Rivalry between North End and 'pool?

Norfolk White

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Does anyone know when this rivelry between us and them started? I asked my dad about it before he died and he said that when he was younger the main derby and rivalry was between us and Rovers but it was a more friendly rivalry without any real trouble. However, he couldn't remember when Blackpool became our main rivals.
Thanks
 
Does anyone know when this rivelry between us and them started? I asked my dad about it before he died and he said that when he was younger the main derby and rivalry was between us and Rovers but it was a more friendly rivalry without any real trouble. However, he couldn't remember when Blackpool became our main rivals.
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Jimmy Armfield always put the antagonistic aspect down to us going up and Nobbers going down in 1970. Before that, it wasn't as tribal, but when we turned up with over 20,000 in a 34,000 gate, it triggered a different level.

Before that it was who was best, Finney or Matthews.

Obviously, only one of them won the Ballon D'Or😂
 
I'm guessing here, not being of that era, but did it basically start with the rise of terrace fighting, whenever that was - late 60s?

Going off footage from early periods when everyone stood together, I imagine there was a lot of banter and wind up, but that probably happened any time a visiting fan was there.

I've heard some folks say they went to watch one local club one week, then another the week after if the fixtures worked out that way. Blackburn/Burnley for example. Did that apply with us/Preston at one time as well?
 
I'm guessing here, not being of that era, but did it basically start with the rise of terrace fighting, whenever that was - late 60s?

Going off footage from early periods when everyone stood together, I imagine there was a lot of banter and wind up, but that probably happened any time a visiting fan was there.

I've heard some folks say they went to watch one local club one week, then another the week after if the fixtures worked out that way. Blackburn/Burnley for example. Did that apply with us/Preston at one time as well?
I believe so, as not that many went to away games of any distance
 
I'm guessing here, not being of that era, but did it basically start with the rise of terrace fighting, whenever that was - late 60s?

Going off footage from early periods when everyone stood together, I imagine there was a lot of banter and wind up, but that probably happened any time a visiting fan was there.

I've heard some folks say they went to watch one local club one week, then another the week after if the fixtures worked out that way. Blackburn/Burnley for example. Did that apply with us/Preston at one time as well?
Rival Football fans were fighting on the terraces in the 1800's
 
Regarding the "who was better" debate, whilst I'm biased I am not able to be anything other than complementary when it comes to Mr. Finery.
He was a humble, polite, professional tradesman who put some of our current "stars" to shame.
Sir Stan was our guy and will be forever up there with the likes of Gentleman Jim and the other Stan.
I used to travel to derbies with older supporters of both sides. The banter was often harsh, but we never fell out.
Now it's mindless and, although I confess to looking at the nobbers result after ours in the hope that they lose and would like them to be relegated every season until they can't go any lower, I don't want my afternoon spoiled by idiots purporting to "support" either side.
COYP
 
Outside of reasons already listed, proximity always plays a part. You always find two clubs near each other have rivalry outside of football (Town rivalries and such), with Blackpool and Preston playing in the Lancashire Cup and things like that played a huge role as we faced each other regularly even when not in the same division.

Sometimes it's just that tribal thing of "they're the closest", we've barely played Preston in my lifetime but it's passed down to you by family and fellow fans and you can't help but pick up the hatred. Roll on the 23rd!
 
Does anyone know when this rivelry between us and them started? I asked my dad about it before he died and he said that when he was younger the main derby and rivalry was between us and Rovers but it was a more friendly rivalry without any real trouble. However, he couldn't remember when Blackpool became our main rivals.
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My Grandad said he would often go to Blackpool when they were home and Preston the weekend after. He said he has no idea where the rivalry would come from.
 
From Wiki apparently Aston Villa fans attacked PNE players in 1885. 1909 saw first mass hooligan brawl at Rangers v Celtic. Between 1946- 1960 an average 13 hooligan incidents per season recorded. This increased to 25 incidents per season between 1961-68.
 
I have always had PNE has my disliked team. But do you know what ?. I cannot be doing with the childish antics that go with it. If you look it will be people aged between 14-21. Acting up in front of their mates. Modern day football fans piss me off a bit. What I have already mentioned and trying to look the greatest, passionate supporter when they are on camera. Praying hands etc.
 
