New east stand.. how

TangerineArmy

TangerineArmy

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So let's say back Henry Street gets flattened and pool can complete the stadium... can only dream

As long as we stay in the championship how the hell would they do this?

Yes start at soon as a season ends but what would they do at the start of the following season, have no away fans? If building a proper stand with lovely facilities this would surely take 6 months or longer?

Just curious what the hell we would do..
 
TangerineArmy said:
So let's say back Henry Street gets flattened and pool can complete the stadium... can only dream

As long as we stay in the championship how the hell would they do this?

Yes start at soon as a season ends but what would they do at the start of the following season, have no away fans? If building a proper stand with lovely facilities this would surely take 6 months or longer?

Just curious what the hell we would do..
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Quite simple, away fans would get 1500 seats in the South, leaving ~10K for home supporters. Then the East could be dismantled, along with any other clearance of buildings behind it. Then it would be all systems go. There is no way it is happening that quickly though, I would hope the Training Ground will be confirmed and under way this year, with it being ready for the summer of 2023. Once that is done and depending on which division we are in, then and only then would any new stand be on the agenda.
 
It is possible to build a second tier behind it whilst keeping the stand useable for the large part of building works, or just start from scratch and have it all come through the same, we’d then just have to manage with a reduced capacity for a season or so. There’s a lot to think about plus as you say all the properties behind.
 
This summer would be ideal with the season being paused for the World Cup as well, but obviously not going to happen. We ke getting told the training ground announcement is imminent, but it’s gone quiet again. There must be some problems somewhere.
 
tangerinetomo said:
It is possible to build a second tier behind it whilst keeping the stand useable for the large part of building works, or just start from scratch and have it all come through the same, we’d then just have to manage with a reduced capacity for a season or so. There’s a lot to think about plus as you say all the properties behind.
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Or alternatively, they could have just said said any unvaccinated people (other than Australian citizens) are not allowed in, whoever they are.
 
Interesting points made here. We would probably get away with circa 11k in Championship or (hopefully not) lower. But what if we got promoted to the Prem? Would be embarrassing wouldn't it? I know we could ground share with PKE!!!!!!!
 
So seems there is some options.

I've always thought couldn't we, when confirmed were starting, make a start on ground works in the ne corner and maybe switch the last game around so its played sooner and were away last game.

Then we could start on the ne corner, over the summer this should be easily doable.

Then once you have that in place given it should increase in height to meet the taller east rows it should hold about 1k.

Then to save capacity the following off season again with some switch games if needed you either do the east all at once or maybe half each time.

Could do the north east first then next season finish it off, should be doable.

The east should be a similar height roof but supports from the back so the seats can go all the way to near the top and hold probably 35 rows (our north is 24).

Probably hold nearly 7.5k + 1k in the corner.

Bring total capacity to about 20k.

Away fans can have aprox 3.5k section plus the se corner so 4k if needed.

The north adds the bigger corner and norht east next to it and becomes eventually one mega section of ridiculously loud fans.
 
At some point we're going to just have to bite the bullet and suffer a significantly reduced capacity for at least a season, possibly a little bit more. I suspect during this time the away allocation will be severely reduced, possibly to less than 1,000. So prepare yourselves for getting less than 1,000 tickets at Deepdale, due to their limited cranial capacities that denies them the ability to understand the circumstances around it. They might have to start planning their celebrations now.

I hope when it's done it gives us the capacity to offer at least 5k to away fans. Especially now we're in the championship, we're missing out on so much revenue. There must be at least 10 clubs if not more that would sell that many.
 
Murciaseasider said:
Interesting points made here. We would probably get away with circa 11k in Championship or (hopefully not) lower. But what if we got promoted to the Prem? Would be embarrassing wouldn't it? I know we could ground share with PKE!!!!!!!
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Oh for that problem!
 
Whatever they do with the east i just hope there is some imagination in the design of it. Our ground looks really plain given the current stands were built on the cheap by them lot that used to own the club.
 
Just to note: it was always on the cards that the TG and East stand builds would take place in parallel. One project will not have to wait for the other project to finish.
 
BFC_53 said:
At some point we're going to just have to bite the bullet and suffer a significantly reduced capacity for at least a season, possibly a little bit more. I suspect during this time the away allocation will be severely reduced, possibly to less than 1,000. So prepare yourselves for getting less than 1,000 tickets at Deepdale, due to their limited cranial capacities that denies them the ability to understand the circumstances around it. They might have to start planning their celebrations now.

I hope when it's done it gives us the capacity to offer at least 5k to away fans. Especially now we're in the championship, we're missing out on so much revenue. There must be at least 10 clubs if not more that would sell that many.
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You've got to bear in mind that the build won't be done by Promenade Construction with a labour force of 3. I'd imagine the build will be much quicker than the rest of the ground.
 
Lost Seasider said:
An unpopular question maybe, but is it really worth it?

How many games would see the extra capacity used?
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It’s an age old argument, however if you look at it from a statistical perspective….

Championship Clubs similar to us (with sufficient capacity) tend to run at a ratio of 1:1:5 (Ave Attendance:Max Attendance) in any given season.

So theoretically the inability to accommodate bigger ‘one off’ games, which might include Derby games, big Cup ties, Promotion runs or ticket offer games… will restrict the ability of a club to increase the normal day to day attendances.

