Our First Signing Should Be…

Theoneandonly

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In the coaching and or treatment departments and probably both. A thorough review is needed of our litany of injuries and training and treatment adjusted accordingly. Technology should be used to maximize training as older players recover slower than younger ones. We can’t afford another season of poor decision making.
 
We’ve already made our first signing.

Also on one hand you’re saying we need to spend on coaches and technology to get on top of the injury situation…

Yet on another thread earlier this afternoon you’re saying the training ground (which literally includes top class treatment facilities and facilities designed to keep on top of injuries) is a waste of money.

I’m beginning to see why the club aren’t bothering communicating anymore ! No chance they can win
 
Is it? Where’s the proof of that? Bolton? Reading? Wigan, Hull or Derby?
You’ve picked 4 clubs with well publicised financial issues - none of which had anything to do with spending on training facilities but on over spending on players. If they’d channeled that same money into home developed players from their facilities they’d probably be in a much healthier position - in fact the facilities and those young players kept Wigan, Derby and Bolton from likely going out of existence altogether
 
We’ve already made our first signing.

Also on one hand you’re saying we need to spend on coaches and technology to get on top of the injury situation…

Yet on another thread earlier this afternoon you’re saying the training ground (which literally includes top class treatment facilities and facilities designed to keep on top of injuries) is a waste of money.

I’m beginning to see why the club aren’t bothering communicating anymore ! No chance they can win
Seek improvements in training and treatment is looking at data, defining problems and seeking new solutions. It doesn’t mean start building a training ground using savings rather than earnings with revenues diminished due to relegation.
 
You’ve picked 4 clubs with well publicised financial issues - none of which had anything to do with spending on training facilities but on over spending on players. If they’d channeled that same money into home developed players from their facilities they’d probably be in a much healthier position - in fact the facilities and those young players kept Wigan, Derby and Bolton from likely going out of existence altogether
No I picked clubs that did invest in facilities to illustrate it is not a guarantee of fiscal or club prosperity. If it was then Arsenal wouldn’t be paying 65 million for Havertz.
 
In the coaching and or treatment departments and probably both. A thorough review is needed of our litany of injuries and training and treatment adjusted accordingly. Technology should be used to maximize training as older players recover slower than younger ones. We can’t afford another season of poor decision making.
I reckon our first signing should be this guy, I know, a bit random.

 
No in the history of the world it’s always been the way to ignore the bigger picture and try to be clever. I don’t really count a Charlton freebie beating no one to his signature as a signing. Hopefully he will prove me and the marketplace wrong.
Of course it's a signing 😆

As for the injury side yes a review is probably needed as it's been to high. I'd imagine training and methods using technology are used and reviewed.

Tbh we don't know what they've done or what we really have in place, but we do need vast improvement and part of it is in recruitment too.
 
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Just for once I've turned out to be ITK I said on an earlier thread nothing much will happen until July because when contracts expire or run down we can compete at this level. We can easily afford 6 figure fees if we choose to do so and offer better terms than teams such as Shrewsbury or Burton. Please stop trying to make me into the optimistic one we're all going to die in the long run (Keynes).
 
A new training ground is more important than winning promotion if you look at a 5-10 year plan.
And why, precisely, can we not have both? Why does one, necessarily, have to impinge on the other? Is it really asking so much for the 'two' options to be carried out in unison? Such 'measured progress' (if we can call it that) strikes me as being something of an Oystonism. I thought those days had been consigned to the history books and that we were now becoming a much more progressive club; one where highly ambitious plans were being drawn up, and one where exciting new developments were actually beginning to appear on a much more regular basis. If we were to lose this momentum at such a key time, I fear there would be a distinct danger of this turning into something of a backward step, and this exciting period, which had been shaping up into being one characterised by a real sense of promise and anticipation, will run the risk of petering out just as it was about to get into full swing. And we must be honest with ourselves here, because if such an option were to quickly become a reality, the repercussions don't even bear thinking about...
 