Like a lot of fellow Blackpool, Preston and Blackburn fans I’ve spent most of my working life working across the north west towns and it’s unavoidable to come across opposing fans of all ages. Over the years I’ve made many great lifelong friends in these towns and they’re all terrific people who support their home team just like myself. I became the Godfather of my mates daughter and they’re both staunch Rovers fans.
For me, it’s always been about the banter before and after the match. Endless discussions about key points in the game and one-upmanship are always at the forefront, never about the trouble.
 
My Grandad said he would often go to Blackpool when they were home and Preston the weekend after. He said he has no idea where the rivalry would come from.
When we lived in Ingleton my dad's mate was a Rovers fan and they would both go to Ewood Park one week and Deepdale the next. They said that there was never any segregation and very rare that you saw any trouble. It is such a shame it cannot be like that still.
 
Abusive chants towards away fans increased massively early 60’s in football.Words to songs in the pop charts were changed and even older patriotic songs like Land Of Hope and Glory became “ We hate Nottingham Forest” etc.
 
Not always, I know my Dad wasn't alone in going to watch PKE at home when we were away back when he was a lad.
 
I'm guessing here, not being of that era, but did it basically start with the rise of terrace fighting, whenever that was - late 60s?

Going off footage from early periods when everyone stood together, I imagine there was a lot of banter and wind up, but that probably happened any time a visiting fan was there.

I've heard some folks say they went to watch one local club one week, then another the week after if the fixtures worked out that way. Blackburn/Burnley for example. Did that apply with us/Preston at one time as well?
Yes, We l’ve know a few people over the years who did Preston/Blackpool home games regularly, funny but most were PNE at heart, I doubt they would now - The Blackpool ones probably do Blackpool/Fleetwood now!!
 
Yes, We l’ve know a few people over the years who did Preston/Blackpool home games regularly, funny but most were PNE at heart, I doubt they would now - The Blackpool ones probably do Blackpool/Fleetwood now!!
I know Blackpool fans with a Cods season ticket as well.
 
Friday 5th May 1893

FOOTBALL ROWDYISM.

SEQUEL TO THE " SCENE " AT FLEETWOOD.

Considerable interest was manifested at the Kirkham Police Court on Monday, in the prosecutions arising out of the recent scenes which followed the football match between Blackpool and the Rangers at Fleetwood. There was a crowded court, includlng several Fleetwood and Blackpool persons, and the magistrates were W. S. Hodgson (who presided), Alderman H. Buckley, and R. Catterall, Esqrs. Thomas Pratt, labourer, Fleetwood, and a member of the Rangers Football Club, was summoned by Edward ("Pank") Parkinson, fisherman, Lytham, a member of the Blackpool Football Club, for assaulting him at Fleetwood on April 15th.

A cross-summons was brought by Pratt against Parkinson for a similar offence at the same time and place. Mr. R. F. Addie appeared for Pratt, and Mr. Richard Banks for Parkinson.

Mr. Banks asked for the witnesses to be ordered out of Court, and his application was granted. He thereupon went into a recital of the particulars of the assault, and stigmatised the action of Pratt as cowardly and unjustifiable. Mr. Banks contended that if Pratt had any grievance he ought to have made it to the referee, who was endowed with great powers in such engagements.

Parkinson, being sworn, said no friction occurred in the first half between Pratt and himself, although Pratt once threatened to "punch both his legs off" after he had beaten him by taking the ball from his feet. About ten minutes before the close of the game there was a scrimmage in the goal mouth, and Pratt came up to him with his fists shut and in a likely way for "punching." Complainant walked away, and after the game was going off the field, walking towards the tent, when Pratt touched him on the shoulder. He looked round on the left-hand side end Pratt struck him in the face. Complainant then dropped to the ground and remembered nothing more. He was carried off the field, and recovered conciousness when about ten yards fiom the tent. All he remembered was someone saying "Can you walk? “— Cross-examined by Mr. Addie ; When he charged Pratt it was as fair a charge as any that day. He was not striking and kicking in all directions during the game. He did nothing to Pratt the whole of the game. It was a rough game, but he thought he had seen one as rough between Lytham and Fleetwood. He did not faint because he was frightened: he was not frightened. He did not tell Pratt during the game that he could have as much as he liked at the close of the match. He took out the summons against Pratt himself. No one else instituted the proceedings.

