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Former Tory peer Michelle Mone facing criminal bribery allegation | UK news | The Guardian

Mone and husband, Douglas Barrowman, under investigation by NCA over involvement with PPE Medpro
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I’m sure Lost assured us this wasn’t possible so I don’t know why the NCA is wasting taxpayers’ money with this investigation.

Still it’s good to know she’s finally admitted she was involved in the company she said she had no involvement in.
 
Mexboroseasider said:

Former Tory peer Michelle Mone facing criminal bribery allegation | UK news | The Guardian

Mone and husband, Douglas Barrowman, under investigation by NCA over involvement with PPE Medpro
amp.theguardian.com amp.theguardian.com

I’m sure Lost assured us this wasn’t possible so I don’t know why the NCA is wasting taxpayers’ money with this investigation.

Still it’s good to know she’s finally admitted she was involved in the company she said she had no involvement in.
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I blame the Civil Servants.
 
I see the so called VIP lane (or free cash for Tory mates and donors as it’s also known) is coming under scrutiny again - it’s been established that the Government paid on average 80% more to their cronies than to third party suppliers.

Let’s hope that if Labour get into power there will be a full enquiry into the corruption and all those responsible are held to account.
 
L’étranger said:
I see the so called VIP lane (or free cash for Tory mates and donors as it’s also known) is coming under scrutiny again - it’s been established that the Government paid on average 80% more to their cronies than to third party suppliers.

Let’s hope that if Labour get into power there will be a full enquiry into the corruption and all those responsible are held to account.
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I love the fact that on most government tenders only 1 company applied for the contract?

So were they never put out to the wider economy to bid on? I’m sure if you take any one of those contracts that there are hundreds if not thousands of UK of overseas companies that would want to bid on the contract.

Totally nosetroughery at its finest.
 
Satriale's Pork Store said:
I really hope that Karma (with a capital K) visits this pair of conniving scumbags.

She deserves to lose her Peerage as a starter for LYING!
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Lying isn't a good reason to be stripped of a peerage, neither is embezzlement, fraud, and a host of other criminal and / or unethical activity. In fact i'd go as far as saying being a conniving scumbag is the idealised profile nowadays.
 
Chunkylad said:
I love the fact that on most government tenders only 1 company applied for the contract?

So were they never put out to the wider economy to bid on? I’m sure if you take any one of those contracts that there are hundreds if not thousands of UK of overseas companies that would want to bid on the contract.

Totally nosetroughery at its finest.
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There was a woman came on TV from Stockport. She had turned her factory over to making PPE and staff were working 24 hrs 7 days a week. At the time there was a dire shortage in the care sector. When she offered them to the NHS she was told that all suppliers need to go to tender and they couldn’t take them. She ended up selling them to France & Germany for cost price. I wonder what she feels about all this? If she’d been connected to someone in Westminster they’d have snatched her hands off at triple the price.
 
Mexboroseasider said:

Former Tory peer Michelle Mone facing criminal bribery allegation | UK news | The Guardian

Mone and husband, Douglas Barrowman, under investigation by NCA over involvement with PPE Medpro
amp.theguardian.com amp.theguardian.com

I’m sure Lost assured us this wasn’t possible so I don’t know why the NCA is wasting taxpayers’ money with this investigation.

Still it’s good to know she’s finally admitted she was involved in the company she said she had no involvement in.
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She’s apologised for not saying she was connected though so that’s ok. Just like all her mates who apologised to the Covid enquiry. Apologising when the evidence is overwhelming makes everything ok. It’s quite fashionable at the moment
 
Chunkylad said:
I love the fact that on most government tenders only 1 company applied for the contract?

So were they never put out to the wider economy to bid on? I’m sure if you take any one of those contracts that there are hundreds if not thousands of UK of overseas companies that would want to bid on the contract.

Totally nosetroughery at its finest.
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You get that you are accusing this chap of corruption, don't you: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Williams_(civil_servant)

I hate to say it, but do you have any evidence to support your claim?
 
Lost Seasider said:
You get that you are accusing this chap of corruption, don't you: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Williams_(civil_servant)

I hate to say it, but do you have any evidence to support your claim?
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I think Lost has me on ignore which means he can’t read the op. Where I pondered why he wasn’t trotting out his usual BS.

And if he has me on ignore then he won’t be able to read this reply to his post either.

Which means you can all have a lot of fun at his expense.
 
Mexboroseasider said:
I think Lost has me on ignore which means he can’t read the op. Where I pondered why he wasn’t trotting out his usual BS.

And if he has me on ignore then he won’t be able to read this reply to his post either.

Which means you can all have a lot of fun at his expense.
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Wow, well if that is true it sounds like Williams is just the ‘patsy’. Sounds pretty big and looks like Sunak was the ringleader. I guess it will all be in the next copy when it comes out?
 
Chunkylad said:
I love the fact that on most government tenders only 1 company applied for the contract?

So were they never put out to the wider economy to bid on? I’m sure if you take any one of those contracts that there are hundreds if not thousands of UK of overseas companies that would want to bid on the contract.

Totally nosetroughery at its finest.
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Welcome to NHS Tendering.
 
