Mr Sadler - 4 shots on target in 2 games

Stupid tippy, tappy, sidewards and backwards crap. Was Pennington really a PL player? Because he doesn't know how to go forward.
Derby were inviting us to attack & we farted about!
The other results have mostly been kind to us, & with 6 winnable games to go, it's not over yet.
Request to NC the master coach - please play attacking football & coach the players to shoot at the opponents goal!
 
Burnnazzer said:
Pennington is a very good defender at this level. Can’t blame a centre half for lack of creativity. Derby were not that creative either but certainly knew how to foul to stop any momentum, especially lad who scored.
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There lies one of our problems. We don't have defenders who can pass forward. I mentioned Pennington only because not too long ago, he played in the PL under top coaches. He should know how to move forward with the ball. and find one of our midfielders / strikers.
In all honesty, no Pool player played well going forward. We could have got something from that game, had we played with tempo and attacked Derby.
 
tangysider said:
Never promised clinical finishing. Derby scored from less than a half chance, we had far better chances through the game
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Thought in the first half they looked like they would score going forward and we wouldn't. They also had the scramble on the line when Grimshaw flapped when the ball came on top of him.
 
FY4MIKEH said:
For a clever guy financially, Sadler hasn't acted very clever.
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We know that keeping a manager for longer than one season is statistically the correct thing to do if you want success. So in that manner Sadler is clever. He ignores the noise from trigger happy supporters.

Also we saw so many people saying they wouldn’t have an ST if Critch returned. Again this didn’t turn out to be true. We’ve retained the majority of ST holders despite relegation. Now we have the same again - everyone saying they won’t renew if he is manager.

So if you’re Sadler (a numbers man) you know that keeping faith in a manager pays off in the long term. You also know that fans stamp their feet and show frustration but still keep going to games. Why would you go against stats? Why would you bet against the house?

He’s a sharp cookie. He will follow the numbers. If we had finished 18th this season then I think he’d have pulled the trigger. We will likely finish top 10. That’ll be enough for him to ‘trust the process’ whether we like it or not.
 
585 = never give up said:
Stupid tippy, tappy, sidewards and backwards crap. Was Pennington really a PL player? Because he doesn't know how to go forward.
Derby were inviting us to attack & we farted about!
The other results have mostly been kind to us, & with 6 winnable games to go, it's not over yet.
Request to NC the master coach - please play attacking football & coach the players to shoot at the opponents goal!
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Give the players some breathing space to use their initiative. They look frightened to do anything daring.
 
Chunkylad said:
We know that keeping a manager for longer than one season is statistically the correct thing to do if you want success. So in that manner Sadler is clever. He ignores the noise from trigger happy supporters.

Also we saw so many people saying they wouldn’t have an ST if Critch returned. Again this didn’t turn out to be true. We’ve retained the majority of ST holders despite relegation. Now we have the same again - everyone saying they won’t renew if he is manager.

So if you’re Sadler (a numbers man) you know that keeping faith in a manager pays off in the long term. You also know that fans stamp their feet and show frustration but still keep going to games. Why would you go against stats? Why would you bet against the house?

He’s a sharp cookie. He will follow the numbers. If we had finished 18th this season then I think he’d have pulled the trigger. We will likely finish top 10. That’ll be enough for him to ‘trust the process’ whether we like it or not.
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You can tie down managers without committing yourself. Oystons were a master of it with contract extensions in the clubs favour. History told Sadler this appointment wouldn’t work. I'm going to start calling him Marty Mcfly as he likes going back in time. I bet.the Doc could get better results
 
Ye Gods....think back to Ollie's day: scragging a home win against Watford in the last minute by throwing everything at them. Unleashing Ince and Phillips down the wings against Cardiff away. We've been spoiled.
 
Wespens said:
Did we really? Wasn’t there but the highlights I’ve seen didn’t reflect this?
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Their goal was out of nothing, a decent defensive header bounced kindly for him and he took full advantage.
I think we had 4 good chances but failed to hit the target.
If we upped the tempo in our build up play I am sure we would have more success, too many players take the safe option.
 