George Battersby, of the Railway Hotel, Leigh, and an old Rugby football player of 14 or 15 years' standing, said he saw the match. The first half was a fairish game, but the second half was disgraceful. He blamed the Fleetwood players, saying they kicked at the Blackpool players several times. When they found their weight would not come in they began kicking at them. He noticed Pratt kick at the Blackpool players, including Parkinson several times. Parkinson played a gentlemanly game, so far as he could see. He witnessed the assault on Parkinson afterwards. Pratt touched complainant on the shoulder, and struck him in the face. He then put his arm round Parkinson's neck, threw him down, and struck complainant twice while he was on the ground. When Parkinson was lifted up he was unconscious; his month was bleeding; his eyes had gone back into his head; his arms were fallen back; and he (witness) should assume that he suffered from slight concussion.—Cross-examined He had his attention drawn to Pratt's rough play in the first half, but he did not see the two parties quarrel before the end of the game.

The Clerk (Mr. Dickson) advised the Bench not to consider anything which transpired during the game, as there was a proper official present.— Mr. Addie said that official was very nervous and eventually fainted.

Richard Gorton Barlow, the well-known all-England cricketer, deposed to witnessing the assault. He saw Pratt go behind Parkinson and hit him on the side of the face, take him round the neck, pull him down, and fall on the top of him. Parkinson did nothing: he hadn't time; he never lifted his fists. At the match in question he saw foul play, especially by Pratt. He thought Pratt lost his temper because Parkinson got the better of him.—Cross-examined: The referee was too nervous, and lost control over the game. A Fleetwood player offered to strike the referee, but the referee did not send him off the field, as he should have done.

Thomas Musgrove, fishmonger, Blackpool; James Lucas, cab proprietor, Blackpool; Mr. Councillor Heap, Blackpool; H. G. Wright, joiner, Blackpool; Frank Martindale, Blackpool; and Thomas Parr, the linesman in the match, also gave evidence as to the assault. Mr. Heap said lie regretted having seen the match.

For the defence, Mr. Addie gave a complete denial of the charge. It was a rough and exciting game from beginning to end, he admitted, and for that reason the referee !ost control of the game. If he had not he would have seen Pratt take the ball from the toes of Parkinson, and have seen Parkinson lose his temper and cut Pratt's lip. Pratt told him to wait until the game was finished, when they could have it out. Parkinson struck at Pratt and Pratt touched him and returned the blow. It was quite true that Parkinson was struck, but they totally denied that the blow was given until Parkinson had hit Pratt. Fleetwood had nothing to lose their tempers about.

Pratt was sworn and stated that Parkinson struck him deliberately with his fist while play was proceeding. Afterwards, they were both walking to the tent, when he said to Parkinson, "Well, you kicked me in the second half, and if you wish to have it out, as you agreed upon, I am willing if you are." Parkinson then put his fists up and struck at him, but he dodged the blow and struck Parkinson. They then fell together.

Inspector Ingram, P.S. McLean, P.C. Townsend, and P.C. Smith swore to seeing the two players quarrelling, and both fell to the ground. P.C. Townsend added that "Pank" was not unconscious, but was able to get over the rails himself.

Martin Walsh, & member of the Rangers' team, said he heard Parkinson say he would have it out with Pratt after the match. After the whistle was blown both had their fists up, and they were stood facing each other, ready for action. They struck at each other, and fell. Pratt struck Parkinson at the beginning, and he did not see Parkinson do anything to Pratt. He saw Parkinson get up and walk after they had carried him away.

The Bench retired to consult and on their return said Pratt would be fined 5s. 6d. and costs, and the cross-summons would be dismissed.—On the application of Mr. Banks. the witnesses' expenses were allowed — 3s. 6d. each. The costs and fine amounted to £3 4s. 6d.

