Post Office Enquiry (Van Den Bogerd giving evidence today)

Delfino said:
Singh's email started with 'having read the papers....' ... Sir Wyn picked him up on that too.
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Yep. I mean, when there's someone being questioned who has just told a clear, bare-faced lie, why bother asking him anything else? It's all just nonsense and nothing he's says can be trusted.
 
I think this destroying minutes is going to come back to haunt them again and again. Despite the protestations that it was the Civil lawyers, it just highlights to Joe Bloggs that they knew stuff that they did not want disclosed. All the arguments about angels on the head of a pin about what should and shouldn't have been disclosed and when, meat and drink to damages claims.

I had assumed that this Gareth Jenkins was the chief villain, but the evidence of the last two days that he was NEVER actually instructed in his duties to both defence and prosecution as an Expert is utterly unbelievable.

And at the end of the day, this bunch of lying, incompetent buckpassers caused suicides, bankruptcies, lost relationships, mental health issues, purely to protect the reputation of their businesses. "I never considered " was a common response, you were paid to consider, you were / are officers of the court!
 
BFC_53 said:
Yep. I mean, when there's someone being questioned who has just told a clear, bare-faced lie, why bother asking him anything else? It's all just nonsense and nothing he's says can be trusted.
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Because that elicits more lies from a witness on oath. There is a whole chain of lies that will eventually lead far up into the senior management, execs and PO Board. The more evidence of this that is documented in the public inquiry will convince it that there was a widespread conspiracy to commit a cover-up over the fraud.

What must not be overlooked also was that this conspiracy was cascaded down by the executives and senior managers even to the level of the Post Office Area Managers who were in direct contact with the SPMs. They were all instructed to tell each and every SPM that they were unique and the only person having cash shortfall problems. The conspiracy included the telephone “help-line” operators as trained and directed by Angela van den Bogerd.
 
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Execute the lot of them..

I thought Local Government (which I have been in for over 40yrs) were incompetent fu**wits on occasions, but this Private entity makes us look super competent
 
Limechase said:
I thought Local Government (which I have been in for over 40yrs) were incompetent fu**wits on occasions, but this Private entity makes us look super competent
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It’s all part of the creeping malaise over the past 30+ years for those high up in the civil service, local government, public utilities and privatised government services to award themselves increasingly higher salary packages, heading over a million £££s, as if they were dynamic captains of industry.

Whereas, in fact, they are mediocre jobsworths who have slowly climbed up the organisation through many decades of pusillanimity and become morally corrupted into their institutionalised apparatchik behaviour. And will do anything to protect their undeserved privileges.
 
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Archibald Knox said:
Because that elicits more lies from a witness on oath. There is a whole chain of lies that will eventually lead far up into the senior management, execs and PO Board. The more evidence of this that is documented in the public inquiry will convince it that there was a widespread conspiracy to commit a cover-up over the fraud.

What must not be overlooked also was that this conspiracy was cascaded down by the executives and senior managers even to the level of the Post Office Area Managers who were in direct contact with the SPMs. They were all instructed to tell each and every SPM that they were unique and the only person having cash shortfall problems. The conspiracy included the telephone “help-line” operators as trained and directed by Angela van den Bogerd.
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In the meantime, as senior people in the PO, they were no doubt getting bonuses on the back of dubious profits, as sub postmasters paid their own money in for non existent shortfalls.
 
Archibald Knox said:
Because that elicits more lies from a witness on oath. There is a whole chain of lies that will eventually lead far up into the senior management, execs and PO Board. The more evidence of this that is documented in the public inquiry will convince it that there was a widespread conspiracy to commit a cover-up over the fraud.

What must not be overlooked also was that this conspiracy was cascaded down by the executives and senior managers even to the level of the Post Office Area Managers who were in direct contact with the SPMs. They were all instructed to tell each and every SPM that they were unique and the only person having cash shortfall problems. The conspiracy included the telephone “help-line” operators as trained and directed by Angela van den Bogerd.
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It’s like some weird sci-fi movie where everyone has been programmed to say the same things, except the movie would probably win a raspberry for being too far fetched.
 
While Mr Singh made a good job of incriminating himself today, the endemic amnesia among PO execs was still all too evident.

It's just a shame that Jason Beer can't ask for them all to be waterboarded.
That would improve their memories.
 
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