It is but it depends if on your outlook. Happy being a yo yo club (at best) or build the infrastructure to have more chance of sustaining Championship football.
League 2 to league 1 - 1 million quid
League 1 to Championship- 8 million quid
Championship to Premier lg - 120 million quid

It's quite simple the higher up the league you are the more tv money you get
 
And why, precisely, can we not have both? Why does one, necessarily, have to impinge on the other? Is it really asking so much for the 'two' options to be carried out in unison? Such 'measured progress' (if we can call it that) strikes me as being something of an Oystonism. I thought those days had been consigned to the history books and that we were now becoming a much more progressive club; one where highly ambitious plans were being drawn up, and one where exciting new developments were actually beginning to appear on a much more regular basis. If we were to lose this momentum at such a key time, I fear there would be a distinct danger of this turning into something of a backward step, and this exciting period, which had been shaping up into being one characterised by a real sense of promise and anticipation, will run the risk of petering out just as it was about to get into full swing. And we must be honest with ourselves here, because if such an option were to quickly become a reality, the repercussions don't even bear thinking about...
Why can we not have both?
Because we put hardly fuck all in the till with our shite attendances and expect someone who is well off not mega rich to fund both.

So lets have a three sided stadium a 1970's training ground so we can spunk it all on making footballers rich.

Or lets have the developments, as to comparing to Oystonism who spent fuck all had family on big wages and just took out is beyond belief.
 
Just for once I've turned out to be ITK I said on an earlier thread nothing much will happen until July because when contracts expire or run down we can compete at this level. We can easily afford 6 figure fees if we choose to do so and offer better terms than teams such as Shrewsbury or Burton. Please stop trying to make me into the optimistic one we're all going to die in the long run (Keynes).
That's not ITK 😏 also we've a bit left yet until July, so we could sign someone tomorrow, 2 next week...

(If this comes true my ITK badge must be honoured)
 
Seek improvements in training and treatment is looking at data, defining problems and seeking new solutions. It doesn’t mean start building a training ground using savings rather than earnings with revenues diminished due to relegation.
You reckon the sports professionals and finely tuned athletes didn’t maybe happen on that idea already ?
 
No I picked clubs that did invest in facilities to illustrate it is not a guarantee of fiscal or club prosperity. If it was then Arsenal wouldn’t be paying 65 million for Havertz.
And I’ve pointed out those same facilities have literally saved the club from extinction DESPITE the reckless spending on the pitch. Bolton, Wigan and Derbys academy kept them capable of putting a team out… and some of those same players then brought in big money to dig them out of the same hole. Reading’s academy regularly tops up their squad and brings in a few million here and there same as Hull. With sensible spending on the playing staff those training ground and academy investments really would have paid dividends instead of just propping up the club whilst lurching from crisis to crisis and fattening the pockets of mercenaries
 
You reckon the sports professionals and finely tuned athletes didn’t maybe happen on that idea already ?
Actually no. The uk is not at the forefront of sports medicine. What tech are the players using? omega wave, Oura, haloe? Fact is whatever we did needs looking at to seek improvement. Send observers to City, Liverpool, Dortmund and see how they train, use tech. Stop being little Blackpool because tech/science is a great equalizer.

I don‘t want us to spend our lives plodding along in the championship as that is not progress. I want us to be more than that.
 
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And I’ve pointed out those same facilities have literally saved the club from extinction DESPITE the reckless spending on the pitch. Bolton, Wigan and Derbys academy kept them capable of putting a team out… and some of those same players then brought in big money to dig them out of the same hole. Reading’s academy regularly tops up their squad and brings in a few million here and there same as Hull. With sensible spending on the playing staff those training ground and academy investments really would have paid dividends instead of just propping up the club whilst lurching from crisis to crisis and fattening the pockets of mercenaries
No they haven’t. None of those clubs were saved from extinction because of their academIes and none have prospered as was hoped by their academies. Man U have an extensive academy and still they have to import talent. Don’t get me wrong I’d still build new facilities but I’d be under no illusion as to what it could accomplish and I wouldn’t dream of building it until we are in the championship.
 