-oOo-
 
Blackpool winning the FA Cup in 1953
Preston losing the FA Cup Final 1954

That must have added more salt to the wounds & Finney played a shit game by all accounts

🍊🍊
 
I'm guessing here, not being of that era, but did it basically start with the rise of terrace fighting, whenever that was - late 60s?

Going off footage from early periods when everyone stood together, I imagine there was a lot of banter and wind up, but that probably happened any time a visiting fan was there.

I've heard some folks say they went to watch one local club one week, then another the week after if the fixtures worked out that way. Blackburn/Burnley for example. Did that apply with us/Preston at one time as well?
Not me went to watch the 'reserves' in the Central League free entry with the season ticket other wise it was 2/- (10p) if you couldn't slip under the turnstile 😜
 
That night in 1970.... it was a massive part of the change.

And in the late 1970s there were various incidents. Away fans then went in the Town End. And the back was wooden steps. There were attempts to start fires, around 1977.

One strange preseason game around that time it seemed the only ones there at Deepdale were out for a fight. Blackpool in the Town End with Preston coming round, throwing bricks and all they could find. Not sure why the two clubs played each other but it wasn't a League game.
 
That night in 1970.... it was a massive part of the change.

And in the late 1970s there were various incidents. Away fans then went in the Town End. And the back was wooden steps. There were attempts to start fires, around 1977.

One strange preseason game around that time it seemed the only ones there at Deepdale were out for a fight. Blackpool in the Town End with Preston coming round, throwing bricks and all they could find. Not sure why the two clubs played each other but it wasn't a League game.
Pre season friendly. We had about 5000. Word had spread it was a 'fight' game and I remember there were United in our end and some others (can't remember who). On the fences trying to rip them down- the game was incidental and wasn't the Tynan injury one I think.
 
That night in 1970.... it was a massive part of the change.

And in the late 1970s there were various incidents. Away fans then went in the Town End. And the back was wooden steps. There were attempts to start fires, around 1977.

One strange preseason game around that time it seemed the only ones there at Deepdale were out for a fight. Blackpool in the Town End with Preston coming round, throwing bricks and all they could find. Not sure why the two clubs played each other but it wasn't a League game.
It was the Anglo Scottish Cup.
 
Jimmy Armfield always put the antagonistic aspect down to us going up and Nobbers going down in 1970. Before that, it wasn't as tribal, but when we turned up with over 20,000 in a 34,000 gate, it triggered a different level.

Before that it was who was best, Finney or Matthews.

Obviously, only one of them won the Ballon D'Or😂
Wizz, was there any official crowd estimate for Pool fans that match, as I thought there were about 26,000 Pool. I always remember at the end 3 sides of the ground loudly chanting 'Blackpool" Even during the match there was little evidence of Nobbers in attendance.
 
Wizz, was there any official crowd estimate for Pool fans that match, as I thought there were about 26,000 Pool. I always remember at the end 3 sides of the ground loudly chanting 'Blackpool" Even during the match there was little evidence of Nobbers in attendance.
I don't think so, as I those days there wasn't an 'away' end as such.
 
Friday 5th May 1893

FOOTBALL ROWDYISM.

SEQUEL TO THE " SCENE " AT FLEETWOOD.

Considerable interest was manifested at the Kirkham Police Court on Monday, in the prosecutions arising out of the recent scenes which followed the football match between Blackpool and the Rangers at Fleetwood. There was a crowded court, includlng several Fleetwood and Blackpool persons, and the magistrates were W. S. Hodgson (who presided), Alderman H. Buckley, and R. Catterall, Esqrs. Thomas Pratt, labourer, Fleetwood, and a member of the Rangers Football Club, was summoned by Edward ("Pank") Parkinson, fisherman, Lytham, a member of the Blackpool Football Club, for assaulting him at Fleetwood on April 15th.

A cross-summons was brought by Pratt against Parkinson for a similar offence at the same time and place. Mr. R. F. Addie appeared for Pratt, and Mr. Richard Banks for Parkinson.

