Oliver Sarkic

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poolko

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From what I can gather, Sarkic is still waiting to make his debut for Mansfield, having joined on loan on Feb 1st. He’s been an unused sub a few times but I don’t think he’s made it onto the grass.

What sort of a non-player is this guy and how on earth did he play so many games for Burton? Looked useless in tangerine and the Stags don’t seem too keen either.

Perhaps a signing symbolic of Critchley’s lack of appreciation (or that if the scouting team) about what was really required at an ambitious League One club. Also see Kemp, Robson, Woodburn & Lubala for further evidence
 
He got 18 minutes at Walsall on 9/2 and one minute against Cambridge on the 20th. Unused sub against Harrogate three days later then not in the squad again until yesterday but didn't get onto the pitch. Maybe injuries as Nigel Clough knows him and said he was going to play on the right of a front three.

Teddy Howe had got his first four minutes in for Scunthorpe on Tuesday but didn't appear yesterday. I think he's had hamstring problems.
 
When you recruit as heavily as we had to in the summer there will inevitably be mistakes made. Credit to Critchley for realising the mistake and offloading him. I also think Howe wasnt quite good enough and Gabriel was a serious upgrade. We still need another 5 or 6 in which will mean some out and I think there maybe a few surprises with who leaves. I fully expect Thorniley, Madine and Robson to be away in the summer and I fear Mitchell, Garbutt and Ward will also be off. Add the loan players Ballard, Gabriel and Simms to the list and we have some serious recruiting to do.
 
They haven't offloaded Sarkic though. He's here until the end of June 2022 and unless they can find someone to take that on it's going to be more wages going towards another player who isn't going to contribute anything, and where it wasn't actually clear what position he was signed for. Unless he has a lazarus pre-season.
 
poolko said:
From what I can gather, Sarkic is still waiting to make his debut for Mansfield, having joined on loan on Feb 1st. He’s been an unused sub a few times but I don’t think he’s made it onto the grass.

What sort of a non-player is this guy and how on earth did he play so many games for Burton? Looked useless in tangerine and the Stags don’t seem too keen either.

Perhaps a signing symbolic of Critchley’s lack of appreciation (or that if the scouting team) about what was really required at an ambitious League One club. Also see Kemp, Robson, Woodburn & Lubala for further evidence
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Woodburn played in the League One play offs last season. That's fairly ambitious for a League One club.
 
TANGERINETOWERPOWER said:
When you recruit as heavily as we had to in the summer there will inevitably be mistakes made. Credit to Critchley for realising the mistake and offloading him. I also think Howe wasnt quite good enough and Gabriel was a serious upgrade. We still need another 5 or 6 in which will mean some out and I think there maybe a few surprises with who leaves. I fully expect Thorniley, Madine and Robson to be away in the summer and I fear Mitchell, Garbutt and Ward will also be off. Add the loan players Ballard, Gabriel and Simms to the list and we have some serious recruiting to do.
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😂😂😂😂😂😂 based on nothing but your imagination, yes if we discard 8 players we will probably need to sign some more.

We don’t need to sign another 6 players in the summer, we need to stick with what we have and keep coaching them. Players do sometimes get better, honestly, trust me, I’ve seen it happen, though you’d be forgiven for thinking developing potential is some kind of black magic from reading this board sometimes.
 
BlackpoolsFinest said:
The lack of salary cap will benefit us massively this summer.
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Will it? I'm not sure as the club voted for it and are disappointed that it's been scrapped as a limit for all. Without it the bigger clubs in the league with more pull can in theory compete for the same players again.

I don't think Demetri Mitchell gets as far as us on trial last summer if Sunderland were able to offer him a contract, as well as sign Danny Graham. They wanted him as a left wing back as they didn't have one but they had to prioritise a striker. Hasn't really worked for either of us, but that's an example of a salary cap (and limits on squad numbers by age) being in place as a leveller. They were also looking at Garbutt but they couldn't do that one for the same reasons.
 
Alf said:
😂😂😂😂😂😂 based on nothing but your imagination, yes if we discard 8 players we will probably need to sign some more.