A new training ground is business for the club, selling squires gate for a cheaper plot and then creating an asset when the club is up for sale is in the 10 year plan.
It won't be state of the art and off the scale , it will be an improvement and that can only help attract players to progress.
My worry is they don't build a hamstring wing !!
 
Hamstring wing is a nice touch. Promotion to generate income and learn from last season is still the priority.
That's what he's paying Critchley his team and the players to to do. They won't be laying the bricks , Sadler needs to crack on with other things, all in all a big season for everyone.
 
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That's what he's paying Critchley his team and the players to to do. They won't be laying the bricks , Sadler needs to crack on with other things, all in all a big season for everyone.
No he needs to make sure the manager has what he needs to succeed. Neither managers or players were right last season hence we were relegated. That’s on Sadler.
 
Actually no. The uk is not at the forefront of sports medicine. What tech are the players using? omega wave, Oura, haloe? Fact is whatever we did needs looking at to seek improvement. Send observers to City, Liverpool, Dortmund and see how they train, use tech. Stop being little Blackpool because tech/science is a great equalizer.

I don‘t want us to spend our lives plodding along in the championship as that is not progress. I want us to be more than that.
Ok. Well someone better let the sports scientists, physios, medical team, club doctor, fitness coaches, nutritionists, sports psychologists, head of academy, head of player development, lead development phase coach, first team coaches (with years working for various national FA’s), manager with a background at one of the top academies in world football and players - many of whom came through world class systems - know they’re doing it wrong because the fella from AVFTT assumes they haven’t thought to check what a club 40 miles down the M6 are doing….
 
Ok. Well someone better let the sports scientists, physios, medical team, club doctor, fitness coaches, nutritionists, sports psychologists, head of academy, head of player development, lead development phase coach, first team coaches (with years working for various national FA’s), manager with a background at one of the top academies in world football and players - many of whom came through world class systems - know they’re doing it wrong because the fella from AVFTT assumes they haven’t thought to check what a club 40 miles down the M6 are doing….
Why stop at actually 51 miles? Fact is you learn from the best and emulate on scale. Our injuries last year was untenable so live and learn. That applies to everyone at the club.
 
Just Sadler? Management decisions yes but players must take some responsibility.
Our players weren’t good enough and Sadler signs the cheques so on him. Sadler hires the managers who were not versed in getting the best from the type of platters we had on staff. When it was too late he fired them both. Also on Sadler. Staff/director turnover also reflects on Sadler solamente.
 
No in the history of the world it’s always been the way to ignore the bigger picture and try to be clever. I don’t really count a Charlton freebie beating no one to his signature as a signing. Hopefully he will prove me and the marketplace wrong.
So someone literally signs but you don't count it. How to remain in your negative mindset.
 
Our players weren’t good enough and Sadler signs the cheques so on him. Sadler hires the managers who were not versed in getting the best from the type of platters we had on staff. When it was too late he fired them both. Also on Sadler. Staff/director turnover also reflects on Sadler solamente.
Ahh right , all down to one man so Tottenham or Everton as a couple of examples have hired great managers and signed great players but the chairman should be blamed for spending hundreds of millions and for them not being successful.
If we win promotion this year is that all down to one man also ?
 
Ahh right , all down to one man so Tottenham or Everton as a couple of examples have hired great managers and signed great players but the chairman should be blamed for spending hundreds of millions and for them not being successful.
If we win promotion this year is that all down to one man also ?
Are you deliberately being silly? Everton had no thought behind them and their rash buying of overpaid players is down to their owner and that’s why the club will change hands. Spurs nice stadium and nearly could have won something but frequent change of managers and bad player recruitment is also down to Levy. Seeing a pattern yet? An owner/chairman sets the tone, hires the crew, sets the direction and monitors progress adjusting accordingly by supporting his/her people to do the jobs they were hired for. If we get promotion he/she ensures all the accolades go to the team, manager and club personnel but if things don’t work out he/she steps up, takes the hit, makes necessary changes, rallies the troops and goes again. That’s what Sadler should be doing now and he kind of is but not to the best of his abilities.
 
