Please get shut of Nuttall

No point in cancelling his contract and there is in my view no chance anyone would take him. Might as well keep him as an option than loan him out and have to pay the vast bulk of his wages.
 
TeenyFeeney said:
Talk of Hardie and Feeney going - come on Critchers - you’ve missed the obvious. Get shut of Nuttall - he’s hopeless!
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I’am pretty sure it’s not just a case of “get shut”
If you believe reports we paid upwards of £700k for him I’am pretty sure the club would be looking at recuperating back a large slice of that and who’s going to pay good money for him when he's hardly played this season?
 
I genuinely don't understand the grief this young kid gets and somehow Hardie is the saviour. Neither did well for us last season but at least Joe was doing enough in training to be in both Grayson and Critchley's squads.

Nuttall was highly thought of at Blackburn and scored a few in their L1 promotion season. Clearly we have invested a bit more in him so are more likely to show patience. At the very least we should trust NC to make a decision based on what he sees and the qualities he has in the style he wants to play.

Maybe the lad just needs a good pre-season, defined role in the team and a bit of confidence. He wasn't great but he showed a lot more than Hardie did, that I do know.
 
Seaside shuffle said:
That's no way to support the club, and one of our players. Leave the judgement up to Critchley. Working and playing under a different system and manager the lad could come good, get off his back and back our players!
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You best support your club by amongst other things encouraging them to make the right decisions and not dropping clangers and on that basis I fully support the o/p. Nuttall despite being given more opportunities by Grayson, trying to justify his choice than his performances deserved, gave little encouragement for a successful future contribution here, to put it mildly.

Hardie on the other hand, who was given far less opportunity here showed considerable promise and goal scoring ability at Plymouth , is surely entitled to be given a proper chance to prove himself with us.
 
I think I will trust NC in regards Joe Nuttall. He is the right age and type of player he would go out and get. He also took a lot of unjust stick, Gnando could be absolutely hopeless and even though he scored a load of goals there is no way he would have suited NC's style of play.

If he is kept here and NC thinks he has a decent striker then the lad needs our support, not a load of aggro off people who should know better. The O/P is pathetic.
 
Who we get shut off depends on who wants them. It's an unusual market with lots of clubs cutting their costs and thus lots of players available with much better CVs than him. Nuttall has no incentive to go somewhere that will almost certainly offer him significantly less than we are on.

Maybe David Dunn would take him but Barrow aren't going to offer him the contract he got when he came here.

I'd love him to come good and reckon he's a real test of Critch's credentials. It's been observed by many that on paper he's decent but his head isn't right. He has fantastic raw attributes but makes poor decisions and plays the game as if he's a bit scared of getting it wrong.

If there's an answer to that, it's surely coaching by one of the best coaches of upcoming players in the country, if not the world.

There's no point having a coach like that if we've also got a revolving door. Critchley isn't the right man if we want a squad of 'finished articles' - nothing in his CV says that's the sort of squad he's qualified to manage. Everything says he's set up (and his assistant too) to make players better.

If he can turn Nuttall into a player who can use his undoubted raw talent (no, really, he's clearly not a bad player technically, he just doesn't use that in matches) and physical attributes consistently then it'll be fantastic.
 
I'd love him to come good and reckon he's a real test of Critch's credentials. It's been observed by many that on paper he's decent but his head isn't right.

Threads like this aint going to help the lad. Time to get back to how we were in Ollies first season and be supportive of all the players and help nurture them.
 
Am I the only one who was encouraged by Nuttall’s improvement in form and confidence just before lockdown, he scored the last minute winner against Ipswich and I honestly believe Critchley will improve him. I’m rooting for him and I think he’ll surprise a few next season providing he gets opportunities to play. The lad needs support to give him confidence not constant slating on a message board.
 
NewburyOne said:
I genuinely don't understand the grief this young kid gets and somehow Hardie is the saviour. Neither did well for us last season but at least Joe was doing enough in training to be in both Grayson and Critchley's squads.

