kuriousoranj
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Yes but we also beat Tranmere 15 something.As opposed to Division 4 for John Murphy and Brett?
We won trophies against some very good sides, such as Arsenal, and Jock was still prolific.
Yes but we also beat Tranmere 15 something.As opposed to Division 4 for John Murphy and Brett?
We won trophies against some very good sides, such as Arsenal, and Jock was still prolific.
To early in the season and not enough minutes played for that stat to mean very much.
We would nowYes but we also beat Tranmere 15 something.
He's Gary Madine. He's a goal machine....To early in the season and not enough minutes played for that stat to mean very much.
Just as I wouldn't be too hard on him for no goals and no assists in that time frame.
Top marks for managing to weave that stat in somewhere following the pod
It's coaching to systems from a younger age I think. Players probably have better technical skills in some ways but mavericks are less likely because they're taught to channel it in certain ways.Reading this thread has made me wonder how football has changed. I only go back to the late 60s but am i not right in thinking that, individually, players were better back then than they are now? Or am i just remembering the stand out players?
Thinking only of strikers, I think the likes of Charnley, Pickering, Walsh and Hatton were significantly better players than our current forwards, in the same division. And in those days the top division wasn't full of overseas players. Bowler is an interesting one. I think Tommy Hutch was a better player than him, and did go on to bigger things. Josh is a talent though.
England used to produce some highly talented individuals. Would Glen Hoddle happen now? Doubt it. What we have now is much better fitness and tactics, and much better playing surfaces. And good players who fit the current systems. But I'm not sure I see the same 'natural' ability levels that we saw back then.
But that might be just a distortion in my mind.
Yes. Which suggests that really talented players happen naturally rather than being coached. Which is what I was wondering. And what the 85 year old Spurs fan I chatted to recently was saying. It's more formilaic now. He doesn't bother watching now. Was a ST holder at White Hart Lane for many years. (Auto correct chose White Gary Lane then. Spooky).It's coaching to systems from a younger age I think. Players probably have better technical skills in some ways but mavericks are less likely because they're taught to channel it in certain ways.
It's kind of like Cricket. You have lots of bowlers with the same action these days cos players by and large learn the same way.
One of the things I always liked about Kaikai was that he'd not joined palace till really late so he'd still got an air of (in his own words) the improvisational street player about him.
Wes is another (considerably better) example of a player who didn't come up via a prem academy route and was thus a delight to watch.
If you're interested you should have a nosey at this book if you haven't already!Reading this thread has made me wonder how football has changed. I only go back to the late 60s but am i not right in thinking that, individually, players were better back then than they are now? Or am i just remembering the stand out players?
Thinking only of strikers, I think the likes of Charnley, Pickering, Walsh and Hatton were significantly better players than our current forwards, in the same division. And in those days the top division wasn't full of overseas players. Bowler is an interesting one. I think Tommy Hutch was a better player than him, and did go on to bigger things. Josh is a talent though.
England used to produce some highly talented individuals. Would Glen Hoddle happen now? Doubt it. What we have now is much better fitness and tactics, and much better playing surfaces. And good players who fit the current systems. But I'm not sure I see the same 'natural' ability levels that we saw back then.
But that might be just a distortion in my mind.
Great book that. I love Jonathan Wilson.If you're interested you should have a nosey at this book if you haven't already!
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I might check that out. On the Amazon page there's also a link to a book called Brilliant Orange about the development of Dutch tactics from the 60s onwards. Good reviews, I fancy that one too.If you're interested you should have a nosey at this book if you haven't already!
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Oh yeah I forgot.. we've got the goal machine!We would now