In essence rather than looking at it as needing to fill it every week, it’s more about capturing the maximum number of floaters at the big games and then hopefully gaining maybe 10-20% increase in general attendances over time.

As things stand we’ve really got no potential to grow at all…. In recent years we’ve had two seasons in the championship where attendances have averaged at or slightly above our current useable capacity and that was with limitations on away capacity…
 
Whilst it would be nice to have a new East Stand to finish the ground, the current incarnation, whilst not exactly aesthetically pleasing, is adequate. It now has a roof, decent facilities in the South East, and is no worse than say the Riverside Stand at Ewood. The fact that it doesn't look great is also mitigated by the fact it backs on to Henry Street so isn't particular visible, and with the gantry up there the rest of the ground looks ok from a TV viewpoint.

If we're not going to be able to build a new stand for a few years, I'd focus instead on building some proper facilities at the North end - bars, toilets, turnstiles etc, and put the away fans in there. We could then use the South East and the first block of the East for complimentary tickets for schools, and use the rest of the South end of the East as a "matchday ticket only" stand, no STs, for say a fiver cheaper than the rest of the ground.
 
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Phone or email this company on Monday and ask how long it would take to build each section or to upgrade the existing East. Then forward the details to the SLO to send to SS so he can get moving
 
Whatever they decide, I just hope it is a bit different. I'd go for a steeper stand with about 30 rows, but looking at the SE corner I've no idea how they would do this without blocking the view of seats in there.
 
Dependant upon the owners ambition, a two tier East holding 7-8k would be ideal.

Build the main structure and upper tier behind the existing temp. Stand so that capacity is not compromised during construction.

Liverpool did similar recently, when rebuilding their main stand.
 
Satriale's Pork Store said:
Dependant upon the owners ambition, a two tier East holding 7-8k would be ideal.

Build the main structure and upper tier behind the existing temp. Stand so that capacity is not compromised during construction.

Liverpool did similar recently, when rebuilding their main stand.
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I agree with two tier east.. would make the ground look good in my opinion. I Think the bowl type grounds are boring and souless and hundreds of seats would need to be covered to segregate the fans..
 
seaside7 said:
Whilst it would be nice to have a new East Stand to finish the ground, the current incarnation, whilst not exactly aesthetically pleasing, is adequate. It now has a roof, decent facilities in the South East, and is no worse than say the Riverside Stand at Ewood. The fact that it doesn't look great is also mitigated by the fact it backs on to Henry Street so isn't particular visible, and with the gantry up there the rest of the ground looks ok from a TV viewpoint.

If we're not going to be able to build a new stand for a few years, I'd focus instead on building some proper facilities at the North end - bars, toilets, turnstiles etc, and put the away fans in there. We could then use the South East and the first block of the East for complimentary tickets for schools, and use the rest of the South end of the East as a "matchday ticket only" stand, no STs, for say a fiver cheaper than the rest of the ground.
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Not sure away fans agree it is adequate
My Grand daughters boyfriend a Boro fan said 1 portaloo that was blocked 10 mins after kick off and no food and drink was available by kickoff
 
BFC_53 said:
At some point we're going to just have to bite the bullet and suffer a significantly reduced capacity for at least a season, possibly a little bit more. I suspect during this time the away allocation will be severely reduced, possibly to less than 1,000. So prepare yourselves for getting less than 1,000 tickets at Deepdale, due to their limited cranial capacities that denies them the ability to understand the circumstances around it. They might have to start planning their celebrations now.

I hope when it's done it gives us the capacity to offer at least 5k to away fans. Especially now we're in the championship, we're missing out on so much revenue. There must be at least 10 clubs if not more that would sell that many.
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But as I explained above your post we can build the ne corner over a summer and get it up and running, then do half the east the following season's. Or at worst have the whole east done and at least we have an extra 1k from the bigger corner we've done. The corner starts off meeting the north 24th row at that height but goes up a row each bit along until at the other side it's 35 or whatever height the other stand will be.

mad-link said:
Whatever they decide, I just hope it is a bit different. I'd go for a steeper stand with about 30 rows, but looking at the SE corner I've no idea how they would do this without blocking the view of seats in there.
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Shouldn't be too bad as it'll go up at a similar angle, the current east goes up at a lesser rate hence why its lower.

The stand doesn't go back very far in comparison to the size of the permanent ones, you’ll have seats going all the way back.

There may have to be some minor alterations to ensure all is good but seems perfectly doable.
 
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Just get it done, the East is ** garbage. Even if we can’t fill it just get it done.
 
If they did buy all the properties on Henry street and ran the stand round from the south, the foundations etc could be laid while the east stand is still in place, steelwork go’s up quick enough, floors are all concrete planks craned into place it’s not a massive job, over the summer break and 6 month into the season
 
Seasidestevo71 said:
If they did buy all the properties on Henry street and ran the stand round from the south, the foundations etc could be laid while the east stand is still in place, steelwork go’s up quick enough, floors are all concrete planks craned into place it’s not a massive job, over the summer break and 6 month into the season
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Especially as the stand should be a seats to the top type.

So shouldn't be any need for hospitality boxes etc.

I still say do the ne corner first then season after do the east.
 
To be honest, this season would have been a good one. Will fizzle out post February when I believe we'll have enough of an advantage over the bottom three not to worry about relegation. Work could have started then which would have given them 6 months until the new season.
 
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