Nuttall was highly thought of at Blackburn and scored a few in their L1 promotion season. Clearly we have invested a bit more in him so are more likely to show patience. At the very least we should trust NC to make a decision based on what he sees and the qualities he has in the style he wants to play.

Maybe the lad just needs a good pre-season, defined role in the team and a bit of confidence. He wasn't great but he showed a lot more than Hardie did, that I do know.
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Can we dispatch once and for all this ‘young kid’ he is 24 next birthday. This is not a pro or anti Nuttall reply, it is just a statement of fact. He is not a young kid. Rant over, thanks.
 
td53 said:
If he can turn Nuttall into a player who can use his undoubted raw talent (no, really, he's clearly not a bad player technically, he just doesn't use that in matches) and physical attributes consistently then it'll be fantastic.
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Fantastic would certainly be the right word (fantasy) but the fact that he has regularly shown he does not actually use his hidden ability during matches may just present NC with a small problem.

We all want our players to succeed but there comes a time where you have to stop trying to convince yourself of something you really want but that you know deep down Santa just won`t be bringing you.
 
Markobfc said:
Threads like this aint going to help the lad. Time to get back to how we were in Ollies first season and be supportive of all the players and help nurture them.
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Exactly. We've got to play our part in helping build something.

We've sat through a season where a lot of the players looked stifled and played safety first football.

If we're going to change that and if young/emerging players are going to come good then they need enouriging. By definition, players stepping up to league one level, whether from reserves or lower league football are going to make mistakes and have off days.

Critch is a complete novice as well at this job and his assistant has a single season at Molde working at first team level.

We've GOT to give it time and patience and support.

Club is clearly trying to build something and there's times when a half built building looks pretty ugly. It's the nature of the process.
 
Goforgoal said:
Can we dispatch once and for all this ‘young kid’ he is 24 next birthday. This is not a pro or anti Nuttall reply, it is just a statement of fact. He is not a young kid. Rant over, thanks.
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If we are to believe between 27-30 are a players peak years, 23 is relatively young. Adding a year to provide a slant to your argument is flawed also, if you are so keen on statements of fact!!
 
1950`spoolfan said:
You best support your club by amongst other things encouraging them to make the right decisions and not dropping clangers and on that basis I fully support the o/p. Nuttall despite being given more opportunities by Grayson, trying to justify his choice than his performances deserved, gave little encouragement for a successful future contribution here, to put it mildly.
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Well said - those who say you're not supporting the club for highlighting the bleedin' obvious are just blinkered!
 
1950`spoolfan said:
Fantastic would certainly be the right word (fantasy) but the fact that he has regularly shown he does not actually use his hidden ability during matches may just present NC with a small problem.

We all want our players to succeed but there comes a time where you have to stop trying to convince yourself of something you really want but that you know deep down Santa just won`t be bringing you.
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But did Larry's coaching go anything beyond "Ok Joe, go up top and put yourself about a bit" and "right lads, get the cones out"

Nothing I saw in the side last year made me think they'd worked especially hard on individual plans or personal work or been coached to be positive or take risks.

Look at Larry's 'knobhead" reaction to the panenka. It's all the difference in the world to a player who messes up to have a manager who sees the fact you tried and tells you to go again and a manager who chides you for a mistake or blames you for a defeat.

The players who did well generally under Larry were Gnando (who is far more experienced and self assured than Nuttall) and Feeney who has done it for years reliably. They didn't need coaching and coaxing. They already know their game.

Nuttall was poor in the Tranmere game under Critch that's undeniable but maybe six months of observation, coaching, guidance, psychology and a new style of play might work.

It might not, but ultimately, if we're writing off Nuttall as a lost cause, then why are we excited about having one of the world's best coaches here?

Surely we are excited that Critchley is here because he can coach players to improve. Nuttall is the obvious player who is young enough to improve and not fulfilling his potential to date.

Even he just improved enough to flog on. He's obviously at some point looked like a decent player, Blackburn fans rated him, he got game time in the championship. What better challenge to Critchley's qualifications than Super Joe?

He's got all the paper to show he can do it. Big Joe is a real world test.
 
