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As has been said many times before, it’s down to the players to decide when it ends. Not RW political activists.

I expect it’ll fizzle out at some point, and maybe that process has begun in rugby.
 
Only four Scottish players knelt. Courtney Lawes didn’t kneel for England. He’s black by the way for you jump on the bandwagon “fans”
I find these minutes applause for someone whose dog died more annoying.
 
But according to some on here all the footballers agree with taking the knee ? Do they really or are they just too scared to make a stand like the rugby lads. Notable the Wales and Ireland lads didn’t bother either. Surely time to move on and take the politics away from sport.
 
It's a personal choice, if you agree then take the knee, if you don't agree or have a bad knee then don't take the knee. One thing though, don't boo people who take the knee, very poor form.
 
Jimmy Jazz said:
It's a personal choice, if you agree then take the knee, if you don't agree or have a bad knee then don't take the knee. One thing though, don't boo people who take the knee, very poor form.
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I would never Boo. I will turn my back if it continues when we return though.
 
Taking the knee is a matter of personal choice.Some will strongly support it others may think it is actually counter productive and more so when the fans are allowed back.

So far as the game was concerned England were abysmal contributing nothing effective throughout the game constructing nothing positive,never looking like even getting close to scoring a try .I wonder whether with their much criticized endless kicking game it`s time for a change of style and coach.
 
Jimmy Jazz said:
Absolutely it's your right to do so, it just seems a really ineffectual thing to do.
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A bit like taking the knee IMO. No problem with the Kick it out programme, I just have no time for taking the knee. It’s going to look a bit silly if eventually there’s only 2 or 3 people doing it. Just call an end to it.
 
Scaramanga said:
But according to some on here all the footballers agree with taking the knee ? Do they really or are they just too scared to make a stand like the rugby lads. Notable the Wales and Ireland lads didn’t bother either. Surely time to move on and take the politics away from sport.
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Something, something, pfa polled members, something, something 80% of respondents in favour of continuing

something, something, rfu don’t have collective policy

nothing to see here
 
Recidivist3 said:
Something, something, pfa polled members, something, something 80% of respondents in favour of continuing

something, something, rfu don’t have collective policy

nothing to see here
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Bluster something something bluster
 
1950`spoolfan said:
Taking the knee is a matter of personal choice.Some will strongly support it others may think it is actually counter productive and more so when the fans are allowed back.

So far as the game was concerned England were abysmal contributing nothing effective throughout the game constructing nothing positive,never looking like even getting close to scoring a try .I wonder whether with their much criticized endless kicking game it`s time for a change of style and coach.
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It was painful to watch. Pretty crap day sports wise.
 
Scaramanga said:
But according to some on here all the footballers agree with taking the knee ? Do they really or are they just too scared to make a stand like the rugby lads. Notable the Wales and Ireland lads didn’t bother either. Surely time to move on and take the politics away from sport.
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I wish people like you wouldn’t keep bringing politics into sport.
 
And let`s be fair, this thread really has little to do with rugby.

The O/P has a sickly interest in this topic; like a dog returning to its own vomit....
 
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The interesting thing here is why does this fairly insignificant action at the beginning of a game trigger some of our posters?
A few seconds out before the match, players exercising their right to kneel or not. Clearly rugby players are not coerced into kneeling as some suggest that football players are, some do, some don't - so what. There is nothing noteworthy about this, why even draw attention to it?
It's really not an issue for most of us.
 
ElBurroSinNombre said:
The interesting thing here is why does this fairly insignificant action at the beginning of a game trigger some of our posters?
A few seconds out before the match, players exercising their right to kneel or not. Clearly rugby players are not coerced into kneeling as some suggest that football players are, some do, some don't - so what. There is nothing noteworthy about this, why even draw attention to it?
It's really not an issue for most of us.
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If it's really not an issue for most of us why are people and the media all over it when rugby players don't kneel? It's a free choice and I'm not surprised that it was the rugby players who chose to express their individual choices. They seem more inclined to think for themselves. Footballers won't even admit they're gay so are hardly likely to risk abuse by not kneeling.
 
tommytwojags said:
If it's really not an issue for most of us why are people and the media all over it when rugby players don't kneel? It's a free choice and I'm not surprised that it was the rugby players who chose to express their individual choices. They seem more inclined to think for themselves. Footballers won't even admit they're gay so are hardly likely to risk abuse by not kneeling.
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The media are all over it because they have an agenda of their own. I'll leave you to work out what that is.
 
tommytwojags said:
Perhaps it's newsworthy because Scotland and England rugby players have the guts to make their own decisions. Maybe footballers should do the same.
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How do you know that footballers are not exercising free will in their decisions?
'All over the media', I hadn't seen it or heard about it but then again I don't subscribe to the Daily Mail.
The Daily Mail is the same newspaper that put this on it's front page.

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ElBurroSinNombre said:
How do you know that footballers are not exercising free will in their decisions?
'All over the media', I hadn't seen it or heard about it but then again I don't subscribe to the Daily Mail.
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Because I've not seen one footballer in any game standing up. Here only four of Scotland's players knelt. What does that tell you other than that some footballers are frightened to make their own decisions.
 
tommytwojags said:
Because I've not seen one footballer in any game standing up. Here only four of Scotland's players knelt. What does that tell you other than that some footballers are frightened to make their own decisions.
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It doesn't tell me anything because I am not party to all of the information. I notice that you have nothing to say about the agenda at play here. Why is it that when some people want to show solidarity for racial equality it causes such a problem for some people?
On another note, you should change your username to tommytwopassports
 
ElBurroSinNombre said:
It doesn't tell me anything because I am not party to all of the information. I notice that you have nothing to say about the agenda at play here. Why is it that when some people want to show solidarity for racial equality it causes such a problem for some people?
On another note, you should change your username to tommytwopassports
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I can see by your insults that you've reverted to your pre-teen persona again. Makes it difficult to debate if you're acting like a ten year old.

