Pool in bother again - seems like deep shit if true.

B_Side_The_C_Side said:
You are quite unique in your total obsession with Sadler...and EVERY comment you make about him, is blinded by your bias for the guy?
I would say that 99% of your comments are just you, having a go at the guy.

Can you tell me any actual facts that would make me (or anyone else) actually understand why he's not the right owner.....?
I would love to understand what are you not 'convinced' by, that the majority of fans can't see?
What has he done that says he's not 100% behind the club.........What convinced you that will convince me?

I don't think you can blame him for the managers they hire.....it's a lottery, you pick the best and if they don't work out....you hire another one
Look what happened at clubs like Hull, Birmingham, Sunderland, PNE, Wet Spam......It's always a managerial merry-go-round

So there's no real reason to call me a ** or have a go, it's a simple question
But i'm off to bed.....I will have a wonderful nights sleep under my Simon Sadler duvet and pillow.....
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"I don't think you can blame him for the managers they hire.....it's a lottery, you pick the best and if they don't work out....you hire another one"

●Critchley - football dross. 12 away flops.
●McCarthy
●Appleton
●Grayson

The best?

Who could have proved worse?
 
Can Sadlers assets be frozen at the next hearing ? I know this case is in Hong kong but what powers do they have and what are the implications?
 
It’s rare in Hong Kong to put a hedge fund manager on trial

JPMorgan Chase & Co. and Nomura Holdings Inc. limiting their exposure to the fund

Sadler has almost $290 million invested in Segantii


Three snippets from the article that the head in the sand, nothing to see here, ostriches will no doubt ignore with their blind faith that Sadler is “a good un” and the club won’t be affected in any way.
 
clappers said:
It’s rare in Hong Kong to put a hedge fund manager on trial

JPMorgan Chase & Co. and Nomura Holdings Inc. limiting their exposure to the fund

Sadler has almost $290 million invested in Segantii


Three snippets from the article that the head in the sand, nothing to see here, ostriches will no doubt ignore with their blind faith that Sadler is “a good un” and the club won’t be affected in any way.
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I just prefer to live my life hoping for the best rather than wishing for the worst.
Anyway it doesn't matter because that super volcano in Yellowstone Park is long overdue so that will wipe out most of us.
 
Insider said:
I just prefer to live my life hoping for the best rather than wishing for the worst.
Anyway it doesn't matter because that super volcano in Yellowstone Park is long overdue so that will wipe out most of us.
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We spent way too long a time hoping for the best under the Oystons. I agree there have been areas of progress under Sadler which is why I’m worried. Enjoy the rest of your day in the sunlit uplands insider 👍
 
clappers said:
We spent way too long a time hoping for the best under the Oystons. I agree there have been areas of progress under Sadler which is why I’m worried. Enjoy the rest of your day in the sunlit uplands insider 👍
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I am actually heading out later to the uplands of East Lancashire (Bacup) if the snow has melted. It's bandit country up there. If they check me at the border crossing and find I've only got 5 fingers I'll be lucky to get back alive. 😁
 
Weird thing is for someone who lives in the cut and thrust of high-risk finance, he's extremely risk averse when it comes to BFC.
Or maybe sticking with a manager who picks the wrong players, then plays them out of position, lacks motivational skills, and has poor tactical awareness - is high risk.
 
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Dave62 said:
Beat me to it. That's my worry because buyers weren't exactly queuing round the block when SS bought the club.
Either way, it would be good if SS could find a reliable investment partner to part-own the club.
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Remember… five years is a long time in football and buying English clubs is very en vogue.
There are people interested in buying Blackpool
 
Vince McLean said:
Weird thing is for someone who lives in the cut and thrust of high-risk finance, he's extremely risk averse when it comes to BFC.
Or maybe sticking with a manager who picks the wrong players, then plays them out of position, lacks motivational skills, and has poor tactical awareness - is high risk.
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I'm not sure he was to begin with but the problems he is having do seem to have changed how things have gone since our first season in the Champ. Maybe it's why Critch left? Critch does seems to be offering Simon some stability on the playing side, irrespective of playing style. Marv made an interesting comment suggesting he wants to play higher but the club have a different agenda! Worrying times as so many people have bailed out from the club in the past 12 months.
 