According to Lost it's always someone else's fault - never the people in charge. There is definitely something worth investigating here, I hope Starmer orders a full investigation with appropriate prosecutions of wrong doing uncovered.
 
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Always tangerine said:
Not really. As far as I know the lack of a competitive , fair tendering process was a govt policy at the time. Presumably he had to implement it.
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That was the fact of the situation, in the early days of the pandemic, decisions on PPE acquisition had to be made within hours, the idea that you could run a competitive tendering process in the circumstances was obvious nonsense.

The policy was correct, I believe that he implemented the policy correctly, so I have to ask you, what would you have done differently.
 
Lost Seasider said:
That was the fact of the situation, in the early days of the pandemic, decisions on PPE acquisition had to be made within hours, the idea that you could run a competitive tendering process in the circumstances was obvious nonsense.

The policy was correct, I believe that he implemented the policy correctly, so I have to ask you, what would you have done differently.
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The hole in your argument, which you repeat every time, is that firms who actually had PPE, and the supply chains to get more quickly, were left out of the discussion, in fact several contacted NHS supply and were told they already had enough, way before contracts were issued. This has all been explained at committee in the HoC, with specific evidence from the firms affected
 
traffordtang said:
There was a woman came on TV from Stockport. She had turned her factory over to making PPE and staff were working 24 hrs 7 days a week. At the time there was a dire shortage in the care sector. When she offered them to the NHS she was told that all suppliers need to go to tender and they couldn’t take them. She ended up selling them to France & Germany for cost price. I wonder what she feels about all this? If she’d been connected to someone in Westminster they’d have snatched her hands off at triple the price.
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Now, Mone(y) is a conniving bitch and she and her husband as well as those in Government who allowed this to happen should be thoroughly investigated through the legal system but as for the woman in Stockport, WTF was she doing employing all those people and making all that stuff prior to having a contract, that's just nuts.
 
Mone and husband interviewed by Kunesberg this morning.
Interesting stuff, they spend five minutes trying to explain that profits going into a trust isn't the same as profiting personally. And that because the trust is controlled by the husband, Mines children might not benefit because they could divorce - dancing on the head of a pin.
According to the couple all contracts were fulfilled. Will be interesting to see how this pans out.
 
ElBurroSinNombre said:
Mone and husband interviewed by Kunesberg this morning.
Interesting stuff, they spend five minutes trying to explain that profits going into a trust isn't the same as profiting personally. And that because the trust is controlled by the husband, Mines children might not benefit because they could divorce - dancing on the head of a pin.
According to the couple all contracts were fulfilled. Will be interesting to see how this pans out.
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saw that this morning. they just dug a bigger hole for themselves.
 
Tangerinemoss said:
The hole in your argument, which you repeat every time, is that firms who actually had PPE, and the supply chains to get more quickly, were left out of the discussion, in fact several contacted NHS supply and were told they already had enough, way before contracts were issued. This has all been explained at committee in the HoC, with specific evidence from the firms affected
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To add to that Mossy, in times of National security like the covid pandemic or in a war situation normal tendering processes are not followed and generally the government offices go to existing suppliers but in the knowledge that they will have to pay premium rates. It’s not normal to start negotiating new contracts with new suppliers for equipment that is already contracted to existing suppliers. These existing suppliers as part of their contractual arrangements will always need to be able to ramp up manufacture and supply should the need be necessary.
 
hertfordseasider said:
Now, Mone(y) is a conniving bitch and she and her husband as well as those in Government who allowed this to happen should be thoroughly investigated through the legal system but as for the woman in Stockport, WTF was she doing employing all those people and making all that stuff prior to having a contract, that's just nuts.
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At the time lots of companies were turning their factories over to making PPE. They thought they were helping, war mentality kind of thing. On the news there was constant articles about the dire lack of PPE in hospitals and in the care sector. There shouldn’t have been any need for contracts, just for someone to check their suitability because they were needed, and urgently. Which is why the government rushed through their mates contracts and Mone and partner were able to bring in a whole load of Chinese tat that we’re still paying to store. Other countries were happy to take them off her hand
 
So basically everything they earned from PPE went into two seperate trust for him and her. Her share went to him so she didn't benefit directly and all his went to hers so he didn't benefit directly. Nothing to see here, all above board and perfectly proper. I do like sarcasm on a Sunday.
 
ElBurroSinNombre said:
Mone and husband interviewed by Kunesberg this morning.
Interesting stuff, they spend five minutes trying to explain that profits going into a trust isn't the same as profiting personally. And that because the trust is controlled by the husband, Mines children might not benefit because they could divorce - dancing on the head of a pin.
According to the couple all contracts were fulfilled. Will be interesting to see how this pans out.
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Because the great British public are to thick and gullible to understand, they believe. We get treated with contempt by people like these
 
Tangerinemoss said:
The hole in your argument, which you repeat every time, is that firms who actually had PPE, and the supply chains to get more quickly, were left out of the discussion, in fact several contacted NHS supply and were told they already had enough, way before contracts were issued. This has all been explained at committee in the HoC, with specific evidence from the firms affected
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Correct . . . the PPE stock was there from companies that actually make the stuff but our corrupt government saw a money making opportunity for their mates.