Mr. Banks asked for the witnesses to be ordered out of Court, and his application was granted. He thereupon went into a recital of the particulars of the assault, and stigmatised the action of Pratt as cowardly and unjustifiable. Mr. Banks contended that if Pratt had any grievance he ought to have made it to the referee, who was endowed with great powers in such engagements.

Parkinson, being sworn, said no friction occurred in the first half between Pratt and himself, although Pratt once threatened to "punch both his legs off" after he had beaten him by taking the ball from his feet. About ten minutes before the close of the game there was a scrimmage in the goal mouth, and Pratt came up to him with his fists shut and in a likely way for "punching." Complainant walked away, and after the game was going off the field, walking towards the tent, when Pratt touched him on the shoulder. He looked round on the left-hand side end Pratt struck him in the face. Complainant then dropped to the ground and remembered nothing more. He was carried off the field, and recovered conciousness when about ten yards fiom the tent. All he remembered was someone saying "Can you walk? “— Cross-examined by Mr. Addie ; When he charged Pratt it was as fair a charge as any that day. He was not striking and kicking in all directions during the game. He did nothing to Pratt the whole of the game. It was a rough game, but he thought he had seen one as rough between Lytham and Fleetwood. He did not faint because he was frightened: he was not frightened. He did not tell Pratt during the game that he could have as much as he liked at the close of the match. He took out the summons against Pratt himself. No one else instituted the proceedings.

George Battersby, of the Railway Hotel, Leigh, and an old Rugby football player of 14 or 15 years' standing, said he saw the match. The first half was a fairish game, but the second half was disgraceful. He blamed the Fleetwood players, saying they kicked at the Blackpool players several times. When they found their weight would not come in they began kicking at them. He noticed Pratt kick at the Blackpool players, including Parkinson several times. Parkinson played a gentlemanly game, so far as he could see. He witnessed the assault on Parkinson afterwards. Pratt touched complainant on the shoulder, and struck him in the face. He then put his arm round Parkinson's neck, threw him down, and struck complainant twice while he was on the ground. When Parkinson was lifted up he was unconscious; his month was bleeding; his eyes had gone back into his head; his arms were fallen back; and he (witness) should assume that he suffered from slight concussion.—Cross-examined He had his attention drawn to Pratt's rough play in the first half, but he did not see the two parties quarrel before the end of the game.

The Clerk (Mr. Dickson) advised the Bench not to consider anything which transpired during the game, as there was a proper official present.— Mr. Addie said that official was very nervous and eventually fainted.

Richard Gorton Barlow, the well-known all-England cricketer, deposed to witnessing the assault. He saw Pratt go behind Parkinson and hit him on the side of the face, take him round the neck, pull him down, and fall on the top of him. Parkinson did nothing: he hadn't time; he never lifted his fists. At the match in question he saw foul play, especially by Pratt. He thought Pratt lost his temper because Parkinson got the better of him.—Cross-examined: The referee was too nervous, and lost control over the game. A Fleetwood player offered to strike the referee, but the referee did not send him off the field, as he should have done.

Thomas Musgrove, fishmonger, Blackpool; James Lucas, cab proprietor, Blackpool; Mr. Councillor Heap, Blackpool; H. G. Wright, joiner, Blackpool; Frank Martindale, Blackpool; and Thomas Parr, the linesman in the match, also gave evidence as to the assault. Mr. Heap said lie regretted having seen the match.

For the defence, Mr. Addie gave a complete denial of the charge. It was a rough and exciting game from beginning to end, he admitted, and for that reason the referee !ost control of the game. If he had not he would have seen Pratt take the ball from the toes of Parkinson, and have seen Parkinson lose his temper and cut Pratt's lip. Pratt told him to wait until the game was finished, when they could have it out. Parkinson struck at Pratt and Pratt touched him and returned the blow. It was quite true that Parkinson was struck, but they totally denied that the blow was given until Parkinson had hit Pratt. Fleetwood had nothing to lose their tempers about.