TimperleyTangerine said:
Indeed, because when you drill down, the club is not much further on from when SS took over. We have infrastructure plans, but they are just that, with significant investment needed. We are L1 again and the good feeling vibe has gone, really due to the turgid football under Critchley.

One thing SS can do is get rid of Critchley and boost ST sales. If he then has to sell the club, it would be a more attractive proposition.

Sad state of affairs really, not least because of concerns about the quality of summer recruitment.
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Fundamentally it is a long way on from the vermin.

The pitch is professionally maintained and holds up well. The training ground is light years improved compared to Bowlheads ‘centre of excellance’. The community trust work is far improved. Also maintaining the stadium actually happens. Internally inside BR it looks as you would want it to look with strong branding and acknowledge of our history.

We have recruited in all areas of coaching, fitness, science and analysis so in all manners act like a Championship club.

I appreciate we are back where we were when he took over but that doesn’t justify stating that nothing has changed since Rapey as the club off the pitch is unrecognisable from the vermin.

It doesn’t mean it’s not open to criticism (communication etc) but to say it’s not improved is bollox
 
Chunkylad said:
Fundamentally it is a long way on from the vermin.

The pitch is professionally maintained and holds up well. The training ground is light years improved compared to Bowlheads ‘centre of excellance’. The community trust work is far improved. Also maintaining the stadium actually happens. Internally inside BR it looks as you would want it to look with strong branding and acknowledge of our history.

We have recruited in all areas of coaching, fitness, science and analysis so in all manners act like a Championship club.

I appreciate we are back where we were when he took over but that doesn’t justify stating that nothing has changed since Rapey as the club off the pitch is unrecognisable from the vermin.

It doesn’t mean it’s not open to criticism (communication etc) but to say it’s not improved is bollox
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Well said. The clowns that say we’re no further on than when he took over clearly didn’t drive past the ground during the first 18 months his ownership. It was a damn sight more than a lick of paint that was needed.

Like you say, it doesn’t mean there can’t be criticism, but people wanting him out should be careful what they wish for.
 
Chunkylad said:
Fundamentally it is a long way on from the vermin.

The pitch is professionally maintained and holds up well. The training ground is light years improved compared to Bowlheads ‘centre of excellance’. The community trust work is far improved. Also maintaining the stadium actually happens. Internally inside BR it looks as you would want it to look with strong branding and acknowledge of our history.

We have recruited in all areas of coaching, fitness, science and analysis so in all manners act like a Championship club.

I appreciate we are back where we were when he took over but that doesn’t justify stating that nothing has changed since Rapey as the club off the pitch is unrecognisable from the vermin.

It doesn’t mean it’s not open to criticism (communication etc) but to say it’s not improved is bollox
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Where did I say nothing has changed, your words Chunky.

What I said was that we have a lot of plans, but they are just that. From an investment point of view, should he need to sell, there is a lot to do.

Yes we have a better pitch, yes the training ground is better, yet still far off some L2 and NL clubs. Nobody can doubt we have moved forward, but those things are the basic requirements.

There is no comparison to O’s, again your words.
 
Mark_GT said:
I think notwithstanding the charge which will run its own course, the noise and reputational challenge in the markets could make life very challenging. Would be good to hear more from the club.
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By club, presumably you mean SS as nobody else will know. He's hardly in a position to say anything right now.
 
TimperleyTangerine said:
Where did I say nothing has changed, your words Chunky.

What I said was that we have a lot of plans, but they are just that. From an investment point of view, should he need to sell, there is a lot to do.

Yes we have a better pitch, yes the training ground is better, yet still far off some L2 and NL clubs. Nobody can doubt we have moved forward, but those things are the basic requirements.

There is no comparison to O’s, again your words.
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“Indeed, because when you drill down, the club is not much further on from when SS took over.”

These were your words not mine.
 