For example 3M offered the government millions of face masks in Jan 2020 before the shit hit the fan but the Tories declined their help. The masks were being offered at cost.
 
I remember being amused during Covid by the government blaming Labour for stockpiling the wrong equipment…..

So ten years to replace with correct equipment not enough then?
 
Leither said:
Correct . . . the PPE stock was there from companies that actually make the stuff but our corrupt government saw a money making opportunity for their mates.

For example 3M offered the government millions of face masks in Jan 2020 before the shit hit the fan but the Tories declined their help. The masks were being offered at cost.
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Source? Do we even know if they were of a type suitable for the NHS?

In any event, the first SAGE meeting was on 22 January 2020, nobody knew what Covid was at the time, so whoever turned them down wouldn't have known how many we'd need, and I suspect that decision never made it to a minister's desk.

Finally, all procurement was handled by Civil Servants, only the Permanent Secretary has the power to approve contracts, so why do you think he would've been handing out contracts to the ministers' mates?
 
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Lost Seasider said:
Source? Do we even know if they were of a type suitable for the NHS?

In any event, the first SAGE meeting was on 22 January 2020, nobody knew what it was at the time, so whoever turned them down wouldn't have known how many we'd need, and I suspect that decision never made it to a minister's desk.

Finally, all procurement was handled by Civil Servants, only the Permanent Secretary has the power to approve contracts, so why do you think he would've been handing out contracts to the ministers' mates?
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Because he was told to, obviously.

Ministers can, and often do, override officials' concerns.

See also Home Office Perm Sec's concerns over Rwanda.
 
Lost Seasider said:
Source? Do we even know if they were of a type suitable for the NHS?

In any event, the first SAGE meeting was on 22 January 2020, nobody knew what Covid was at the time, so whoever turned them down wouldn't have known how many we'd need, and I suspect that decision never made it to a minister's desk.

Finally, all procurement was handled by Civil Servants, only the Permanent Secretary has the power to approve contracts, so why do you think he would've been handing out contracts to the ministers' mates?
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My mate is a board director at 3M and was in direct contact with the government. In Jan the government ignored the offer from 3M and even when they finally realised the issue they still didn't use them.

And yes their masks were suitable for NHS and general use.
 
Just read the text of her interview. Full of self pity. She does not get it; she thinks she is entitled. Surely there is a prosecution in there somewhere?
 
Tangerinemoss said:
The hole in your argument, which you repeat every time, is that firms who actually had PPE, and the supply chains to get more quickly, were left out of the discussion, in fact several contacted NHS supply and were told they already had enough, way before contracts were issued. This has all been explained at committee in the HoC, with specific evidence from the firms affected
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That sounds like a Civil Service screw up, with the CS not realizing how much they would need, it's not evidence of misconduct.
 
Cuthbert said:
Just read the text of her interview. Full of self pity. She does not get it; she thinks she is entitled. Surely there is a prosecution in there somewhere?
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A disgusting pair of profiteering parasites...
Hope their private jet/helicopter crashes into the Irish sea (and the pilot survives).
 
Cuthbert said:
He seems to think that this board is some sort of Crown Court when anyone with an ounce of common sense it’s a place to express opinion. If you don’t like the opinion Adair enough but being pompous is naff.
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Isn't it nice when you can back up your opinion with actual evidence, though? You know, things like the sworn testimony of the Permanent Secretary at the DHSC, reports by the NAO, other reliable evidence, things like that.

If you can't do that, and your opinion is just what you've read on here, then what value is your opinion
 
Leither said:
My mate is a board director at 3M and was in direct contact with the government. In Jan the government ignored the offer from 3M and even when they finally realised the issue they still didn't use them.

And yes their masks were suitable for NHS and general use.
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I remember at the time several companies saying they were ready to boost production of medical grade masks and they weren’t even contacted by the Gov. All makes sense now. Greed and profit over the national interests. The general public had to make do with ineffective cheap crap
 
Lost Seasider said:
The normal response in that case is for the official to request Ministerial directions, which are then published here: https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/ministerial-directions#2020, can you identify any that apply to PPE?
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Abnormal times, as you keep saying.
Cuthbert said:
Just read the text of her interview. Full of self pity. She does not get it; she thinks she is entitled. Surely there is a prosecution in there somewhere?
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Currently under investigation by the NCA
 
I thought Laura Kuenssberg did a good job in her interview, continually at the throat of the two unrepentant shysters...

Looked like Mone was going to shed some crocodile tears at one point...

And as for her fat hog of a husband, you would think he could get clothes to fit; I thought his shirt buttons were going to pop under the pressure from his fat gut.
 
Satriale's Pork Store said:
I thought Laura Kuenssberg did a good job in her interview, continually at the throat of the two unrepentant shysters...

Looked like Mone was going to shed some crocodile tears at one point...

And as for her fat hog of a husband, you would think he could get clothes to fit; I thought his shirt buttons were going to pop under the pressure from his fat gut.
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He couldn't make PPE that fitted either.
 
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