Our next PM Debate on BBC1

I'm not a fan a fan on these debates whether it be before a general election or this. It came from America where they have a presidential system which is very different to ours. That said people seem to think they are voting for the PM which of course isn't true unless they live in that constituency
 
Truss mentioning the hardships of the 80's/ 90's whilst conveniently omitting that it was a Conservative government and her local MP was a Conservative in Roundhay.
Sunak's that annoying ** that never lets anyone get a word in when you're out having a beer with your mates
 
southshorepool said:
Truss mentioning the hardships of the 80's/ 90's whilst conveniently omitting that it was a Conservative government and her local MP was a Conservative in Roundhay.
Sunak's that annoying ** that never lets anyone get a word in when you're out having a beer with your mates
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She keeps harping on in our local paper how the education system wasn't fit for purpose during her schooldays, and that's why she went into politics.

For the whole of her school years, there was a Tory administration.
 
Sunak showed Truss's economic plan for being a fantasy. However, constantly interrupting her was a little too aggressive. The BBC economics editor also showed the plan to be badly thought out with his observations about long term interest rates.
Sunak wins on content but has probably just pissed off a load of people with his hectoring. Truss still to be PM unfortunately, Sunak looks like he has a clue, Truss just makes meaningless sound bites.
 
I watched Long Lost Families and interestingly they found a brother in Canada with the surname Snotface. 🤣
 
ElBurroSinNombre said:
Sunak showed Truss's economic plan for being a fantasy. However, constantly interrupting her was a little too aggressive. The BBC economics editor also showed the plan to be badly thought out with his observations about long term interest rates.
Sunak wins on content but has probably just pissed off a load of people with his hectoring. Truss still to be PM unfortunately, Sunak looks like he has a clue, Truss just makes meaningless sound bites.
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He constantly interrupted and talked over a woman so that will score well with the Tory party members.
 
I'd favour Sunak as he has appears to have a coherent idea as to what to do , as opposed to Truss, who will be opening supermarkets as a Thatcher look alike going forward. Labour will be in soon, thank fuck !
 
thedevilsadvocate said:
I'd favour Sunak as he has appears to have a coherent idea as to what to do , as opposed to Truss, who will be opening supermarkets as a Thatcher look alike going forward. Labour will be in soon, thank fuck !
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Not whist Captain Charisma is in charge.

Might be honeymoon period for Labour at the mo ( they haven't had a shag for 15 years), but once that is over and they realise Starmer might have to make a decision...........deary me.
 
Bend it like Suddick said:
Not whist Captain Charisma is in charge.

Might be honeymoon period for Labour at the mo ( they haven't had a shag for 15 years), but once that is over and they realise Starmer might have to make a decision...........deary me.
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We've had 13 years of totally wrong decisions.....deary me.
 
Wizaard said:
We've had 13 years of totally wrong decisions.....deary me.
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Maybe Wiz, but heard the old adage....'frying pan and into the fire'?

Besides, I wouldn't trust Starmer organising a Government, and certainly glad he had nothing to do with the Pandemic.

Im certainly not a Labour supporter, but likewise Im neither a Tory one (although if I had to make a choice, I would lean away from Socialism), but Labour can do a lot better than him or Rayner.

I warm towards Lisa Nandy and Andy Burnham.

Oh and 'totally' is naive. The inoculation program under the Tories stewardship is nothing short of amazing, and as a Brexit supporter they did what it says on the tin for me..out of Europe.
 
Bend it like Suddick said:
Maybe Wiz, but heard the old adage....'frying pan and into the fire'?

Besides, I wouldn't trust Starmer organising a Government, and certainly glad he had nothing to do with the Pandemic.

Im certainly not a Labour supporter, but likewise Im neither a Tory one (although if I had to make a choice, I would lean away from Socialism), but Labour can do a lot better than him or Rayner.

I warm towards Lisa Nandy and Andy Burnham.

Oh and 'totally' is naive. The inoculation program under the Tories stewardship is nothing short of amazing, and as a Brexit supporter they did what it says on the tin for me..out of Europe.
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In what way have they delivered on Brexit? Fiasco.
 
Brexit is hugely adding costs and administration to business. I am placing an order for specialist scientific equipment for which the only credible supplier is in the USA. That will add 32% to the cost in terms of import duty and VAT payable to the U.K. Govt. Because we don’t have a trade agreement with the USA after Brexit, and are currently unlikely to get one. Though the EU is in active negotiations for their TA with the USA. Great forward Brexit planning, NOT !

The problem is that our ultimate customer for the equipment is in France. So, after Brexit, we will have to pay another 30-40% taxes on export that the French will want us to pay (and you can be sure they will put goods out of the UK into the highest duty category they can). And, probably, about 50 pages of custom forms. When we were in the EU and the Single Market there was nothing in duties to pay and minimal customs bumf.

Therefore, unless we can pass those export duties onto the ultimate customer, we are paying in the region of 60 to 70% taxes to various Governments on top of the original cost of the scientific equipment (that the UK does not make). And, frankly, we would still be in the same schiesse if the ultimate customer was in Northern Ireland ! Not to mention the admin costs. So much for Brexit being good for British business.

(Yes, I do appreciate we might be able to offset some of the VAT, but that is done at a corporate level within our organisation, our project will still get clobbered).
 
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The most worrying thing about last night's shambles is that both thought Boris was great (10/10 from Rishi). These two are inextricably linked to the mess the country is in, yet neither take any responsibility for it and think they have the solution (albeit diametrically opposed). Why on earth did they not think to mention it over the last 3 years in Cabinet?

Either way, we're goosed.
 
Wizaard said:
The most worrying thing about last night's shambles is that both thought Boris was great (10/10 from Rishi). These two are inextricably linked to the mess the country is in, yet neither take any responsibility for it and think they have the solution (albeit diametrically opposed). Why on earth did they not think to mention it over the last 3 years in Cabinet?

Either way, we're goosed.
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Because, above all else, they are driven by a personal, power quest. Moreover, in the case of Truss, she'll dismiss anyone and anything in order to promote herself.
 
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Bend it like Suddick said:
Maybe Wiz, but heard the old adage....'frying pan and into the fire'?

Besides, I wouldn't trust Starmer organising a Government, and certainly glad he had nothing to do with the Pandemic.

Im certainly not a Labour supporter, but likewise Im neither a Tory one (although if I had to make a choice, I would lean away from Socialism), but Labour can do a lot better than him or Rayner.

I warm towards Lisa Nandy and Andy Burnham.

Oh and 'totally' is naive. The inoculation program under the Tories stewardship is nothing short of amazing, and as a Brexit supporter they did what it says on the tin for me..out of Europe.
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Lisa and Andy are from my area. Must say I like Andy Burnham a lot. Done a few really good things. Seems a people's person. But one thing, His first area has gone to a no go zone, Leigh East. Made me and others go off him a touch.
 
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Lisa and Andy are from my area. Must say I like Andy Burnham a lot. Done a few really good things. Seems a people's person. But one thing, His first area has gone to a no go zone, Leigh East. Made me and others go off him a touch.
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I’ve posted quite a few times that if Andy Burnham or David Miiliband come back as MPs then the Tories are well and truly stuffed at the next GE.
 
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