Chunkylad said:
“Indeed, because when you drill down, the club is not much further on from when SS took over.”

These were your words not mine.
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Thek key bit is 'drill down'.

Well of course if you do that all you'll see is darkness and it'll look very similar indeed to the past.

Its a weird way to assess the club but maybe he was drilling for the Ormerod money?
 
Loco said:
By club, presumably you mean SS as nobody else will know. He's hardly in a position to say anything right now.
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That's true. The club could set up and announce a fans forum for the summer though. It's overdue.
 
Chunkylad said:
“Indeed, because when you drill down, the club is not much further on from when SS took over.”

These were your words not mine.
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Yes, but you’re placing a different emphasis on what I posted. You’re pointing to the very basics of a football club. I don’t disagree, but we need to think how a new potential owner would look at it.

Under the O’s the basics weren’t attended to, but I’m referring to a potential investor, should Simon need to sell. I don’t think pointing to a green pitch and better yet still inadequate training ground is going to make investors say wow.

So yes, when you drill down we are still L1, with a temporary stand and basic training ground. They are the big issues for any new investor.

I’m not knocking Simon and fingers crossed all will be well. However, we have to be realistic about where we are. What worries me most, as I posted, is that Critchley has killed the vibe.
 
Vince McLean said:
Weird thing is for someone who lives in the cut and thrust of high-risk finance, he's extremely risk averse when it comes to BFC.
Or maybe sticking with a manager who picks the wrong players, then plays them out of position, lacks motivational skills, and has poor tactical awareness - is high risk.
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Not so much a case of 'is high risk' - as to be, if we're being honest here, 'down-right wreckless, foolhardy, dangerous, crass, and misguided'.

And don't even get me started on the negatives ...
 
Chunkylad said:
Fundamentally it is a long way on from the vermin.

The pitch is professionally maintained and holds up well. The training ground is light years improved compared to Bowlheads ‘centre of excellance’. The community trust work is far improved. Also maintaining the stadium actually happens. Internally inside BR it looks as you would want it to look with strong branding and acknowledge of our history.

We have recruited in all areas of coaching, fitness, science and analysis so in all manners act like a Championship club.

I appreciate we are back where we were when he took over but that doesn’t justify stating that nothing has changed since Rapey as the club off the pitch is unrecognisable from the vermin.

It doesn’t mean it’s not open to criticism (communication etc) but to say it’s not improved is bollox
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And that is what is good, it's not all bad, there have been lots of positives like this, but the last 2 seasons have been so disappointing, the season before last was just awful and last season was a wasted opportunity because of a manager who was stubborn to the extreme around his formation which put players in positions they clearly weren't comfortable with and this season in particular, the squad of our own players was very weak. We now need around 10 new players and still have the same manager. Add that to the new Sadler allegations, which we all hope will lead to nothing, it all adds to the concern around the progress of the club and the progress of the football team, which appears to be going downwards. As Marv has just said; it's going in a different direction to what he likes and that is a worry.

Edit to add; Reading TT's last post, he is right. Although Simon steadied everything once the vermin were kicked out he did what any new owner would have done, TG, Pitch, infrastructure etc., however, he's hardly pushed the boat out has he? He's done what was required and it seems to be standing still now.

So, improvement off the pitch, certainly, but we need to see some real ambition over the next 3 months and some further improvements off the pitch or concerns will just grow.
 
So summing up both Herts and Timperley posts. SS improved many things off the pitch from the previous owners to a standard that should be expected of a club (as any owner should do).

On the pitch we started off with success and now have stagnated. There are also fears now that due to his forthcoming court case that no further improvements will be made?

On the pitch many demand the manager to be removed for missing the play offs by 3 points with a defensive football style.
The club have released the usual end of season retained list with 1 player we all would have kept gone (wants to play at a higher level) and the rest nobody is too bothered about?
 
Chunkylad said:
So summing up both Herts and Timperley posts. SS improved many things off the pitch from the previous owners to a standard that should be expected of a club (as any owner should do).

On the pitch we started off with success and now have stagnated. There are also fears now that due to his forthcoming court case that no further improvements will be made?