Why can we not have both?
Because we put hardly fuck all in the till with our shite attendances and expect someone who is well off not mega rich to fund both.

So lets have a three sided stadium a 1970's training ground so we can spunk it all on making footballers rich.

Or lets have the developments, as to comparing to Oystonism who spent fuck all had family on big wages and just took out is beyond belief.
Poolseasider, if I see certain points raised that I fundamentally disagree with, I would normally let such matters pass and keep my own counsel, but, on this occasion, I don't feel I am able to.

It concerns a post I submitted in which I queried the scale of the investment the club was making with regard to certain key projects, and, as a legitimate criticism, I posed the question: 'Why was it, that "the powers that be" were starting to see fit to reign these plans in a little', querying why we were seemingly not able to fund a long-term plan to develop the infrastructure of the club, whilst at the same making funds available to continue with the ongoing redeveloment of the playing squad. To strengthen my case, and I can't remember the precise phrasing used, but it was something along the lines of how there was a definite whiff of Oystonism (I repeat: 'Oystonism' - not Oyston...) to some of the measures that were starting to emerge at the club, and about how we needed to be bringing a halt to this worrying trend ASAP. I certainly wasn't making any kind of comparison to how the club is being run at present with how it was under the misrule of the odious ones, and it offends me deeply that you should have perceived my attempt to illustrate a particular point in the way I did as being almost tantamount to an act of treachary. For that, I'm afraid you were way off the mark.
 
I think the silly person here is the one who says the chairman didn't act soon enough by not firing our managers soon enough but when Levy acts quickly he's rash .
I'm not saying sadler is perfect and I've criticised several decisions he's made , what I will say about him though is he is a pool fan through and through and that is good enough for my trust.
 
Poolseasider, if I see certain points raised that I fundamentally disagree with, I would normally let such matters pass and keep my own counsel, but, on this occasion, I don't feel I am able to.

It concerns a post I submitted in which I queried the scale of the investment the club was making with regard to certain key projects, and, as a legitimate criticism, I posed the question: 'Why was it, that "the powers that be" were starting to see fit to reign these plans in a little', querying why we were seemingly not able to fund a long-term plan to develop the infrastructure of the club, whilst at the same making funds available to continue with the ongoing redeveloment of the playing squad. To strengthen my case, and I can't remember the precise phrasing used, but it was something along the lines of how there was a definite whiff of Oystonism (I repeat: 'Oystonism' - not Oyston...) to some of the measures that were starting to emerge at the club, and about how we needed to be bringing a halt to this worrying trend ASAP. I certainly wasn't making any kind of comparison to how the club is being run at present with how it was under the misrule of the odious ones, and it offends me deeply that you should have perceived my attempt to illustrate a particular point in the way I did as being almost tantamount to an act of treachary. For that, I'm afraid you were way off the mark.
Those words of our ex owner should never be said/compared to anything of our current regime.

If that is way of the mark or hurts anyone tough shit.

As to funding of players Sadler is and will but the crazy world of the Championship means putting in a couple of million in the kitty gets you stuff all.
Lge 1 is different as SS has already said we will be in the top eight spenders in the league.
We won't even be in the top 8 attendances so more money to fork out.

Now for the infrastructure this will be debt on the clubs books and not debt for players which SS said he wasn't prepared to do a 'Derby' he quoted.

The team will be invested in and the projects ongoing so we are having both obviously not to everyone's level.