Cuthbert said:
Thought in the first half they looked like they would score going forward and we wouldn't. They also had the scramble on the line when Grimshaw flapped when the ball came on top of him.
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Grimshaw flap at a ball in the air - I don't believe it.
 
tangysider said:
Their goal was out of nothing, a decent defensive header bounced kindly for him and he took full advantage.
I think we had 4 good chances but failed to hit the target.
If we upped the tempo in our build up play I am sure we would have more success, too many players take the safe option.
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Yep. We need to press the fast forward button. Stuck in slow motion at present.
 
Chunkylad said:
We know that keeping a manager for longer than one season is statistically the correct thing to do if you want success. So in that manner Sadler is clever. He ignores the noise from trigger happy supporters.

Also we saw so many people saying they wouldn’t have an ST if Critch returned. Again this didn’t turn out to be true. We’ve retained the majority of ST holders despite relegation. Now we have the same again - everyone saying they won’t renew if he is manager.

So if you’re Sadler (a numbers man) you know that keeping faith in a manager pays off in the long term. You also know that fans stamp their feet and show frustration but still keep going to games. Why would you go against stats? Why would you bet against the house?

He’s a sharp cookie. He will follow the numbers. If we had finished 18th this season then I think he’d have pulled the trigger. We will likely finish top 10. That’ll be enough for him to ‘trust the process’ whether we like it or not.
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Chunkylad said:
We know that keeping a manager for longer than one season is statistically the correct thing to do if you want success. So in that manner Sadler is clever. He ignores the noise from trigger happy supporters.

Also we saw so many people saying they wouldn’t have an ST if Critch returned. Again this didn’t turn out to be true. We’ve retained the majority of ST holders despite relegation. Now we have the same again - everyone saying they won’t renew if he is manager.

So if you’re Sadler (a numbers man) you know that keeping faith in a manager pays off in the long term. You also know that fans stamp their feet and show frustration but still keep going to games. Why would you go against stats? Why would you bet against the house?

He’s a sharp cookie. He will follow the numbers. If we had finished 18th this season then I think he’d have pulled the trigger. We will likely finish top 10. That’ll be enough for him to ‘trust the process’ whether we like it or not.
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thousands of tickets were purchased before the appointment of critch,if he’s still at the wheel in the summer,season ticket sales will dip.
 
Problem is the people around him up top… the structure and system is a million times better than it was, but are they holding things and people to account, or are they all having chats over sparkling water about the project, stability and possession stats?

It really needs the DoF, CEO et al to be saying ‘you’re not performing pal’ and to SS that he may want to look at the alternatives. I just don’t think that is happening. It all feels a tad cozy.
 
Burnnazzer said:
Pennington is a very good defender at this level. Can’t blame a centre half for lack of creativity. Derby were not that creative either but certainly knew how to foul to stop any momentum, especially lad who scored.
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Adams- how on earth wasn’t he booked!
Ref didn’t seem to want to book their players but was quick to book ours for lesser foul play
The standard of refereeing is poor both in the Championship and lower leagues
 
Chunkylad said:
We know that keeping a manager for longer than one season is statistically the correct thing to do if you want success. So in that manner Sadler is clever. He ignores the noise from trigger happy supporters.

Also we saw so many people saying they wouldn’t have an ST if Critch returned. Again this didn’t turn out to be true. We’ve retained the majority of ST holders despite relegation. Now we have the same again - everyone saying they won’t renew if he is manager.

So if you’re Sadler (a numbers man) you know that keeping faith in a manager pays off in the long term. You also know that fans stamp their feet and show frustration but still keep going to games. Why would you go against stats? Why would you bet against the house?

He’s a sharp cookie. He will follow the numbers. If we had finished 18th this season then I think he’d have pulled the trigger. We will likely finish top 10. That’ll be enough for him to ‘trust the process’ whether we like it or not.
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Sticking with can work, but you surely have to show signs of a plan, of improvement.

Have we seriously shown any meaningful improvement from the opening game for example?

Are we building towards something, a style that we can see is promisong but just needs a bit more work?

If not then is it right to blindly keep him?
 