On the pitch many demand the manager to be removed for missing the play offs by 3 points with a defensive football style.
The club have released the usual end of season retained list with 1 player we all would have kept gone (wants to play at a higher level) and the rest nobody is too bothered about?
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Hmm, not quite, nothing to do with missing the play offs by 3 points, we missed the playoffs and the football on show was awful. No issue with who was released but it shows how poor our recruitment has been of players we have signed and not loans. There are still several players who we would be better off without but are still contracted and let’s see who are sold by the end of the summer transfer window. We do have a chance to completely rebuild the squad so it will be interesting to see how that goes but we will still have Critchley as manager plus how much budget will we have for players?

The football club had to be Improved otherwise it would have collapsed but I wouldn’t say it is yet up to the he standard expected of a club in our position, don’t you think more could have been done? Maybe it is being but he communication from the club is atrocious.

We will find out over the next 6 months won’t we?
 
hertfordseasider said:
Hmm, not quite, nothing to do with missing the play offs by 3 points, we missed the playoffs and the football on show was awful. No issue with who was released but it shows how poor our recruitment has been of players we have signed and not loans. There are still several players who we would be better off without but are still contracted and let’s see who are sold by the end of the summer transfer window. We do have a chance to completely rebuild the squad so it will be interesting to see how that goes but we will still have Critchley as manager plus how much budget will we have for players?

The football club had to be Improved otherwise it would have collapsed but I wouldn’t say it is yet up to the he standard expected of a club in our position, don’t you think more could have been done? Maybe it is being but he communication from the club is atrocious.

We will find out over the next 6 months won’t we?
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I honestly don’t know Herts - except for the area around communications with the fans where BST should I guess be intervening to advise what fans expect.

I honestly don’t know because the facts are he puts in £5m a year. That’s the budget. Anymore requires a new owner (which I know you want). So with that £5m you are debating his choices:

A) Spend more on the pitch and all the things like pitch repair, training ground improvements etc listed above wouldn’t have happened.
B) Do even more off the pitch and we can’t afford to sign players crazy wage demands (£6k a week and rising) or signing fees / loans.

It’s not a computer game. The budget is clear in the accounts so which one do you choose? Put ST prices and merchandise up to get more of A & B?
Sack the manager and replace with a new exciting manager - will that make a fundamental difference? What if new manager wants more of A to fund his winning drive to promotion that never materialises?

It’s not easy at all running any business unless you have a massive customer base and a huge budget. I’m not sure at all which way i would turn to make you all happy?
 
Chunkylad said:
I honestly don’t know Herts - except for the area around communications with the fans where BST should I guess be intervening to advise what fans expect.

I honestly don’t know because the facts are he puts in £5m a year. That’s the budget. Anymore requires a new owner (which I know you want). So with that £5m you are debating his choices:

A) Spend more on the pitch and all the things like pitch repair, training ground improvements etc listed above wouldn’t have happened.
B) Do even more off the pitch and we can’t afford to sign players crazy wage demands (£6k a week and rising) or signing fees / loans.

It’s not a computer game. The budget is clear in the accounts so which one do you choose? Put ST prices and merchandise up to get more of A & B?
Sack the manager and replace with a new exciting manager - will that make a fundamental difference? What if new manager wants more of A to fund his winning drive to promotion that never materialises?

It’s not easy at all running any business unless you have a massive customer base and a huge budget. I’m not sure at all which way i would turn to make you all happy?
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No one said it was easy and it will all unfold irrespective of our opinions, no one can predict the future but we have to learn from the past. Good conversation though, just how long t should be and at he end of the day we both want the same result. It’s a shame others can’t discuss things like this.
 
Chunkylad said:
So summing up both Herts and Timperley posts. SS improved many things off the pitch from the previous owners to a standard that should be expected of a club (as any owner should do).

On the pitch we started off with success and now have stagnated. There are also fears now that due to his forthcoming court case that no further improvements will be made?

