Napoleon mark 2 at it again.

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Nothing is negotiable’: Macron threatens to veto any changes to Brexit deal. I wonder how he would react if France was unable to export its goods to Corsica? At the same time, he is now warning that during the French turn in the chair (2022) all communications will be in French and expects French to be used as the language of the EU from then on. N.B more people around the world speak Spanish than French and English is the international language for Business.

Meanwhile elsewhere Germany is being taken to court by the EU as they have allegedly broken one of the rules regarding who's law should be used. Poland and Hungary are also in court on a section 7 charge, which could result in them losing their votes in the EU, whilst Poland has been further charged with inequality by allowing judges to retire at 65 whilst female judges retire at 60.

We are paying the French millions to help prevent boat people from crossing the channel, yet more and more are coming daily, around 1,000 a week now.

What amuses me is that we refer to them as our friends across the channel. Some friends!
 
Curryman said:
We are paying the French millions to help prevent boat people from crossing the channel, yet more and more are coming daily, around 1,000 a week now.

What amuses me is that we refer to them as our friends across the channel. Some friends!
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We are paying for the boats the French are giving them!
 
Agree 100 % with you Curryman , they are supposed to be our friends but are continually hostile. Macron is weak and stupid. He plays his games with us but ignores his real enemies, his real dangers such as Marine Le pen.
 
Curryman said:
Nothing is negotiable’: Macron threatens to veto any changes to Brexit deal. I wonder how he would react if France was unable to export its goods to Corsica?
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I assume Macron is talking about `sausagegate`?

I imagine that Macron`s point of view may be that when the British government signed up to Brexit they would have scrutinised it line by line, and should have completely understood what they were signing up for.

And here`s the Govester talking authoritatively about sausages last year - the important bit is at 2.00...


Looks like he either didn`t understand what Britain had signed up for or he was telling porkies!🐷

You decide...
 
They talk about having to check the contents of mince and sausages to ensure they come up to eu standards. Yeh, right.

These were the people who provided mince with horse meat in it, Donkey meet in Salami and have worse standards of checking in their abbatoires thant we Brits do. You couldn't make it up.
 
Curryman said:
They talk about having to check the contents of mince and sausages to ensure they come up to eu standards. Yeh, right.

These were the people who provided mince with horse meat in it, Donkey meet in Salami and have worse standards of checking in their abbatoires thant we Brits do. You couldn't make it up.
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Don`t forget we had British Mad Cow Disease and our beef was rightly banned in the EU. Let`s not be too selective, we have had our problems too.

Anyway do you think Mr Gove was lying to the public, or just incompetent and not across the facts?

He was adamant that there would be no sausage problems, yet it appears he was mistaken.

Who can you trust, eh?
 
Curryman said:
They talk about having to check the contents of mince and sausages to ensure they come up to eu standards. Yeh, right.

These were the people who provided mince with horse meat in it, Donkey meet in Salami and have worse standards of checking in their abbatoires thant we Brits do. You couldn't make it up.
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The British Government signed the NI Protocol. It chose to do so. Britain had a reputation of upholding international agreements. It seems that it now wants to renege on the Protocol either in part or whole. Britain is trashing its own reputation.

All this shite about whether Macron is Napoleon Mk 2 is just distracting twaddle.
 
Tell the people of NI it is distracting twaddle. For a leader of a country to say what Macron has said is not particularly helpful. All agreements, if found unworkable should be reviewed.

As for Mad Cow Disease, I understand that it was infected fodder that caused this disease, such as the type used in Spain, who also had problems, however let's not forget it was 35 years ago. We could always go back to the humbug poisonings in Bradford I suppose though. They were mid 1800's.
 
Curryman said:
Nothing is negotiable’: Macron threatens to veto any changes to Brexit deal. I wonder how he would react if France was unable to export its goods to Corsica? At the same time, he is now warning that during the French turn in the chair (2022) all communications will be in French and expects French to be used as the language of the EU from then on. N.B more people around the world speak Spanish than French and English is the international language for Business.

Meanwhile elsewhere Germany is being taken to court by the EU as they have allegedly broken one of the rules regarding who's law should be used. Poland and Hungary are also in court on a section 7 charge, which could result in them losing their votes in the EU, whilst Poland has been further charged with inequality by allowing judges to retire at 65 whilst female judges retire at 60.

We are paying the French millions to help prevent boat people from crossing the channel, yet more and more are coming daily, around 1,000 a week now.

What amuses me is that we refer to them as our friends across the channel. Some friends!
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The mans bitter and twisted.
 
Curryman said:
Tell the people of NI it is distracting twaddle. For a leader of a country to say what Macron has said is not particularly helpful. All agreements, if found unworkable should be reviewed.