Goforgoal said:
Can we dispatch once and for all this ‘young kid’ he is 24 next birthday. This is not a pro or anti Nuttall reply, it is just a statement of fact. He is not a young kid. Rant over, thanks.
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He's inexperienced and it shows in his game. I think he's started 24 games of football and more than a third of them were for Stranraer which is a bit like saying he's played a bit for Blackpool Mechanics.

I very much take the point others make that he's not lived up to our expectations and it's a stretch to imagine him as a superstar.

It will almost entirely depend on whether he's open to coaching or not. If he isn't, I expect he'll go. If he is, and he's clearly working on the aspects of the game that let him down and open to playing in a different way or in a different role (I honestly don't think he's a striker, his build up play is often quite canny but overshadowed by what he does under pressure) then I'd hope he can mature and improve.

It's a fair point and one he should be aware of cos a 24 year old is unlikely to get as many fresh chances as a 19 year old.
 
Confuses me so much the debate re. Nuttall vs Hardie.

Nuttall wasn't given much of a chance under Grayson other than 10 minutes here and there chasing long balls into the corners or trying to win headers or free kicks. Some sections of the crowd then decided he was awful because he didn't score or do much in those 10 minutes - who the hell would?!

Hardie didn't get much of a chance at all at Blackpool (IMO because of his size and he was never going to win any headers or hold the ball up), he was therefore loaned out at Plymouth and scored goals in a tactic which was obviously more suitable to his game.

My point is if Nuttall was the one who got a chance under a different style of play out on loan then maybe he would have a similar record to Hardie last season - but he wasn't given that opportunity.

Give the lad the ** chance to play in a team that's actually going to play football before writing him off before a ball has been kicked this season.

Some 'fans' haven't a clue.
 
TangerineDan said:
Am I the only one who was encouraged by Nuttall’s improvement in form and confidence just before lockdown, he scored the last minute winner against Ipswich and I honestly believe Critchley will improve him. I’m rooting for him and I think he’ll surprise a few next season providing he gets opportunities to play. The lad needs support to give him confidence not constant slating on a message board.
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I really didn't think he was anywhere near as bad as some people made (and continue to make) him out to be. He was after all playing in a system few flourished in. It was only the fact that Moore, Ronan & KDH were far too good to be playing at L1 level that they stood out in what was a shambolic team with little if any direction. Bola is another prime example of a player who we know has talent but looked hopeless under Grayson.

We have seen some absolutely terrible players at this club over the years, Nuttall doesn't come remotely close to being as bad as any of them. It's symptomatic of the "want it all now" nature of football fans nowadays who have watched too much top flight football whilst we were all boycotting and are somehow expecting League One to be of a similar standard.

Let's give NC and all the players our support and see where we end up, getting on anyone's back isn't gonna help in the slightest.
 
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All new managers will evaluate the players and NC will be no different, will Nuttall come good!?
Common sense dictates he should be given a chance it's happened in the past players can flourish under a new manager.
So if you read this message board Joe prove your doubters wrong.
It's down too you Good luck.
 
I think it's telling that both players involved in our only goal threat last season - Feeney supplying Gnanduillet - are being let go. Clearly our style will be nothing like it was last season, so it stands to reason different players will shine. Let's see what happens first. Asking for a player to be sold when he started just 9 games last season, in a struggling team that played a horrible brand of football is not sufficient to judge.
 
We're stuck with him. But all is not lost.

Anyone saying it'd be bad business to get rid of him - I can't agree. If we can get any kind of fee for him (within reason) I think it'd be wise to cut our losses. The fact is he's 23 and hasn't proven he can play first team football yet, never mind (we hope) upper-end League One. He has a long way to go to earn a chance to prove that, never mind actually do it.

However, I do agree with those who say he might well be better in a better footballing team. He'll need work, more than the average 23-year-old as he looked completely lost at times last season. The good thing is our attacking performances hopefully won't depend on whether or not he's any good as we've backed Critchley with attacking signings in the transfer market. Anything we get out of Nuttall from hereon in will be a very juicy bonus.