I would just say this. The issue isn't whether footballers are or are not racist or whether people are showing solidarity for racial equality. The question is why some footballers are being forced against their will to kneel before games. You ask "How do you know that footballers are not exercising free will in their decisions?" My response is that if 80% of a rugby team believe that kneeling is inappropriate then do 0% of footballers believe the same or, more likely, is it that they dare not refuse to kneel?

It doesn't take a genius to conclude that free will is not being exercised.
 
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tommytwojags said:
I can see by your insults that you've reverted to your pre-teen persona again. Makes it difficult to debate if you're acting like a ten year old.

I would just say this. The issue isn't whether footballers are or are not racist or whether people are showing solidarity for racial equality. The question is why some footballers are being forced against their will to kneel before games. You ask "How do you know that footballers are not exercising free will in their decisions?" My response is that if 80% of a rugby team believe that kneeling is inappropriate why then do 0% of footballers believe the same?

It doesn't take a genius to conclude that free will is not being exercised.
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This is what is so insidious about the racism in our society.
Taking the knee is a gesture of support for racial equality, a cause that should have almost universal support and shouldn't really be controversial at all. Take the knee, don't take the knee why does it exercise some so much?
However, instead of taking this gesture at face value, some have to invent a false narrative that people are being forced to take the knee against their will (there is not a shred of evidence for this). And then to keep repeating it (how many times have we heard it on here, this thread is an example). And of course they are aided and abetted by people in the media like the Daily Mail, who have the same agenda. I gave you an example of disgusting racism from the front page of that newspaper and you chose to ignore it - no condemnation - but it should give you a clue as to what their underlying agenda is. So a simple stance against racism turns into something else because at the root of it, it makes many feel uncomfortable.
 
You can be anti-racist and anti taking the knee as well, which I am sure plenty are and I can see why some think that its endless repetition game after game actually for some only exacerbates and actually irritates the situation rather than encourages tolerance and equity.If poppies were warn all year round their impact would quickly be diminished and lost. I certainly don`t base my opinions on Daily Mail headlines which without people on here rather obsessively constantly posting and quoting them I would never have even heard of any of them.

I don`t think it`s too hard to work out that not every footballer without exception agrees with taking the knee but as every one of them does it it is clear that none of them want to or have the courage to make a statement that risks opprobrium in a politically correct social media dominated world.
 
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1950`spoolfan said:
You can be anti-racist and anti taking the knee as well, which I am sure plenty are and I can see why some think that its endless repetition game after game actually for some only exacerbates and actually irritates the situation rather than encourages tolerance and equity.If poppies were warn all year round their impact would quickly be diminished and lost. I certainly don`t base my opinions on Daily Mail headlines which without people on here rather obsessively constantly posting and quoting them I would never have even heard of any of them.

I don`t think it`s too hard to work out that not every footballer without exception agrees with taking the knee but as every one of them does it it is clear that none of them want to or have the courage to make a statement that risks opprobrium in a politically correct social media dominated world.
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At last a sensible post.
 
spudgun said:
And lets be fair, this thread really has little to do with rugby.

The O/P has a sickly interest in this topic; like a dog returning to its own vomit....
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The only vomit is what you constantly post.
 
1950`spoolfan said:
Taking the knee is a matter of personal choice.Some will strongly support it others may think it is actually counter productive and more so when the fans are allowed back.

So far as the game was concerned England were abysmal contributing nothing effective throughout the game constructing nothing positive,never looking like even getting close to scoring a try .I wonder whether with their much criticized endless kicking game it`s time for a change of style and coach.
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50’s
The kicking game seems to a big part in the game nowadays and not just England
There were quite a few spells of continuous end to end kicking in the Wales v Ireland match.
I look forward to the 6 Nations but this kicking game can get boring
I can certainly understand it if a team is under pressure in their own 10 metres but the rest I don’t because they are simply giving away possession
 
1966_and_all_that said:
My only thought is to believe that you have chosen to highlight this because you have an itch that continually needs to be scratched.
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If you don’t like the debate then don’t comment on it. You piss and moan about several subjects that continue to rear their heads on here. No different.
 
basilrobbie said:
I can just picture you and the OP ; on your feet fuming about the taking of the knee. Then sitting down to belt out a rousing rendition of your favourite African-American anti-slavery anthem.
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It’s a rugby song to me synonymous with England Rugby and should continue to be belted out at Twickenham and wherever England play rugby
 
Generally speaking Rugby Union will have more of an intellectual stream running through its veins than English football.
Glad the rugby community and obviously the players are allowed to express themselves with freedom and not feel obliged to support a movement which does have some serious questions about its ethics.
 
I see wilfried Zaha has expressed his disappointment at taking the knee to appease the tick box exercise brigade. It appears that maybe the footballers are being told to take the knee whereas the rugby lads have a backbone. I agree with wifried, it achieves nothing and the problem isn’t being tackled in the right way. (See posts regards Burton Albion on Twatter)
 
Matesrates said:
A few England players didn’t take the kneel today and not one Italian player.
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Yer noticed that, That’s good to see people making up there own minds and not being pressurised by there clubs or the media.
Anyway staying on the field England thumping Italy shame they didn’t play like this last week.
 
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