As for Mad Cow Disease, I understand that it was infected fodder that caused this disease, such as the type used in Spain, who also had problems, however let's not forget it was 35 years ago. We could always go back to the humbug poisonings in Bradford I suppose though. They were mid 1800's.
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I don’t think NI, and the potential problems a leave vote would make, were considered by the UK at the time of the referendum. We have created the problem and the EU are trying to abide to the letter of the agreement - they don’t trust this current Government.
 
SomersetSeasider said:
I don’t think NI, and the potential problems a leave vote would make, were considered by the UK at the time of the referendum. We have created the problem and the EU are trying to abide to the letter of the agreement - they don’t trust this current Government.
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No, the UK didn't anticipate the lengths the EU would go to in enforcing unnecessary checks on goods moving from the UK to Northern Ireland. That's mainly because the EU is insisting on three times more checks on goods crossing the Irish Sea than on the total of non-EU goods entering Rotterdam even though the former is only 6% of the latter.
 
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How dare those frog bastards try and enforce the oven ready deal. We only signed it but so what? Those garlic munching pricks can do one and don't get me started on those kraut goose steppers they think they run the show, forgetting all about 2 World wars and one world Cup. Come on England. And jocks can suck my plumbs.
 
Don't forget this is the man who is complaining about the fishing rights of his fishermen and wants to change the whole thing so they get more fish, who has managed to persuade the EU to take part of Ireland's fishing rights away from them to further increase his own catch, who backed his fishermen for blockading the Jersey Ports, whose Gov't has threatened to cut the electricity to the Channel Islands, who wanted us to help bail out the Chunnel, which they own, and the Euro Star which again is mainly owned by a French Company with a little bit being owned by a Belgian company. But we said no. He is, in my opinion, a grade one wanker. The problem is, with him and Von Liar there can be little or no negotiation.
 
spudgun said:
Don`t forget we had British Mad Cow Disease and our beef was rightly banned in the EU. Let`s not be too selective, we have had our problems too.

Anyway do you think Mr Gove was lying to the public, or just incompetent and not across the facts?

He was adamant that there would be no sausage problems, yet it appears he was mistaken.

Who can you trust, eh?
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Well, I spoke to a guy yesterday who was a farmer, and he was adamant that mad cow disease was fake news and that the reason was that there were twice as many cows in the U.K. as were needed.
 
Macron is an utter man child trying to prove how big and strong he is at any opportunity. He should study Biden’s approach to how humility and power go hand in hand.
 
tangerinenotorange said:
No, the UK didn't anticipate the lengths the EU would go to in enforcing unnecessary checks on goods moving from the UK to Northern Ireland. That's mainly because the EU is insisting on three times more checks on goods crossing the Irish Sea than on the total of non-EU goods entering Rotterdam even though the former is only 6% of the latter.
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May be that’s because it’s the only land border between the EU and UK!
 
Shandypants said:
How dare those frog bastards try and enforce the oven ready deal. We only signed it but so what? Those garlic munching pricks can do one and don't get me started on those kraut goose steppers they think they run the show, forgetting all about 2 World wars and one world Cup. Come on England. And jocks can suck my plumbs.
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You really are disturbed.
 
Curryman said:
Don't forget this is the man who is complaining about the fishing rights of his fishermen and wants to change the whole thing so they get more fish, who has managed to persuade the EU to take part of Ireland's fishing rights away from them to further increase his own catch, who backed his fishermen for blockading the Jersey Ports, whose Gov't has threatened to cut the electricity to the Channel Islands, who wanted us to help bail out the Chunnel, which they own, and the Euro Star which again is mainly owned by a French Company with a little bit being owned by a Belgian company. But we said no. He is, in my opinion, a grade one wanker. The problem is, with him and Von Liar there can be little or no negotiation.
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Von liar. Correct, those eu types are a joke, our PM and cabinet are fine outstanding individuals who have impeccable morals. Loveable Boris leads by perfect example, I'm so glad I've turned right wing it's ace.
 
tangerinenotorange said:
No, the UK didn't anticipate the lengths the EU would go to in enforcing unnecessary checks on goods moving from the UK to Northern Ireland. That's mainly because the EU is insisting on three times more checks on goods crossing the Irish Sea than on the total of non-EU goods entering Rotterdam even though the former is only 6% of the latter.
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SomersetSeasider said:
May be that’s because it’s the only land border between the EU and UK!
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The Irish sea isn't a land border, but even if it were, that doesn't justify checks that are effectively 50 times more strict than at the EU's main point of import.
 