Chunkylad said:
We know that keeping a manager for longer than one season is statistically the correct thing to do if you want success. So in that manner Sadler is clever. He ignores the noise from trigger happy supporters.

Also we saw so many people saying they wouldn’t have an ST if Critch returned. Again this didn’t turn out to be true. We’ve retained the majority of ST holders despite relegation. Now we have the same again - everyone saying they won’t renew if he is manager.

So if you’re Sadler (a numbers man) you know that keeping faith in a manager pays off in the long term. You also know that fans stamp their feet and show frustration but still keep going to games. Why would you go against stats? Why would you bet against the house?

He’s a sharp cookie. He will follow the numbers. If we had finished 18th this season then I think he’d have pulled the trigger. We will likely finish top 10. That’ll be enough for him to ‘trust the process’ whether we like it or not.
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The only manager to last longer than a season under Sadler is Critchley first time around.

I think in football everything can't be done from a purely robotic, analytical perspective when you're trying to sell it to humans. We are emotional, often irrational beings - especially when it comes to sport. You can't ignore the human element of football, it is integral.

You can't just say "well statistically sticking with Critchley for another season means we have a higher percentage of x, y and z" because if on top of a disappointing season he isn't providing entertainment, isn't inspiring adoration for himself or the players and in turn quelling the atmosphere in the ground (the kinda things stats can't quantify), people will stop turning up.

You can't keep appointing managers that you know the fans don't like and expect them to fall in line, turn up and put their money in when it isn't yielding results.

As much as you say people still turned up this season after empty threats, I don't think those threats will be empty this time around. It'd be madness to pot him now, but if we don't go up needs he to go IMO. The club needs an injection of fresh blood, something that should have happened after last season.
 
I'd be amazed if SS and his bods weren't exploring other options.

He won't pot him though, but I can smell a mutual consent in the air come season end.
 
TangerinePeel said:
The only manager to last longer than a season under Sadler is Critchley first time around.

I think in football everything can't be done from a purely robotic, analytical perspective when you're trying to sell it to humans. We are emotional, often irrational beings - especially when it comes to sport. You can't ignore the human element of football, it is integral.

You can't just say "well statistically sticking with Critchley for another season means we have a higher percentage of x, y and z" because if on top of a disappointing season he isn't providing entertainment, isn't inspiring adoration for himself or the players and in turn quelling the atmosphere in the ground (the kinda things stats can't quantify), people will stop turning up.

You can't keep appointing managers that you know the fans don't like and expect them to fall in line, turn up and put their money in when it isn't yielding results.

As much as you say people still turned up this season after empty threats, I don't think those threats will be empty this time around. It'd be madness to pot him now, but if we don't go up needs he to go IMO. The club needs an injection of fresh blood, something that should have happened after last season.
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You win games it's automatically entertaining to some degree. However, for me it's a case of how far have we progressed along a/the path as the season unfolded and what would that indicate for next season.

It doesn't bode well.
 
TangerinePeel said:
The only manager to last longer than a season under Sadler is Critchley first time around.

I think in football everything can't be done from a purely robotic, analytical perspective when you're trying to sell it to humans. We are emotional, often irrational beings - especially when it comes to sport. You can't ignore the human element of football, it is integral.

You can't just say "well statistically sticking with Critchley for another season means we have a higher percentage of x, y and z" because if on top of a disappointing season he isn't providing entertainment, isn't inspiring adoration for himself or the players and in turn quelling the atmosphere in the ground (the kinda things stats can't quantify), people will stop turning up.

You can't keep appointing managers that you know the fans don't like and expect them to fall in line, turn up and put their money in when it isn't yielding results.

As much as you say people still turned up this season after empty threats, I don't think those threats will be empty this time around. It'd be madness to pot him now, but if we don't go up needs he to go IMO. The club needs an injection of fresh blood, something that should have happened after last season.
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Good post
 
Arriedirk said:
thousands of tickets were purchased before the appointment of critch,if he’s still at the wheel in the summer,season ticket sales will dip.
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You’re probably correct on that one?

