Nissan in Brexit Britain

JJpool

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Not only are they staying but....

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Nissan investment to create thousands of UK jobs - BBC News

The carmaker is set to announce a major expansion of battery production in Sunderland.
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Brexit news: Nissan makes plans to build battery ‘gigafactory’ in Sunderland | UK | News | Express.co.uk

JAPANESE car-maker Nissan is expected to announce plans to build an electric car battery 'gigafactory' plant in Sunderland this week, giving Britain a much-needed Brexit boost.
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I suppose thats some good news and didn't go the way some had predicted in the end.
 
Trammo said:
Their new motor is gonna be named 52-48👍🇬🇧
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Is that because 52:48 is going to be the share of investment between govt and Nissan?

On the face of it, anything that creates good quality jobs and protects the existing supply chain is a great thing. The devil will be in the detail though. The story makes it clear that the move is down to a need to meet new requirements on U.K. origin components in UK produced cars. For whatever reason, that requirement appears to have been set by the EU. So are the government getting involved because this pushes us ahead of other countries or do Nissan - and the other companies in talks - have the country over a barrel and public funds will be used to fund private investment?
 
The first 3 orders for this model of democracy vehicle come from St. Albans, Mexborough, and Catford ! Would you Adam and Eve it ! They all have the same surname as well!🇬🇧
 
It's good news for the North East but as said above, the devil is in the detail

"The government is contributing to the overall cost of the project, which is expected to cost hundreds of millions.
The size of the government contribution has not been disclosed."
 
Wizaard said:
It's good news for the North East but as said above, the devil is in the detail

"The government is contributing to the overall cost of the project, which is expected to cost hundreds of millions.
The size of the government contribution has not been disclosed."
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Is that not because its under some scheme as its classed as reducing emissions etc with the battery tech therefore some grant from the government is provided.
 
JJpool said:
Is that not because its under some scheme as its classed as reducing emissions etc with the battery tech therefore some grant from the government is provided.
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That would be separate to the incentive to remain located in the North East.
 
JJpool said:
Not only are they staying but....

www-bbc-co-uk.cdn.ampproject.org

Nissan investment to create thousands of UK jobs - BBC News

The carmaker is set to announce a major expansion of battery production in Sunderland.
www-bbc-co-uk.cdn.ampproject.org www-bbc-co-uk.cdn.ampproject.org

Brexit news: Nissan makes plans to build battery ‘gigafactory’ in Sunderland | UK | News | Express.co.uk

JAPANESE car-maker Nissan is expected to announce plans to build an electric car battery 'gigafactory' plant in Sunderland this week, giving Britain a much-needed Brexit boost.
www.express.co.uk www.express.co.uk

I suppose thats some good news and didn't go the way some had predicted in the end.
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JJ

Never mind all this b0110x, have the Tavern at the Mill managed to solve their recruitment problem yet ?
 
Killingmesoftly said:
Are they not just making the batteries there? The highly toxic and un recyclable lithium ones…?
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Electric car batteries and other batteries can be recycled, although the industry needs to improve.

Its also a lot greener to be running an electric car not pumping out gasses as long as the energy generated is generated in a greener way.

But we've been hearing for years now about battery breakthroughs using graphite etc that should charge in minutes, we could do with improving the tech further to push a greener world.
 
I’m confused, the Leftwaffle seem to have all the answers, wouldn’t you think they would be able to get into Westminster with such knowledge. Or maybe there’s another problem why they can’t get near 🤔
 
SEASIDE2020 said:
JJ

Never mind all this b0110x, have the Tavern at the Mill managed to solve their recruitment problem yet ?
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It’s funny how all the remoaners on here try to turn this great news in to a joke as they just can’t find anything positive to say.

That’s just typical. 🙄

Imagine the reaction had Nissan moved the plant to the EU and dumped the U.K.? 🤬
 
Jaffa_The_Hut said:
It’s funny how all the remoaners on here try to turn this great news in to a joke as they just can’t find anything positive to say.

That’s just typical. 🙄

Imagine the reaction had Nissan moved the plant to the EU and dumped the U.K.? 🤬
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Jaffa

My line about the Tavern at the Mill was a joke and I couldn't agree with you more.

Many on here are desperate for the country - their own country - to fail because it's more important for them to be "right" than for the country to prosper.

Let's be honest, for the majority of us, nothing has changed since we left the EU but we are constantly informed about the importance of minor changes that were never referred to when to prior to the referendum.

We have the Irish borders, fishing rights and the recruitment problems at the Tavern at the Mill, it will be a huge setback for some that Nissan are continuing to invest in the UK.

Probably best just to leave them to it Jaffa, they have made up their minds and I have no doubt that they will continue to keep us informed of the earth shattering changes that are dramatically affecting our everyday lives now that the country has opted to leave an economic union.
 