tangerinenotorange said:
No, the UK didn't anticipate the lengths the EU would go to in enforcing unnecessary checks on goods moving from the UK to Northern Ireland. That's mainly because the EU is insisting on three times more checks on goods crossing the Irish Sea than on the total of non-EU goods entering Rotterdam even though the former is only 6% of the latter.
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Here's another stat. The EU wants 20% of checks on goods entering all EU borders to be carried out on goods brought into Northern Ireland from Great Britain. If that's not unnecessary and provocative I don't know what is. NI is nothing at all to do with Macron of course, but he just likes to stick his big Gallic nose where it's not wanted.
 
tangerinenotorange said:
The Irish sea isn't a land border, but even if it were, that doesn't justify checks that are effectively 50 times more strict than at the EU's main point of import.
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The land border between Southern Ireland and Northern Ireland is a land border between the EU and UK hence the special border arrangements!
 
Tangojoe said:
Here's another stat. The EU wants 20% of checks on goods entering all EU borders to be carried out on goods brought into Northern Ireland from Great Britain. If that's not unnecessary and provocative I don't know what is. NI is nothing at all to do with Macron of course, but he just likes to stick his big Gallic nose where it's not wanted.
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He’s an EU leader, so why shouldn’t he have his say!!
 
SomersetSeasider said:
The land border between Southern Ireland and Northern Ireland is a land border between the EU and UK hence the special border arrangements!
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I think you must have missed the UK's agreement with the EU. For trade purposes there is no land border on the island of Ireland. That's why you can move between the North and the Republic without customs checks.

SomersetSeasider said:
He’s an EU leader, so why shouldn’t he have his say!!
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He's President of France and nothing to do with the EU despite his deluded belief that he is Emperor of Europe.
 
Tangojoe said:
I think you must have missed the UK's agreement with the EU. For trade purposes there is no land border on the island of Ireland. That's why you can move between the North and the Republic without customs checks.



He's President of France and nothing to do with the EU despite his deluded belief that he is Emperor of Europe.
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They’ve moved the border into the Irish Sea, hence the checks between the mainland UK and Northern Ireland. This is driven by a land border that exists between the EU and UK in Ireland. They want to keep the free flow of goods etc between NI and Southern Ireland without restriction, but not mainland UK, hence moving the border to the Irish Sea. A border exists!!!
 
SomersetSeasider said:
The land border between Southern Ireland and Northern Ireland is a land border between the EU and UK hence the special border arrangements!
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SomersetSeasider said:
They’ve moved the border into the Irish Sea, hence the checks between the mainland UK and Northern Ireland. This is driven by a land border that exists between the EU and UK in Ireland. They want to keep the free flow of goods etc between NI and Southern Ireland without restriction, but not mainland UK, hence moving the border to the Irish Sea. A border exists!!!
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Looks like you've got it now. There's no trade land border on the island, no customs checks between the north and the south, no checks on movement of goods or people between the two, no hard border.

You say 'they' want to keep the free flow of goods. If you mean the EU wants it, that's clearly not the case. The EU wants to block the movement of goods between the two, which is the whole point of the dispute and the reason why the EU wants customs checks that, as TNO rightly says, are up to 50 times stricter than at other EU borders.
 
Tangojoe said:
Looks like you've got it now. There's no trade land border on the island, no customs checks between the north and the south, no checks on movement of goods or people between the two, no hard border.

You say 'they' want to keep the free flow of goods. If you mean the EU wants it, that's clearly not the case. The EU wants to block the movement of goods between the two, which is the whole point of the dispute and the reason why the EU wants customs checks that, as TNO rightly says, are up to 50 times stricter than at other EU borders.
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And as I’ve said before, this is driven by the agreement negotiated between the two sides. The Tories were were always going to blame the EU when things didn’t work as they expected. The EU don’t trust the British government and so entrenched views exist on both sides. I don’t believe it’s all the EU’s fault as some suggest.
 
SomersetSeasider said:
And as I’ve said before, this is driven by the agreement negotiated between the two sides. The Tories were were always going to blame the EU when things didn’t work as they expected. The EU don’t trust the British government and so entrenched views exist on both sides. I don’t believe it’s all the EU’s fault as some suggest.
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There is blame on both sides SS I agree, however, for such an intransigent prick as the New Napoleon to state that there will be no negotiation, with his reputation, is lighting a fire beneath any meaningful discussions that may or may not take place. Unfortunately, the EU has a track record of intransigence, as was seen when Greece was in trouble and sought help. They got little or no help but were basically sold off to the highest bidders. The Swiss have been negotiating with the EU for seven years and have now given up, it will be interesting to watch developments in this story. A number of British Prime Ministers have previously been at fault, by cow-towing to the EU, Major signed the Maastricht Treaty, after fiddling the result of a vote in the house, Brown went through the back door to sign the Lisbon Treaty after saying he wouldn't, and others have been turned down blank when looking for even the slightest changes to be put forward to the EU. Oh, and to put your mind at rest, I'm no right-winger, or for that fact left-winger. I see good and bad on both sides of the fence whilst I sit on it.
 