We don’t need to sign another 6 players in the summer, we need to stick with what we have and keep coaching them. Players do sometimes get better, honestly, trust me, I’ve seen it happen, though you’d be forgiven for thinking developing potential is some kind of black magic from reading this board sometimes.
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Coaching them and making them better is what we have to do as a club. Some people are very good at spending Simon Sadlers money, to buy a proven League 1 striker from one of our rivals would probably cost at least 2 million, then there are the wages on top!
How do we know SS wants to be spending like that? We can't even get people in the stadium and how do we know there won't be another lockdown next winter.
I don't think SS will be throwing money around this summer, so the job is to make players like Robson and Lubala better and when we do spend we really need to make it count.
 
gjr69 said:
Coaching them and making them better is what we have to do as a club. Some people are very good at spending Simon Sadlers money, to buy a proven League 1 striker from one of our rivals would probably cost at least 2 million, then there are the wages on top!
How do we know SS wants to be spending like that? We can't even get people in the stadium and how do we know there won't be another lockdown next winter.
I don't think SS will be throwing money around this summer, so the job is to make players like Robson and Lubala better and when we do spend we really need to make it count.
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I think that pretty much is what the majority want. Top stop pissing cash up a wall and see more value from recruitment and coaching.
 
poolfc said:
Will it? I'm not sure as the club voted for it and are disappointed that it's been scrapped as a limit for all. Without it the bigger clubs in the league with more pull can in theory compete for the same players again.

I don't think Demetri Mitchell gets as far as us on trial last summer if Sunderland were able to offer him a contract, as well as sign Danny Graham. They wanted him as a left wing back as they didn't have one but they had to prioritise a striker. Hasn't really worked for either of us, but that's an example of a salary cap (and limits on squad numbers by age) being in place as a leveller. They were also looking at Garbutt but they couldn't do that one for the same reasons.
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Good points, but I also think it will open us up to being able to sign players who we would not have been able to afford in the first place - players totally out of reach to League One clubs.
There will obviously be a butterfly effect to all this, but who's to say us or Sunderland would have been interested in Mitchell or Garbutt had the cap not been in place.
The general rule in football is that the teams with the most money who are pretty well run are the most successful, I think we'll fit comfortably in to that bracket once the dust has finally settled on righting all of the wrongs since SS bought the club.

Hopefully lessons have been learned and a real targeted recruitment of specific players can be signed, not the Football Manager-esque "he's young, quick and available, let's get him" signings we saw in the summer; the January window suggests we're on the right path.
 
bfcpete said:
Assuming SS can afford to carry wasted wages when contracted players wont move on unless they have at least an equivalent contract elsewhere
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With the way we've discarded players so far, the impression I get is that the wages of some League One players are pocket change to SS.
 
Alf said:
😂😂😂😂😂😂 based on nothing but your imagination, yes if we discard 8 players we will probably need to sign some more.

We don’t need to sign another 6 players in the summer, we need to stick with what we have and keep coaching them. Players do sometimes get better, honestly, trust me, I’ve seen it happen, though you’d be forgiven for thinking developing potential is some kind of black magic from reading this board sometimes.
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I will bet you anything you like we sign at least 6 in the summer whether you want to believe it or not...which youth players have we developed in the last 20 years ?...I reckon you can count them on one hand
 
TANGERINETOWERPOWER said:
I will bet you anything you like we sign at least 6 in the summer whether you want to believe it or not...which youth players have we developed in the last 20 years ?...I reckon you can count them on one hand
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I didn’t say youth players I said young players and you know it. The only reason we haven’t developed many of those is because the average age of our signings under the Oystons was 49, but certainly there’s been more young players join, get better and leave for profit than I can count on 1 hand.

We have just signed a whole new squad and most if not all of them are under 25. Some will take time to develop, some may not come good, but it’s a different world that we’re in now and perspectives need to change accordingly.

Its just classic AVFTT to imagine something that’s not happened yet and might not, and then start worrying!
 
Alf said:
I didn’t say youth players I said young players and you know it. The only reason we haven’t developed many of those is because the average age of our signings under the Oystons was 49, but certainly there’s been more young players join, get better and leave for profit than I can count on 1 hand.

We have just signed a whole new squad and most if not all of them are under 25. Some will take time to develop, some may not come good, but it’s a different world that we’re in now and perspectives need to change accordingly.

Its just classic AVFTT to imagine something that’s not happened yet and might not, and then start worrying!
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I will still bet you we sign at least 6 new faces this summer
 
Alf said:
😂😂😂😂😂😂 based on nothing but your imagination, yes if we discard 8 players we will probably need to sign some more.

We don’t need to sign another 6 players in the summer, we need to stick with what we have and keep coaching them. Players do sometimes get better, honestly, trust me, I’ve seen it happen, though you’d be forgiven for thinking developing potential is some kind of black magic from reading this board sometimes.
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For a start our 4 loan players will return to their parent clubs. Also I think we have several out of contract e.g. Madine, Turton, Husband and Ward. So I expect another busy summer of ins and outs.
 
Alf said:
I didn’t say youth players I said young players and you know it. The only reason we haven’t developed many of those is because the average age of our signings under the Oystons was 49, but certainly there’s been more young players join, get better and leave for profit than I can count on 1 hand.

We have just signed a whole new squad and most if not all of them are under 25. Some will take time to develop, some may not come good, but it’s a different world that we’re in now and perspectives need to change accordingly.