It’ll be interesting to see come the summer if Critchley is still in charge, just how many less STs we sell?
 
JJpool said:
Sticking with can work, but you surely have to show signs of a plan, of improvement.

Have we seriously shown any meaningful improvement from the opening game for example?

Are we building towards something, a style that we can see is promisong but just needs a bit more work?

If not then is it right to blindly keep him?
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I don’t feel like we’ve improved this season as a team, although we didn’t get relegated so at least that’s a plus….

We don’t know as fans what is happening behind the scenes nor what expectations are for the season. SS might have been just happy to consolidate for a season and steady the ship and move out the high wage earners - basically a refresh?

We were expecting promotion- they were expecting top 10? Who knows?
 
FY16JJ said:
Had he have sent out an attacking side we might have had a chance!
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This is what I don’t get. At this stage of the season, when we’re chasing rather than being chased there is nothing to gain by being cautious and potentially everything to gain from giving it a good go. If we don’t succeed at least go out fighting.
 
TangerinePeel said:
The only manager to last longer than a season under Sadler is Critchley first time around.

I think in football everything can't be done from a purely robotic, analytical perspective when you're trying to sell it to humans. We are emotional, often irrational beings - especially when it comes to sport. You can't ignore the human element of football, it is integral.

You can't just say "well statistically sticking with Critchley for another season means we have a higher percentage of x, y and z" because if on top of a disappointing season he isn't providing entertainment, isn't inspiring adoration for himself or the players and in turn quelling the atmosphere in the ground (the kinda things stats can't quantify), people will stop turning up.

You can't keep appointing managers that you know the fans don't like and expect them to fall in line, turn up and put their money in when it isn't yielding results.

As much as you say people still turned up this season after empty threats, I don't think those threats will be empty this time around. It'd be madness to pot him now, but if we don't go up needs he to go IMO. The club needs an injection of fresh blood, something that should have happened after last season.
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Very well said ☝
 
Chunkylad said:
I don’t feel like we’ve improved this season as a team, although we didn’t get relegated so at least that’s a plus….

We don’t know as fans what is happening behind the scenes nor what expectations are for the season. SS might have been just happy to consolidate for a season and steady the ship and move out the high wage earners - basically a refresh?

We were expecting promotion- they were expecting top 10? Who knows?
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The CEO said play offs/promotion
 
Chunkylad said:
I don’t feel like we’ve improved this season as a team, although we didn’t get relegated so at least that’s a plus….

We don’t know as fans what is happening behind the scenes nor what expectations are for the season. SS might have been just happy to consolidate for a season and steady the ship and move out the high wage earners - basically a refresh?

We were expecting promotion- they were expecting top 10? Who knows?
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Promotion was the publicly stated goal, I'd imagine if we missed out via the playoffs then that's acceptable, even though we're amazing at them.

If we were to just slide away and not make it, particularly showing little signs of improvement then whoknows, as fans won't be happy and because it's NC where he had to prove himself again over someone new, he was always going to be under a bit more pressure.
 
Fair enough. Then he might pot Critch at the end of the season if that was the clear goal.

Get Dobbie as manager, Charlie, Chris Beech & Gary Bowyer as his assistants.
Apter back in the first team.

Should get record ST sales and pool going up 👍

(I’ve sorted it so we can all be friends)
 
JJpool said:
Promotion was the publicly stated goal, I'd imagine if we missed out via the playoffs then that's acceptable, even though we're amazing at them.

If we were to just slide away and not make it, particularly showing little signs of improvement then whoknows, as fans won't be happy and because it's NC where he had to prove himself again over someone new, he was always going to be under a bit more pressure.
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Well they would say that wouldn't they? They are hardly going to say we are happy with mid table obscurity whilst playing dull, boring, sideways football and once we go one down in a match we are happy to lose 1-0.
 
Notathome said:
Well they would say that wouldn't they? They are hardly going to say we are happy with mid table obscurity whilst playing dull, boring, sideways football and once we go one down in a match we are happy to lose 1-0.
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Yes but that's the clear goal, they said it and the players said it too.

It's obviously what is wanted and as quickly as possible.
 
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