So we are where we are, we've just had one really poor season previously two really good ones the Championship is brutal with spending and we can get it right again like 2021-22.👍
 
I think the silly person here is the one who says the chairman didn't act soon enough by not firing our managers soon enough but when Levy acts quickly he's rash .
I'm not saying sadler is perfect and I've criticised several decisions he's made , what I will say about him though is he is a pool fan through and through and that is good enough for my trust.
Is that what was said or is it more accurate to say I said he hired the wrong people in the first place and then didn’t fix his mistakes. Relegation doesn’t lie but seemingly you are not averse to telling porkies.
 
Those words of our ex owner should never be said/compared to anything of our current regime.

If that is way of the mark or hurts anyone tough shit.

As to funding of players Sadler is and will but the crazy world of the Championship means putting in a couple of million in the kitty gets you stuff all.
Lge 1 is different as SS has already said we will be in the top eight spenders in the league.
We won't even be in the top 8 attendances so more money to fork out.

Now for the infrastructure this will be debt on the clubs books and not debt for players which SS said he wasn't prepared to do a 'Derby' he quoted.

The team will be invested in and the projects ongoing so we are having both obviously not to everyone's level.

So we are where we are, we've just had one really poor season previously two really good ones the Championship is brutal with spending and we can get it right again like 2021-22.👍
Really good? Our results were pleasing because we were punching above our weight. But instead of building on that we threw it away and got relegated. That’s on Sadler.
 
Is that what was said or is it more accurate to say I said he hired the wrong people in the first place and then didn’t fix his mistakes. Relegation doesn’t lie but seemingly you are not averse to telling porkies.
You criticised sadler for hiring the wrong managers in Appleton and Mccarthy, then not firing them quick enough . Has he hired the right person this time ? And how long has he got before he should be sacked ?
Relegation needs to be overturned this year at all costs , pressure is on NC , even more so if the chequebook ever comes out.
 
You criticised sadler for hiring the wrong managers in Appleton and Mccarthy, then not firing them quick enough . Has he hired the right person this time ? And how long has he got before he should be sacked ?
Relegation needs to be overturned this year at all costs , pressure is on NC , even more so if the chequebook ever comes out.
Critchley showed his Character in how he did things last time but we all make mistakes and I’m not looking for a best friend so yes I would have taken him on as manager again. My big concern is that when he did leave last time I thought we were heading backwards and that he’d run out of ideas. His performance at QPR did nothing to dissuade me about the unease I felt before.

Firing a manager is not an easy thing to do because he builds a team to reflect his ability level. So if I fire him because the team is not performing I’m still somewhat locked into us playing in a fairly similar fashion. I’d fire if in relegation trouble before last chance to bring in new players was gone.
 
I think we should test the water with the Cods. Put a big bid in for Shaun Rooney and Wiredu, both units but good footballers, ideal for League 1 and higher
 
Critchley showed his Character in how he did things last time but we all make mistakes and I’m not looking for a best friend so yes I would have taken him on as manager again. My big concern is that when he did leave last time I thought we were heading backwards and that he’d run out of ideas. His performance at QPR did nothing to dissuade me about the unease I felt before.
My sentiments exactly , a hell of a lot tougher league one than last time he managed in it .
No doubt he'll have some good contacts but we need to act sharp or lose out again .
 
I think we should test the water with the Cods. Put a big bid in for Shaun Rooney and Wiredu, both units but good footballers, ideal for League 1 and higher
Saw both of them a lot last season and both were excellent, especially Wiredu when he was converted to a centre half from his usual midfield role. Another player I would not say no to is Josh Earl who is left footed and had a great season as left sided centre back, sometimes filling in at left back.
 
That’s opinion not fact and relegation is on Sadler to a large extent. Appoints wrong managers, no plan b and to slow to react.
My opinion as good as yours blaming Sadler I don't.👍
We spent money last summer probably more than the previous summer

We got Keogh,Bowler, Gabriel,Stirling and Whintle on loan then compared to Wright and Thompson this and a load of kids who blow hot and cold on ridiculous wages who will have cost us.

That's down to Mansford not Sadler who wouldn't have a ** scooby on players.
 
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