Pilleys Sister out in June/Pilley in November Apparently

SEASIDE2020 said:
I am not talking about Pilley.

In some cases, persons who had received prison sentences are able to spend some of their sentence at home under curfew.

That's not their remission, it is part of their sentence before remission.

Again, I repeat, I am not commenting on Pilley.
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You are right 2020. If somebody is on an “qualifying curfew”up to sentence or remand it can count.
However, it has to be for a minimum of nine hours per day AND also must be subject to electronic tag or it does not count

If it does count, then you get half a day credit for every day you spent on qualifying curfew

I don’t know for certain, but I very much doubt that AP will have been on tagged curfew
 
Chunkylad said:
Sorry I missed the context MM. Do you work in prisons or have done time?

What are open prisons like in reality?
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Open prisons are meant for the lowest risk men / women.
Literally no physical barriers to contain them in, you would have inevitably the drink drivers, tax frauds etc. type of prisoners in them with the occasional long term prisoner being "tested" prior to release.
Unfortunately the population pressures has seen most suitable prisoners get released on "tag" before they ever get there nowadays and the open population contains prisoners who would never have got within a hundred miles of them, not so long ago.
Open prisons do offer good opportunities to test prisoners I.e. if they can adhere to the conditions and also to prepare them for reintegration back in to society and a normal life.
I remember one Sunday night in the early 90s where, following an incident, men were sat in the association room at 10pm and as the news at q0 was about to come on one old boy asked me if Reginald Bosanquet was still presenting it as he hadn't seen it for 20yrs. The days of men never seeing tv past 7.45pm.
I worked in an open prison for several years and probably the most rewarding part of my service was getting lads in to decent jobs, many of whom managed to keep them after release and hopefully change their lives.

Pilley will be Cat B. Due to the length of sentence and severity of his crime for a good few years yet.
Keeping his nose clean he'll inevitably progress through to Cat D, probably no earlier then 2028 at the very earliest.

Guess I've akready given the answer to the second part you asked. I worked for 32yrs in prisons until retiring not too long ago.
 
Mcewans Mullet said:
Open prisons are meant for the lowest risk men / women.
Literally no physical barriers to contain them in, you would have inevitably the drink drivers, tax frauds etc. type of prisoners in them with the occasional long term prisoner being "tested" prior to release.
Unfortunately the population pressures has seen most suitable prisoners get released on "tag" before they ever get there nowadays and the open population contains prisoners who would never have got within a hundred miles of them, not so long ago.
Open prisons do offer good opportunities to test prisoners I.e. if they can adhere to the conditions and also to prepare them for reintegration back in to society and a normal life.
I remember one Sunday night in the early 90s where, following an incident, men were sat in the association room at 10pm and as the news at q0 was about to come on one old boy asked me if Reginald Bosanquet was still presenting it as he hadn't seen it for 20yrs. The days of men never seeing tv past 7.45pm.
I worked in an open prison for several years and probably the most rewarding part of my service was getting lads in to decent jobs, many of whom managed to keep them after release and hopefully change their lives.

Pilley will be Cat B. Due to the length of sentence and severity of his crime for a good few years yet.
Keeping his nose clean he'll inevitably progress through to Cat D, probably no earlier then 2028 at the very earliest.

Guess I've akready given the answer to the second part you asked. I worked for 32yrs in prisons until retiring not too long ago.
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Do they still suffer the violence and sexual predation, drug abuse of main prisons or very much minimal?
 
tigger said:
You are right 2020. If somebody is on an “qualifying curfew”up to sentence or remand it can count.
However, it has to be for a minimum of nine hours per day AND also must be subject to electronic tag or it does not count

If it does count, then you get half a day credit for every day you spent on qualifying curfew

I don’t know for certain, but I very much doubt that AP will have been on tagged curfew
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Sorry Tigger.

I hope you didn't think I was questioning you.

You will know far more than me and I was just explaining that it is possible for some prisoners - nothing to do with Pilley - to be released from prison but still be serving their time.

Like you, I don't know but I'd doubt that Pilley would be let out under tag because of the length of his service but given the current prison population, I don't think that it'd a million that he could at some point spend some of his sentence under tag or an open prison.

Again though, I'll stress that you will know far me on the subject - I've never been to prison myself !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
SEASIDE2020 said:
Sorry Tigger.

I hope you didn't think I was questioning you.

You will know far more than me and I was just explaining that it is possible for some prisoners - nothing to do with Pilley - to be released from prison but still be serving their time.

Like you, I don't know but I'd doubt that Pilley would be let out under tag because of the length of his service but given the current prison population, I don't think that it'd a million that he could at some point spend some of his sentence under tag or an open prison.

Again though, I'll stress that you will know far me on the subject - I've never been to prison myself !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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There’s time yet 😁
 
Chunkylad said:
Do they still suffer the violence and sexual predation, drug abuse of main prisons or very much minimal?
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Violence is rare in open prisons, simply because people can remove themselves from a situation.
That doesn't mean it doesn't happen but its rare.

You have to accept that a mobile phone which may cost £1k in Garth costs £10 in an open jail, and probably has £5 credit on it.

I found that open prisons accessed drug trends ahead of closed prisons.
An example would be spice. Found a shop bought bag of 'Black Mamba' cost £3.
Got laughed at bringing to the attention of fellow security Governors at a meeting when I raised the matter.
10 momths later they all wanted to know all about it after lads who were good as gold started acting bizarrely, to sat the least.
Within 12 mths it was an endemic across the NW prison population and not long after across the wider estate.
 
Mcewans Mullet said:
Violence is rare in open prisons, simply because people can remove themselves from a situation.
That doesn't mean it doesn't happen but its rare.

You have to accept that a mobile phone which may cost £1k in Garth costs £10 in an open jail, and probably has £5 credit on it.

I found that open prisons accessed drug trends ahead of closed prisons.
An example would be spice. Found a shop bought bag of 'Black Mamba' cost £3.
Got laughed at bringing to the attention of fellow security Governors at a meeting when I raised the matter.
10 momths later they all wanted to know all about it after lads who were good as gold started acting bizarrely, to sat the least.
Within 12 mths it was an endemic across the NW prison population and not long after across the wider estate.
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Absolutely fascinating bud. I have no knowledge at all except anecdotal or tv so really interesting to read an expert account.

Just in case I end up there - is there a decent gym and library? 😉
 
Chunkylad said:
Absolutely fascinating bud. I have no knowledge at all except anecdotal or tv so really interesting to read an expert account.

Just in case I end up there - is there a decent gym and library? 😉
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Lol gyms are always well kitted out, library's are excellent too.
 
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