SEASIDE2020 said:
Jaffa

My line about the Tavern at the Mill was a joke and I couldn't agree with you more.

Many on here are desperate for the country - their own country - to fail because it's more important for them to be "right" than for the country to prosper.

Let's be honest, for the majority of us, nothing has changed since we left the EU but we are constantly informed about the importance of minor changes that were never referred to when to prior to the referendum.

We have the Irish borders, fishing rights and the recruitment problems at the Tavern at the Mill, it will be a huge setback for some that Nissan are continuing to invest in the UK.

Probably best just to leave them to it Jaffa, they have made up their minds and I have no doubt that they will continue to keep us informed of the earth shattering changes that are dramatically affecting our everyday lives now that the country has opted to leave an economic union.
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It is great news for the people of Sunderland but you would expect any sensible person to look at the detail, especially if a significant proportion of the deal is Government/ taxpayers money.
As for this bollocks about people on the opposite side of the old argument wanting this country to fail. It's exactly that. Utter bollocks.
Below is the result of a YouGov poll from 2019, taken from Conservative Party members only. Note: YouGov is run by a company with huge links to the Tories.
"Sixty three per cent say they would rather Scotland left the UK if it secured Brexit, with 61% willing to accept "significant damage" to the economy and 59% willing to see Northern Ireland leave the UK.

A further 54% would want Brexit to go ahead even if it meant the destruction of their own party."

Brexit extremists/ remain extremists. Would it be wrong for someone to conclude that those who were prepared for significant damage to the economy or the break up of the UK are the very definition of traitors? We can all spin things.

Top and bottom of this is that Sunderland will gain 2000 jobs (good) and we're paying for some of the investment.
 
southshorepool said:
It is great news for the people of Sunderland but you would expect any sensible person to look at the detail, especially if a significant proportion of the deal is Government/ taxpayers money.
As for this bollocks about people on the opposite side of the old argument wanting this country to fail. It's exactly that. Utter bollocks.
Below is the result of a YouGov poll from 2019, taken from Conservative Party members only. Note: YouGov is run by a company with huge links to the Tories.
"Sixty three per cent say they would rather Scotland left the UK if it secured Brexit, with 61% willing to accept "significant damage" to the economy and 59% willing to see Northern Ireland leave the UK.

A further 54% would want Brexit to go ahead even if it meant the destruction of their own party."

Brexit extremists/ remain extremists. Would it be wrong for someone to conclude that those who were prepared for significant damage to the economy or the break up of the UK are the very definition of traitors? We can all spin things.

Top and bottom of this is that Sunderland will gain 2000 jobs (good) and we're paying for some of the investment.
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SouthShore

Thanks for going to the bother of getting all those percentages.

Extremists have got nothing to do with the percentages that matter though.

52% of those that participated in the EU referendum wanted Britain to leave the EU.

I don't expect the 48% to change their mind and many of the remainers on here appear far more happy about dramatising minor changes and for them being proved right is more important than the success of the country.

Now you can call that "utter b0110x" if you so wish but we have heard far more on here about minor or non existent changes than the likes of the Nissan investment.

For the majority, Brexit has not impacted on their everyday lives and as I've previously said, when issues were being debated prior to the referendum, nobody could give a feck about fishing rights, the Irish borders and recruitment at the Tavern at the Mill.
 
EagleDay said:
What's the difference between highly toxic lithium batteries and highly toxic carbon emissions?
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Assuming the energy is generated from burning fossil fuels..then not much diff really….
Of course once you combine the two and put in an electric car, the person driving the car, gets a sense their saving the planet…🤣
 
Yes good news indeed, but isn’t that the second ‘bung’ Nissan have needed since 2016?
I guess it is how it will have to be now especially in the short term, and probably money well spent although we don’t know the full details.
 
EagleDay said:
What's the difference between highly toxic lithium batteries and highly toxic carbon emissions?
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Killingmesoftly said:
Assuming the energy is generated from burning fossil fuels..then not much diff really….
Of course once you combine the two and put in an electric car, the person driving the car, gets a sense their saving the planet…🤣
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That's a fact. Electric cars have to be driven 20,000 miles before they become greener than diesels. Then the battery disposal at the end of its life is a horrific prospect that has not really been addressed. I seem to remember the govt telling us to buy diesel cars not all that long ago, then petrol became cleaner. Now the fashion is hybrid and in the future electric.
 
tommytwojags said:
That's a fact. Electric cars have to be driven 20,000 miles before they become greener than diesels. Then the battery disposal at the end of its life is a horrific prospect that has not really been addressed. I seem to remember the govt telling us to buy diesel cars not all that long ago, then petrol became cleaner. Now the fashion is hybrid and in the future electric.
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Nuclear Fusion is pretty green, till you dispose of the waste - The Jam (1980)
 
So the reason this factory is opening is because we have left the EU? I find that a bit surprising but it is good that it will be in the UK.
 
glasshalffull said:
Yes good news indeed, but isn’t that the second ‘bung’ Nissan have needed since 2016?
I guess it is how it will have to be now especially in the short term, and probably money well spent although we don’t know the full details.
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£100,000,000 apparently
 
Wizaard said:
£100,000,000 apparently
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Basically, this is the resetting of the car industry in the UK to meet the new all-electric demands. You can't have electric cars without batteries and there are no battery factories currently in the UK. Germany is way further down the road than we are on this due to their much bigger car industry.

