually posted. Phil wanted to know why it wasn't being covered in mainstream media. So I offered all the examples of how mainstream media were covering it. In doing so I quoted some additional context from the Counter Terrorism police unit, and I don't see why this would be any reason for embarrassment.
He doesn't like anyone who isn't an rwnj.
 
Compare and contrast this with Finsbury Park, or Jo Cox, which the MSM were happy to label as "right wing terrorism" from the start.

Also consider the "pro-Palestine" demonstrations, where the demonstrators are literally calling for genocide against Jews, and the police do nothing.

The police, the MSM, appear to be utterly terrified by the issue, and are doing their damnedest to avoid confronting it.
Just because you keep posting crap, doesn't make it true.

In your 13 years on earth, have you not learnt that yet?
 
Compare and contrast this with Finsbury Park, or Jo Cox, which the MSM were happy to label as "right wing terrorism" from the start.

Also consider the "pro-Palestine" demonstrations, where the demonstrators are literally calling for genocide against Jews, and the police do nothing.

The police, the MSM, appear to be utterly terrified by the issue, and are doing their damnedest to avoid confronting it.
Garbage. The news is reporting the facts. Counter Terrorism police are leading an investigation into a man charged with murder. Today was nothing, a procedural day. More will follow out of the court case. It is not for the BBC to declare someone a terrorist.

Here is the BBC report on the day of Jo Cox's murder. Where do they declare her killer a terrorist? Where do they even mention the word? https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-36550304.amp
 
Garbage. The news is reporting the facts. Counter Terrorism police are leading an investigation into a man charged with murder. Today was nothing, a procedural day. More will follow out of the court case. It is not for the BBC to declare someone a terrorist.

Here is the BBC report on the day of Jo Cox's murder. Where do they declare her killer a terrorist? Where do they even mention the word? https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-36550304.amp
Far-right terrorist Thomas Mair jailed for life for Jo Cox murder

Jo Cox: Man jailed for 'terrorist' murder of MP

Oh, and what do you think "from the river to the sea" really means?
 
Garbage. The news is reporting the facts. Counter Terrorism police are leading an investigation into a man charged with murder. Today was nothing, a procedural day. More will follow out of the court case. It is not for the BBC to declare someone a terrorist.

Here is the BBC report on the day of Jo Cox's murder. Where do they declare her killer a terrorist? Where do they even mention the word? https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-36550304.amp
Its very tedious and time consuming Foggy, but we have to call out the nutters on here. Otherwise they'll think that silence means acquiescence.

I originally only posted on football matters, but when I read posters talking about going to " Tommy Robinson" rallies, and spouting racist right wing views, I felt they had to be confronted. Myself and a few like minded posters have seen off a few of them over the years, and we'll see off this lot too.

I'm afraid they're so stupid that they'll go too far, and eventually be excluded. It's only a matter of time
 
Now what do you notice about the date and content of those articles you just found? You said "Compare and contrast this with... Jo Cox, which the MSM were happy to label as "right wing terrorism" from the start."

Those articles you shared are not "from the start". They are after the court case. They are after a jury heard how the killer shouted 'Britain First!' And told officers 'I am a political activist'. A court decided that his offence was politically motivated. The media was reporting facts. "The judge said Mair would have to serve a whole-life sentence due to the “exceptional seriousness” of the offence: a murder committed to advance a cause associated with Nazism"

If the court case finds that the killer in Hartlepool committed his crime to further his religious causes they will do the same. Are you going to show me where the BBC branded him a terrorist "from the start" or admit you were wrong?
 
A lot of the time these so called terrorists are loners who have smoked too much skunk. Doesn't mean they aren't a problem and it's a tragedy that a fella innocently going about his business has been murdered but its one messed up individual that has committed the crime, hopefully the locals don't take it out on all immigrants and asylum seekers in the area.
 
Whilst so much attention is focused on what is happening to Jews and Palestinians, we had our own terrorist murder here in Hartlepool over last weekend.

4 asylum seekers housed in a property at the literal end of the road where I work; 1 of whom was Moroccan and radicalised - where this happened, who knows.

He attempted to murder one of the other folk in the house, went on a walk and murdered a 70 year old man who had just got his money out of the cash point at Morrisons.

He was quickly apprehended and is now going through the judicial system as a terrorist.

As sickening as it sounds, we're lucky. It happened at 6am, if it had been a bit later, it would have been busier and there could well have been carnage.

Lots of questions.

Mears Group have a private contract with the Home Office to house people seeking asylum and have no duty to report it to the Local Authority. Their contract makes loads of cash which is why they rent cheap houses in Hartlepool to maximise their profits.

What have Mears Group done to make sure that all their residents are safe and what checks do they do to put people in houses so that they don't house people who historically have hated each other?

The Local Authority have no influence over this but have to pick up the pieces of it. What are Mears responsibilities to pay some form of reparation to the town's council tax payers who are picking up the tab?

What are the protocols for working with local communities to understand that there are going to be new arrivals and this will change the feel of a place.

It appears as though the housemate (another person seeking asylum) reported the terrorist to the prevent team as he feared he was going to be murdered - what action was taken and what went wrong?

Why can we now get police patrols on foot, when for the last 10 years, we've not had them?

How do we work together to make sure that the actual racists (who have been proven right in this case) don't milk it for all it's worth and stir up shit for the rest of the non-white community?

There's more; but for something like this to happen in a town like Hartlepool, needs to be noticed and actions to minimise the potential of it happening elsewhere.

You raise important issues. Is this something you might raise with the Council - perhaps via an open letter published in the local paper?
 
Another scumbag imported.

One of the many risks with importing unknowns from countries with completely different values etc.

As said all along there's a big security risk, we've seen it many times and actually even just one of these lunatics could cause major harm to many.

But yet many still want to allow boats to arrive and people who've literally destroyed their passports and arrive with unknown intentions to come.

It's OK, it's not like MI5 has an almost impossible task on their hands already, this the number from 2020...


90% of 43k is a shocking number.
 
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