Its just classic AVFTT to imagine something that’s not happened yet and might not, and then start worrying!
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We could easily need to sign 5/6 players this summer. I don’t understand why that’s controversial?

A keeper worthy of challenging Maxwell.

Probably need a right back as Gabriel will go on tot bigger things.
Cover at centre back and possibly left back.

One more winger or attacking mid depending on which formation Critch goes for

and probably two strikers.

Thats anywhere between five to seven, I don’t think that’s a negative, we have a decent base of 14/15 players depending on who resigns. It will likely be the most effective transfer window under Sadler.
 
Rektseasider said:
We could easily need to sign 5/6 players this summer. I don’t understand why that’s controversial?

A keeper worthy of challenging Maxwell.

Probably need a right back as Gabriel will go on tot bigger things.
Cover at centre back and possibly left back.

One more winger or attacking mid depending on which formation Critch goes for

and probably two strikers.

Thats anywhere between five to seven, I don’t think that’s a negative, we have a decent base of 14/15 players depending on who resigns. It will likely be the most effective transfer window under Sadler.
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I wasn't saying that signing 6 players is controversial, rather that saying we *need* to whilst we're still in the middle of a season is jumping the gun. 6 is a completely normal amount of players in a window, and done right could complement the team. But to talk as if there's 6 areas that need addressing at this point in time is a bit silly, that's all, when everybody is still under contract. The amount we bring in completely depends on the amount that stay, and that's up in the air. Sarkic is case in point, could easily still come good and remove the need for that extra attacking mid.

When we have the retained list, we'll know how many signings we need.
 
Alf said:
I wasn't saying that signing 6 players is controversial, rather that saying we *need* to whilst we're still in the middle of a season is jumping the gun. 6 is a completely normal amount of players in a window, and done right could complement the team. But to talk as if there's 6 areas that need addressing at this point in time is a bit silly, that's all, when everybody is still under contract. The amount we bring in completely depends on the amount that stay, and that's up in the air. Sarkic is case in point, could easily still come good and remove the need for that extra attacking mid.

When we have the retained list, we'll know how many signings we need.
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Yes course when we have the retained list we’ll know a lot more but this is just a message board where we pose our ideas on and about the club.

I often wonder when people push back against ideas and thought on here so virulently, if they think they actually have any sway over the direction of the club, because they don’t.

Back to the topic, yes you’re right 6 would probably be slightly under the average signed on this league and I think you’re right most of the squad is in place now but we’ll still need around that number to get the squad up to standard for next season. As I say mostly cover positions but 2-3 real pieces of quality would help, particularly at the top of the pitch. Again as I’ve said previously in threads, I approach this from the position that we’re not going to be troubling the playoffs this year. I’d be more than happy if that’s wrong thought.

On Sarkic, he’s never going to work out here. Critch knew he was signing the day he turned up at the club, signed for him by BM. Was always going to end disaster that one.

To be fair, we’re nearly there with a balanced squad, it’s taken a fair bit of work behind the scenes but could still go tits up of the club don’t nail this next window.
 
I'm not sure what everyone is arguing about. Yes there will inevitably be some ins and outs, but arguing about how many is pretty pointless. What I would say is that Blackpool are in a strong position to attract and retain players now, so there is every reason to believe that we will have a strong squad next season whatever League we are in. Clearly if we were to get promoted this season that position would be particularly strong.
 
TangerinePeel said:
Doesn't bode well for his Blackpool career then if he can't get a game at Mansfield unfortunately.
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I don't he has or ever had a Blackpool career, he perfectly sums up the chaotic period when the club were playing Football Manager signing up players simply because they could.
All connected to the club will have learned from then, as we should now see more targeted signings of specific players, some need to be of the highest quality available, a few will be squad fillers to replace the ones that leave.
I think the January window showed progress, despite the handicap of the squad and salary cap, plus the difficulty of signing players compared to in the summer.
 
BlackpoolsFinest said:
I don't he has or ever had a Blackpool career, he perfectly sums up the chaotic period when the club were playing Football Manager signing up players simply because they could.
All connected to the club will have learned from then, as we should now see more targeted signings of specific players, some need to be of the highest quality available, a few will be squad fillers to replace the ones that leave.
I think the January window showed progress, despite the handicap of the squad and salary cap, plus the difficulty of signing players compared to in the summer.
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Yeah, I think its something that's been mentioned already but when you sign a boat load of players its likely some are going to turn out not so great. Law of averages and all that

I think January was the first of what should be relatively normal transfer windows going forward, it was certainly interesting when double figures were going out and double figures were coming in anyway!
 
Stick around and you might learn something, especially from me!
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He said, before completely ruining his point by failing in the simple task of posting a reply
 
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