I don't know what subsidies the German government has given their companies but, as a rule, Germany subsidies industry at much higher levels than we do. It's not perfect but, if it kick starts a new industry with skilled workers in the North, then I don't have a problem with it.
 
Kip said:
Basically, this is the resetting of the car industry in the UK to meet the new all-electric demands. You can't have electric cars without batteries and there are no battery factories currently in the UK. Germany is way further down the road than we are on this due to their much bigger car industry.

I don't know what subsidies the German government has given their companies but, as a rule, Germany subsidies industry at much higher levels than we do. It's not perfect but, if it kick starts a new industry with skilled workers in the North, then I don't have a problem with it.
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I don't have a problem with it either seeing as we've been throwing tens of billions at people to stay at home, a fair few of whom have then been working illicitly.
 
Kip said:
Basically, this is the resetting of the car industry in the UK to meet the new all-electric demands. You can't have electric cars without batteries and there are no battery factories currently in the UK. Germany is way further down the road than we are on this due to their much bigger car industry.

I don't know what subsidies the German government has given their companies but, as a rule, Germany subsidies industry at much higher levels than we do. It's not perfect but, if it kick starts a new industry with skilled workers in the North, then I don't have a problem with it.
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Germany still has £12 billion of the Marshall plan money in an account gaining interest since 1945. They only paid 33 per cent back of what they got from the Yanks. Maybe they could use some of that re subsidies etc
 
Trammo said:
Germany still has £12 billion of the Marshall plan money in an account gaining interest since 1945. They only paid 33 per cent back of what they got from the Yanks. Maybe they could use some of that re subsidies etc
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No it hasn't, It only got $1.4 billion and no one had to pay Marshal Plan money back, it was a grant.

We got more by the way, $2.2 billion, we didn't pay that back either, it started the NHS.
 
Trammo said:
Germany still has £12 billion of the Marshall plan money in an account gaining interest since 1945. They only paid 33 per cent back of what they got from the Yanks. Maybe they could use some of that re subsidies etc
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🙄 where did you read that bullsh#t
 
The Nissan Robots will be celebrating tonight folks alongside the 15 new human with jobs created to clean them!

Meanwhile Sunak gives up on trying to secure access to EU markets for UK Finacial Services - a net contributor to UK economy of @£130bn a year.

It’s called “levelling up” don’t you know!
 
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I have just read that nissan have shed 1500 jobs since 2016 so the 900 jobs created is still a deficit and it's paid for by me and you at a time when british business are no longer being supported by the furlough scheme.
 
I'm not into this cold comfort stuff. The Nissan thing is to be welcomed, very much so.
Brexit was still wrong though and needn't have happened for this to go through.
 
Wizaard said:
It's good news for the North East but as said above, the devil is in the detail

"The government is contributing to the overall cost of the project, which is expected to cost hundreds of millions.
The size of the government contribution has not been disclosed."
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Hurray, state subsidy! For private companies!

State subsidy is *bad* if it's for public services but if it's for underpinning the profit making of multinational corporations then it's *good*

Obviously...

Ten points for the first poster to blame Red Robbo.

I'd rather buy an electric Austin Ambassador...
 
I imagine the Gov't are simply guaranteeing the loan taken out by Nissan to expand the Sunderland plant. All countries do this in order to support their manufacturing base and I am pleased that the UK is now expanding the amount of support offered to companies who build things here. We'd be much better off as a country if we had starting offering this level of support decades ago instead of focusing on tax breaks for financial services.
 
Bamber said:
I imagine the Gov't are simply guaranteeing the loan taken out by Nissan to expand the Sunderland plant. All countries do this in order to support their manufacturing base and I am pleased that the UK is now expanding the amount of support offered to companies who build things here. We'd be much better off as a country if we had starting offering this level of support decades ago instead of focusing on tax breaks for financial services.
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Do you “imagine”? Or is it true?

That to one side I don’t really have a problem with state support provided it creates and supports employment in deprived areas. Better than paying benefits directly to people who’d otherwise be unemployed.

You could describe it as win/win.

Or more accurately as win (ie Nissan)/don’t lose (your job).
 
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