Russian Troops

Not sure if it is officially confirmed but heard it mentioned today they were hiding mines in dead bodies in areas they were retreating from.
 
EagleDay said:
Sounds like the Russian troops are not so against this war as some have made out.
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Agree.
Your not telling me those artillery soldiers aren’t aware of where those shells or missiles are landing.

Some of those things retreating Russian soldiers have done is just inexcusable,

Their even blaming the Red Cross today for the breakdown in getting 200 busses into Mariupol to evacuate the remaining civilians saying they were late.

What’s worrying is a lot of Russians back home actually believe all this shit.
 
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It beggars belief that the Russian people believe Putin, are they thick? Surely many get news through means other than state media, so why don’t they believe it?
 
This is just the start of the horrors, wat until they find what’s happened in Mariupol. How long can the west wait until they either cut off gas, or supply offensive weapons, or both, rather than just expressing outrage.
 
Good luck in holding any part of that country in the future. The hatred will run so deep that it will be a lawless hell for decades if it is partitioned in any way.

Any Ukrainians with Russian sympathies that have experienced the attack on the south east of the country will have had their world destroyed and sympathy will have gone.
 
Chunkylad said:
Good luck in holding any part of that country in the future. The hatred will run so deep that it will be a lawless hell for decades if it is partitioned in any way.

Any Ukrainians with Russian sympathies that have experienced the attack on the south east of the country will have had their world destroyed and sympathy will have gone.
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Yes, I fully expect Ukraine to be an albatross around Putin's neck.
 
Chunkylad said:
Good luck in holding any part of that country in the future. The hatred will run so deep that it will be a lawless hell for decades if it is partitioned in any way.

Any Ukrainians with Russian sympathies that have experienced the attack on the south east of the country will have had their world destroyed and sympathy will have gone.
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Very true...as an Island nation that has put such divisions behind us centuries ago,it’s difficult for us to actually comprehend. However the people’s of Northern and Southern Ireland will have much greater understanding.
 
Make no mistake, Putin knows that NATO will not interfere (aside from providing artillery, human aide etc), unless of course he lays just one foot into a NATO Country, and if that happens we will see a Third World War, however, with that said, who are allies to Russia?
Any they do/did have must be concerned about such barbaric actions so will they actually support him when push comes to shove? I think he may find himself all alone on this one and (hopefully) if that happens then any Third World War will be the shortest in history because he cannot out muscle NATO.
But he knows that so his murderous strategy will continue and it could last for years. But then what?
Surely no other Country in the World will trade with him?
Granted he supplies a lot of gas (particularly throughout Europe) but as we speak more and more depots are being constructed in Europe to trade in the gas that is imported from USA .
There are always solutions to problems, although some are more difficult than others.
There is mention on this thread about Russians being behind him, but I’m not so sure.
The more the Russian families recover their relatives back in body bags then the more they will question Putins operation.
I have said from the onset, the only way to stop him is assassination because when he has gone no-one will continue with this slaughter of innocents
His generals, close aides, advisors etc are all scared of him as were the Germans of Hitler.
 
I have to say you could argue this picture looks a bit dodgy. The guy has his hands tied with cloth, legs aren’t tied, there’s no evidence of blood either. They need to do better than this if they want to stop Russia denying atrocities.
 

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Matesrates said:
I have to say you could argue this picture looks a bit dodgy. The guy has his hands tied with cloth, legs aren’t tied, there’s no evidence of blood either. They need to do better than this if they want to stop Russia denying atrocities.
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I could secure your hands behind your back with a piece of ripped sheets.
I wouldn’t tie your feet unless I wanted to carry you either.
I can’t even compute what you mean by “They need to do better…”, are you saying they should only photograph alleged war crimes if they look gruesome enough?
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Johnno said:
I could secure your hands behind your back with a piece of ripped sheets.
I wouldn’t tie your feet unless I wanted to carry you either.
I can’t even compute what you mean by “They need to do better…”, are you saying they should only photograph alleged war crimes if they look gruesome enough?
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I’m just saying it doesn’t look conclusive and if you want to prosecute for war crimes, there will have to be conclusive evidence. I’m sure there are gruesome photographs that they have, but will not be shown on mainstream media.
 
Matesrates said:
I have to say you could argue this picture looks a bit dodgy. The guy has his hands tied with cloth, legs aren’t tied, there’s no evidence of blood either. They need to do better than this if they want to stop Russia denying atrocities.
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Have you noticed that the ground is wet? Possibly the rain might've washed the blood away, also, there's often much less blood than you might expect.

Finally, I think you can see blood towards the right of the head, I'm not certain though.
 