On the news this morning they were saying that the Eu imposes three times as many checks on goods from U.K. to N. I and on into Ireland than it does for goods in and out of Rotterdam. Many of those goods come from countries outside the Eu, so it does look like double standards.
 
Matesrates said:
On the news this morning they were saying that the Eu imposes three times as many checks on goods from U.K. to N. I and on into Ireland than it does for goods in and out of Rotterdam. Many of those goods come from countries outside the Eu, so it does look like double standards.
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Perhaps they don't trust the UK govt, which seems a bit harsh. They only lie on the odd occasion and trying to rip up a deal that you've already signed is standard stuff.
 
One thing I don’t really understand is why the physical infrastructure for customs checks has to be based in Larne or other points of entry into NI?

Why can’t they be based in GB (England, Scotland or Wales) at the point of exit?

That’d be less likely to wind up the Unionists in NI - out of sight; out of mind and all that.
 
I might be wrong but it looked to me like the Red Arrows spelled out Fukc off Macron in smoke during their fly past tonight. Did anyone else notice that?
 
Tangojoe said:
Looks like you've got it now. There's no trade land border on the island, no customs checks between the north and the south, no checks on movement of goods or people between the two, no hard border.

You say 'they' want to keep the free flow of goods. If you mean the EU wants it, that's clearly not the case. The EU wants to block the movement of goods between the two, which is the whole point of the dispute and the reason why the EU wants customs checks that, as TNO rightly says, are up to 50 times stricter than at other EU borders.
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There are no border checks in much of mainland Europe because of the Schengen agreement, nothing to do with the scrutiny here. We refused to sign up to the Schengen agreement when we were in the EU.
 
Tangojoe said:
I might be wrong but it looked to me like the Red Arrows spelled out Fukc off Macron in smoke during their fly past tonight. Did anyone else notice that?
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Nope. Didn’t see that.

I did however notice that one of the Red Arrow Pilots was awarded an MBE.

According to some on here these awards have just become ridiculous.

Frankly if you can’t get behind Our Great Monarch and support her decisions then you might as well be living in…..somewhere foreign
 
Tangojoe said:
Looks like you've got it now. There's no trade land border on the island, no customs checks between the north and the south, no checks on movement of goods or people between the two, no hard border.
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Wizaard said:
There are no border checks in much of mainland Europe because of the Schengen agreement, nothing to do with the scrutiny here. We refused to sign up to the Schengen agreement when we were in the EU.
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Schengen Schmengen. There are no border checks in Ireland because it would trigger another civil war
 
Tangojoe said:
Schengen Schmengen. There are no border checks because it would trigger another civil war in Northern Ireland
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You could have your border checks in GB rather than NI. So England, Scotland and Wales. Then the Unionists wouldn’t notice. And they could still source their sausages and chilled meats from the Republic. But not realise.

Let’s face it - a sausage is a sausage. They aren’t worth dying over.
 
I really don’t like Macron, he comes across as slimy, smarmy and clearly doesn’t like the English. He’s now embarrassingly slobbering all over Biden.
 
Mexboroseasider said:
You could have your border checks in GB rather than NI. So England, Scotland and Wales. Then the Unionists wouldn’t notice. And they could still source their sausages and chilled meats from the Republic. But not realise.

Let’s face it - a sausage is a sausage. They aren’t worth dying over.
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It would be better to have border checks in the Irish Republic seeing as how it's the EU that insists on them.
 
Tangojoe said:
It would be better to have border checks in the Irish Republic seeing as how it's the EU that insists on them.
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Just to recap.

That would have been in breach of the GFA.

Which meant a border in the Irish Sea or “something else” were the only options.

Theresa May took the position that no British PM could agree to an internal border within the U.K. - hence her “something else” ie the backstop. Boris and others sabotaged that and then agreed to the one thing that no British PM could ever agree to - an internal border within the U.K.

We’re now in a mess because Boris was desperate to “Get Brexit Done” and caved in to the EU thinking he could then wriggle his way out of it. We’re now in the wriggling stage.

Puff, pant and wave the flag as much as you like…but that’s what happened and this is where we are at.

The choices now are:

1. Surrender to the EU once again over the NI Protocol and pretend it’s a big victory. OR.
2. Take on the EU in a trade war and wave cheerio to a trade deal with the USA.

I suspect we’ll end up with 1 accompanied by lots of noise, bells and whistles in an attempt to hide what’s actually happening.
 
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