As I've said previously on Nuttall, a lot needs to go in his favour we really should accept the odds are against him. But it's not too late to make a success of it.
 
Deserves another chance under NC but if memory serves correct he started/featured quite a bit more than Hardie and didn’t do much and looking uninterested for most of it, u think that’s what got three fans backs up.
 
Brett&Murphs. said:
Deserves another chance under NC but if memory serves correct he started/featured quite a bit more than Hardie and didn’t do much and looking uninterested for most of it, u think that’s what got three fans backs up.
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The "didn't look interested" part is harsh IMO. He just didn't look like he understood what he was doing. Still, it was all the excuse an element of our "support" needed to turn themselves purple screaming dog's abuse at him at away games 🤷‍♂️
 
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NewburyOne said:
If we are to believe between 27-30 are a players peak years, 23 is relatively young. Adding a year to provide a slant to your argument is flawed also, if you are so keen on statements of fact!!
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I didn’t add a year, I said 24 next birthday, factamundo. 27-30 may be peak years but a player needs to show something before the age of 24, happy ?
 
Grayth said:
The "didn't look interested" part is harsh IMO. He just didn't look like he understood what he was doing. Still, it was all the excuse an element of our "support" needed to turn themselves purple screaming dog's abuse at him away games 🤷‍♂️
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I want him to do well, and agree with most neither Nuttall and Hardie or any of the squad got a chance last year.

The thing that concerns me is Nuttall never wanted to be here. Dunn and Grayson pushed it through. Neither of them are here any more.

That more than anything doesn’t bode well.
 
Goforgoal said:
I didn’t add a year, I said 24 next birthday, factamundo. 27-30 may be peak years but a player needs to show something before the age of 24, happy ?
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Why not just say he is 23 then? Because 24 adds more weight to your argument. I'd disagree with showing something, he clearly did at Blackburn to get games there and for many clubs to be chasing him last summer. I've seen flashes of a player, albeit not as much as we'd all like. He was excellent away at Ipswich, worked tirelessly and scored a very good goal. I think the main problem was expectations.

How some of our fans can laud Hardie who was shockingly poor in pretty much all 1st team games for us and turn on Nuttall is a bit of a joke. Maybe some of these so called supporters need a dictionary!
 
NewburyOne said:
Why not just say he is 23 then? Because 24 adds more weight to your argument. I'd disagree with showing something, he clearly did at Blackburn to get games there and for many clubs to be chasing him last summer. I've seen flashes of a player, albeit not as much as we'd all like. He was excellent away at Ipswich, worked tirelessly and scored a very good goal. I think the main problem was expectations.

How some of our fans can laud Hardie who was shockingly poor in pretty much all 1st team games for us and turn on Nuttall is a bit of a joke. Maybe some of these so called supporters need a dictionary!
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They were both as impotent as each other, neither can be lauded and neither should be derided. I actually though Hardie did show a few glimpses of what he could do, Nuttall did to.

Nuttall showed us far more of the bad stuff after a Christmas where as Hardie went and had a successful loan spell. I think that’s where the disparity lies.

I reiterate, Nuttall never wanted to join us. That is worrying and I can see that manifesting it’s self again next season. Probably even more so, if the likes of Anderson and Yates who see eager and willing storm the league.
 
NewburyOne said:
Why not just say he is 23 then? Because 24 adds more weight to your argument. I'd disagree with showing something, he clearly did at Blackburn to get games there and for many clubs to be chasing him last summer. I've seen flashes of a player, albeit not as much as we'd all like. He was excellent away at Ipswich, worked tirelessly and scored a very good goal. I think the main problem was expectations.