Pratt was sworn and stated that Parkinson struck him deliberately with his fist while play was proceeding. Afterwards, they were both walking to the tent, when he said to Parkinson, "Well, you kicked me in the second half, and if you wish to have it out, as you agreed upon, I am willing if you are." Parkinson then put his fists up and struck at him, but he dodged the blow and struck Parkinson. They then fell together.

Inspector Ingram, P.S. McLean, P.C. Townsend, and P.C. Smith swore to seeing the two players quarrelling, and both fell to the ground. P.C. Townsend added that "Pank" was not unconscious, but was able to get over the rails himself.

Martin Walsh, & member of the Rangers' team, said he heard Parkinson say he would have it out with Pratt after the match. After the whistle was blown both had their fists up, and they were stood facing each other, ready for action. They struck at each other, and fell. Pratt struck Parkinson at the beginning, and he did not see Parkinson do anything to Pratt. He saw Parkinson get up and walk after they had carried him away.

The Bench retired to consult and on their return said Pratt would be fined 5s. 6d. and costs, and the cross-summons would be dismissed.—On the application of Mr. Banks. the witnesses' expenses were allowed — 3s. 6d. each. The costs and fine amounted to £3 4s. 6d.

-oOo-
Nothing changes. Fleetwood football players kicking lumps out of Blackpool teams 🤣
 
Wizz, was there any official crowd estimate for Pool fans that match, as I thought there were about 26,000 Pool. I always remember at the end 3 sides of the ground loudly chanting 'Blackpool" Even during the match there was little evidence of Nobbers in attendance.
All 4 sides was mixed, the main thing I remember was on the Town End a bloke in motorbike helmet, wore it all through the match.
 
My earliest memories of our matches was on Christmas day 1958, when Blackpool fans sang Christmas carrols wishing them a happy Christmas as the Northenders slumped to a 4-2 defeat, both Finney and Matthews played that day and Perry scored ac hat-trick.
Finney and Matthews were the super heroes to their respected fans both sets believing pationatley that their man was the better player when in reality they were very different in the way they played, however deep down I do believe each set of fans respected the opposing team's player. which of course led to some serious banter, friendly of course in those golden years.
 
The game in about 1977 when Blackpool were in the Town End was a Testimonial game shortly after the season ended. A very young Iain Hesford was making his debut and Pool fans tried to start a fire on the wooden planks of the stand. There were skirmishes all over the place and on Moor Park after the game.
 
Pre season friendly. We had about 5000. Word had spread it was a 'fight' game and I remember there were United in our end and some others (can't remember who). On the fences trying to rip them down- the game was incidental and wasn't the Tynan injury one I think.
Thank you, at least it isn't me who just remembers it! And yes the game was completely irrelevant. Just their lot and Blackpool going at it. I'm sure there was them on their Kop and us in the Town End, with hardly anyone in either side stands. And I just remember it kicking off all over.

The attempt to basically burn down the Town End was late 1970s too I am sure. I was stood next to one fire as cops tried to beat their way up to the back to put it out.
 
The night of the Pickering hat trick in April 1970 when we took their Kop over and most of the ground was the real catalyst for the rivalry. A night to remember with us being promoted and the Nobbers being relegated!
 

"It might not be a rivalry that is talked about a lot outside of the north-west of England, or be one that is all too familiar to Premier League fans, but the two clubs really don't like each other."
 
Am just relieved we can talk about this without the Cods being our biggest opponents 😾
 
Where I work is mostly Bolton, Blackburn and a few Preston fans. I would always rather chat about football with any of them than the usual Liverpool/United fans who’ve never stepped foot in a football ground.
 
Thank you, at least it isn't me who just remembers it! And yes the game was completely irrelevant. Just their lot and Blackpool going at it. I'm sure there was them on their Kop and us in the Town End, with hardly anyone in either side stands. And I just remember it kicking off all over.

The attempt to basically burn down the Town End was late 1970s too I am sure. I was stood next to one fire as cops tried to beat their way up to the back to put it out.
They kept swapping the away end in the 70s
 

"It might not be a rivalry that is talked about a lot outside of the north-west of England, or be one that is all too familiar to Premier League fans, but the two clubs really don't like each other."
Absolutely hilarious that article, first I've heard about that!
 
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