On the pitch many demand the manager to be removed for missing the play offs by 3 points with a defensive football style.
The club have released the usual end of season retained list with 1 player we all would have kept gone (wants to play at a higher level) and the rest nobody is too bothered about?
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There’s not much wrong in all honesty
 
Chunkylad said:
I honestly don’t know Herts - except for the area around communications with the fans where BST should I guess be intervening to advise what fans expect.
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Chunky

like this, you mean?

www.blackpoolsupporterstrust.com

BST response to BFC's "Seasiders Together" charter.

for Blackpool Fans, our Club and our CommunityAll, This response has been sent to the club today and consists of BST members feedback and the thoughts of the BST Committee.We look forward to future dialogue to help improve the process for all involved.SEASIDERS TOGETHER: BLACKPOOL SUPPORTERS...
www.blackpoolsupporterstrust.com www.blackpoolsupporterstrust.com
 
basilrobbie3 said:
Chunky

like this, you mean?

www.blackpoolsupporterstrust.com

BST response to BFC's "Seasiders Together" charter.

for Blackpool Fans, our Club and our CommunityAll, This response has been sent to the club today and consists of BST members feedback and the thoughts of the BST Committee.We look forward to future dialogue to help improve the process for all involved.SEASIDERS TOGETHER: BLACKPOOL SUPPORTERS...
www.blackpoolsupporterstrust.com www.blackpoolsupporterstrust.com
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Yup - just like that!
 
basilrobbie3 said:
Chunky

like this, you mean?

www.blackpoolsupporterstrust.com

BST response to BFC's "Seasiders Together" charter.

for Blackpool Fans, our Club and our CommunityAll, This response has been sent to the club today and consists of BST members feedback and the thoughts of the BST Committee.We look forward to future dialogue to help improve the process for all involved.SEASIDERS TOGETHER: BLACKPOOL SUPPORTERS...
www.blackpoolsupporterstrust.com www.blackpoolsupporterstrust.com
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Were any of those points ever addressed?
 
I don’t fancy his chances facing down a show trial in a communist tyranny. Businessmen just disappear in China and resurface months later professing fealty to Xi and the CCP. Not good. They’ll probably dangle fish hooks down his throat to make him talk.
 
Insider said:
I just prefer to live my life hoping for the best rather than wishing for the worst.
Anyway it doesn't matter because that super volcano in Yellowstone Park is long overdue so that will wipe out most of us.
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Shits self and does research 😁

If the supervolcano underneath Yellowstone National Park ever had another massive eruption, it could spew ash for thousands of miles across the United States, damaging buildings, smothering crops, and shutting down power plants. It'd be a huge disaster.

A SUPER-ERUPTION WOULD BE HORRIFIC — THOUGH ALSO PRETTY UNLIKELY

But that doesn't mean we should all start freaking out. The odds of that happening are thankfully pretty low. The Yellowstone supervolcano — thousands of times more powerful than a regular volcano — has only had three truly enormous eruptions in history. One occurred 2.1 million years ago, one 1.3 million years ago, and one 664,000 years ago.

And despite what you sometimes hear in the press, there's no indication that we're due for another "super-eruption" anytime soon. In fact, it's even possible that Yellowstone might never have an eruption that large ag
 
TonyParrsDodgyMic said:
Shits self and does research 😁

If the supervolcano underneath Yellowstone National Park ever had another massive eruption, it could spew ash for thousands of miles across the United States, damaging buildings, smothering crops, and shutting down power plants. It'd be a huge disaster.

A SUPER-ERUPTION WOULD BE HORRIFIC — THOUGH ALSO PRETTY UNLIKELY

But that doesn't mean we should all start freaking out. The odds of that happening are thankfully pretty low. The Yellowstone supervolcano — thousands of times more powerful than a regular volcano — has only had three truly enormous eruptions in history. One occurred 2.1 million years ago, one 1.3 million years ago, and one 664,000 years ago.

And despite what you sometimes hear in the press, there's no indication that we're due for another "super-eruption" anytime soon. In fact, it's even possible that Yellowstone might never have an eruption that large ag
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Thanks for the geology. 😁
 
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