How some of our fans can laud Hardie who was shockingly poor in pretty much all 1st team games for us and turn on Nuttall is a bit of a joke. Maybe some of these so called supporters need a dictionary!
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I am not attacking Nuttall nor supporting Hardie. But what I will say is Nuttall had far more first team opportunities than Hardie but didn’t impress me any more. I take your point about Ipswich and I hoped after seeing that we were about to see our investment come good, bitterly disappointed unfortunately. My wife who only goes to football occasionally (fool) accompanied me to Tranmere away, bear in mind my remark about her football knowledge, she said to me, without prompting, who is he, he is bone idle. She went on to say he doesn’t seem to want the ball and he doesn’t look interested. For a part time watcher, I thought, a very astute observation. Whilst Critchley may be one of the best coaches in Europe, I don’t believe he can coach interest or enthusiasm both of which he seems to sadly lack. Hardie while equally lacking in the skills department at least showed some energy and enthusiasm. Coaching may improve him, but I am afraid I have completely lost hope for Nuttall 😟 Having said that I would love him to prove me wrong.
 
Maybe Nuttall turned up and saw where the club was heading under Grayson and that transferred to his attitude?
If training was as disorganised and directionless as the formations, game plans & performances, it's no wonder Nuttall lost interest; we all certainly did.

I'm not excusing his attitude, but it may well be a valid reason. All players are different and need to be coached and handled accordingly.
If Critchley and Garrity can spark something in Nuttall we may end up getting the player we all thought we were when he arrived so highly rated from t'Rovers.
 
Goforgoal said:
I am not attacking Nuttall nor supporting Hardie. But what I will say is Nuttall had far more first team opportunities than Hardie but didn’t impress me any more. I take your point about Ipswich and I hoped after seeing that we were about to see our investment come good, bitterly disappointed unfortunately. My wife who only goes to football occasionally (fool) accompanied me to Tranmere away, bear in mind my remark about her football knowledge, she said to me, without prompting, who is he, he is bone idle. She went on to say he doesn’t seem to want the ball and he doesn’t look interested. For a part time watcher, I thought, a very astute observation. Whilst Critchley may be one of the best coaches in Europe, I don’t believe he can coach interest or enthusiasm both of which he seems to sadly lack. Hardie while equally lacking in the skills department at least showed some energy and enthusiasm. Coaching may improve him, but I am afraid I have completely lost hope for Nuttall 😟 Having said that I would love him to prove me wrong.
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He did look lost in quite a few of the games he played. In honesty there were times under Grayson when I was unsure what our plan was. I'm hoping that Critchley has a way of getting what he wants across to our players much better. Time will tell, my point is that it should be a fresh start for Nuttall and all our players, OPs like this one are extremely poor IMO.
 
Not sure where I stand on this one. Not in favour of singling anyone out, but there again have seen enough of him to know he wouldn't get in the first team with who we now have.
 
As I pointed out in an earlier post, the deadline closes in October this year and both Nuttall and Hardie should both have a pre season with us to give Critchley the best idea of who fits into his system the best. I'm not lauding Hardie at all Newbury, I think he deserves more of a chance than Grayson gave him. To sell him now to Plymouth would be stupid !
 
NewburyOne said:
Why not just say he is 23 then? Because 24 adds more weight to your argument. I'd disagree with showing something, he clearly did at Blackburn to get games there and for many clubs to be chasing him last summer. I've seen flashes of a player, albeit not as much as we'd all like. He was excellent away at Ipswich, worked tirelessly and scored a very good goal. I think the main problem was expectations.

How some of our fans can laud Hardie who was shockingly poor in pretty much all 1st team games for us and turn on Nuttall is a bit of a joke. Maybe some of these so called supporters need a dictionary!
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Scored a good goal? It was placed on his head 3 yards from goal with no one near him and he still managed to hit the keeper! It then rebounded to him a yard out and even Joey Deacon could have put it in from that distance.
Nowhere near good enough in my opinion. And that wouldn’t bother me particularly if I thought he was busting a gut but his general demeanour gives the impression he thinks he’s better than he is and he’s somehow ended up at a level beneath him. If we can get someone to take him off the wage bill I’d bite their hand off, even if someone offered to pay 50 per cent of his wages (lower league Sanchez) I’d let them have him.
 
Critchley has stated that he wants to use Nuttall out wide in the west stand handing out face masks and blankies.

Only Joking - clean slate hopefully Nuttall grabs his chance.
 
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