Matesrates said:
I have to say you could argue this picture looks a bit dodgy. The guy has his hands tied with cloth, legs aren’t tied, there’s no evidence of blood either. They need to do better than this if they want to stop Russia denying atrocities.
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Anyone who saw the poor woman on BBC News last night, whose son had been killed by the Russian Troops and she had to bury him herself in a carpet would not question any of the pictures. It certainly brought a tear to my eyes.
 
Matesrates said:
I’m just saying it doesn’t look conclusive and if you want to prosecute for war crimes, there will have to be conclusive evidence. I’m sure there are gruesome photographs that they have, but will not be shown on mainstream media.
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So what about the Destruction in Mauriapol? Does that look conclusive enough?
Civilian apartment blocks after apartment blocks either reduced to rubble or severely damaged, hospitals churches and theatres raised to the ground.
I suppose the Ukrainians could have done it mind as part of the false flag war. 🙄
 
A number of comments are making out the Russians are thick because they are believing what they are told. Don't you worry, our government is lying to us on a regular basis and some of us are believing their lies . What I would say is that we are not being lied to as much as the Russians are.
 
Eternaloptimist said:
Make no mistake, Putin knows that NATO will not interfere (aside from providing artillery, human aide etc), unless of course he lays just one foot into a NATO Country, and if that happens we will see a Third World War, however, with that said, who are allies to Russia?
Any they do/did have must be concerned about such barbaric actions so will they actually support him when push comes to shove? I think he may find himself all alone on this one and (hopefully) if that happens then any Third World War will be the shortest in history because he cannot out muscle NATO.
But he knows that so his murderous strategy will continue and it could last for years. But then what?
Surely no other Country in the World will trade with him?
Granted he supplies a lot of gas (particularly throughout Europe) but as we speak more and more depots are being constructed in Europe to trade in the gas that is imported from USA .
There are always solutions to problems, although some are more difficult than others.
There is mention on this thread about Russians being behind him, but I’m not so sure.
The more the Russian families recover their relatives back in body bags then the more they will question Putins operation.
I have said from the onset, the only way to stop him is assassination because when he has gone no-one will continue with this slaughter of innocents
His generals, close aides, advisors etc are all scared of him as were the Germans of Hitler.
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Unfortunately, China and India look like they are prepared to continue to do business with Putin.
 
Jaffa_The_Hut said:
So what about the Destruction in Mauriapol? Does that look conclusive enough?
Civilian apartment blocks after apartment blocks either reduced to rubble or severely damaged, hospitals churches and theatres raised to the ground.
I suppose the Ukrainians could have done it mind as part of the false flag war. 🙄
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Agree totally, and I hope solid evidence comes out which Russia can’t dispute.
 
Lost Seasider said:
How do we know what the Russian people believe?
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Same as what we believe, we get our information mainly from tv and social media, difference is, they only get state tv. It’s also been widely reported that there is support for the “special military operation“ amongst the population.
 
Matesrates said:
Same as what we believe, we get our information mainly from tv and social media, difference is, they only get state tv. It’s also been widely reported that there is support for the “special military operation“ amongst the population.
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The difference is that we're allowed to say what we think, and they're not.

I suspect a substantial proportion of the Russian population, particularly the younger ones, living in cities, know they're being fed a crock of s*** by the state media and are finding their way to western sources instead, but not many of them are brave enough to admit it publicly, and those that are don't get reported on anyway.
 
Chunkylad said:
Good luck in holding any part of that country in the future. The hatred will run so deep that it will be a lawless hell for decades if it is partitioned in any way.

Any Ukrainians with Russian sympathies that have experienced the attack on the south east of the country will have had their world destroyed and sympathy will have gone.
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As I said at the start Russias aim was to take the 2 regions in the East and est. a corridor to Crimea.

They'll keep the East with minimum fuss- it's mainly Russian anyway. The corridor is being battered to amke it inhabitable and people relocate. It's probable that there will be no unrest from within that area and incursions from outside be treated as a violation of any neg. treaty.

Russia will get what it came for sadly.
 
Lost Seasider said:
The difference is that we're allowed to say what we think, and they're not.

I suspect a substantial proportion of the Russian population, particularly the younger ones, living in cities, know they're being fed a crock of s*** by the state media and are finding their way to western sources instead, but not many of them are brave enough to admit it publicly, and those that are don't get reported on anyway.
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Sad, but probably true.
 
Make no mistake about it while there’s a fair bit of outrage in Russia for the war in Ukraine Putin still has the majority of the people solidly behind him as well as the military.
 
Matesrates said:
I have to say you could argue this picture looks a bit dodgy. The guy has his hands tied with cloth, legs aren’t tied, there’s no evidence of blood either. They need to do better than this if they want to stop Russia denying atrocities.
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That really is a strange response to a very saddening photograph
 
He’s an evil bast@rd and needs sorting out. For starters, the west should immediately stop importing anything, including gas and oil, whatever the consequences.
 
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