Sadler has stitched us right up!

JJpool said:
You for real? I thought no one would be able to fault with this addition but I guess I was wrong.

You do realise the plastic is stitched into the pitch and isn't going to blow around like a plastic bag and end up in the sea....
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Really ! I think you will find it will contribute to further plastic pollution as does all artificial grass . It’s bonkers absolutely no need .
 
JJpool said:
You for real? I thought no one would be able to fault with this addition but I guess I was wrong.

You do realise the plastic is stitched into the pitch and isn't going to blow around like a plastic bag and end up in the sea....
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Artificial grass whether stitched in or rolled out will ultimately end up where we don’t want it. At some point it will be ripped up where do you think it will end up pray tell ?
It’s plastic pollution and personally I feel sad that my club have stooped to this . Absolutely no need whatsoever.
 
JJpool said:
You for real? I thought no one would be able to fault with this addition but I guess I was wrong.

You do realise the plastic is stitched into the pitch and isn't going to blow around like a plastic bag and end up in the sea....
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I don’t think he’ll understand
 
Olliesoffhistrolley said:
Says who ? The manufacturer? Wonder how many local authorities have the ability to recycle plastic stitched into soil ? Just no need so why do it ?
It will end up in land fill or water course no doubt .
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Most reputable companies will recycle for you, I imagine we've employed a firm and that we haven't been down to B & Q to pick our own up.

Garden of inspiration - Royal Grass

www.royalgrass.com www.royalgrass.com

www.trulawn.co.uk

Recycled Artificial Grass Is Possible With Trulawn Harmony

We don’t support plastic waste, which is why we are the first UK artificial grass company to provide recycled artificial grass, which is also recyclable.
www.trulawn.co.uk www.trulawn.co.uk
 
Olliesoffhistrolley said:
Says who ? The manufacturer? Wonder how many local authorities have the ability to recycle plastic stitched into soil ? Just no need so why do it ?
It will end up in land fill or water course no doubt .
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There are a million more things to worry about before we decide the goal mouth of a professional football club is a bad idea for the planet. My mates garden has far more plastic than that, and they’re everywhere, so if we worry about 2 goalmouths in a professional stadium, no longer run by a fly tipper, I think perspective is needed, and I’m a lefty tree hugger by all accounts.

Well done Sadler, nothing but praise required.
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
Most reputable companies will recycle for you, I imagine we've employed a firm and that we haven't been down to B & Q to pick our own up.

Garden of inspiration - Royal Grass

www.royalgrass.com www.royalgrass.com

www.trulawn.co.uk

Recycled Artificial Grass Is Possible With Trulawn Harmony

We don’t support plastic waste, which is why we are the first UK artificial grass company to provide recycled artificial grass, which is also recyclable.
www.trulawn.co.uk www.trulawn.co.uk
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Well I hope that is the case but there is no need for it . Unfortunately humans don’t have a good track record for dealing with used plastic and that is still the case .
 
There was a shot of the pitch on saturday where it looked like the best axminster, ground staff have done a fantastic job.

You have to feel sorry for the poor nemotodes.
 
Olliesoffhistrolley said:
Says who ? The manufacturer? Wonder how many local authorities have the ability to recycle plastic stitched into soil ? Just no need so why do it ?
It will end up in land fill or water course no doubt .
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And it doesn’t need watering, using valuable resources . And you don’t get brown patches when the dog has had a wee. Great stuff done properly 👍
 
Olliesoffhistrolley said:
Artificial grass whether stitched in or rolled out will ultimately end up where we don’t want it. At some point it will be ripped up where do you think it will end up pray tell ?
It’s plastic pollution and personally I feel sad that my club have stooped to this . Absolutely no need whatsoever.
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I'm not an expert at all on it but I believe they are stiched in at 180mm deep and in a 2x2cm arrangement, so its predictable to a machine..... the question is when it comes to removal how they take the fibres out. Or if the pitch is renewed yearly how are the fibres avoided.

Had a quick look around and found this.

Hybrid Pitch Reinforcement Systems

In my first article, I gave my opinion about how it is now, more than ever, a fundamental requirement to clean out and prepare a new pitch rather than repairing an old one each season. This is particularly relevant at high quality venues such as the ones found in stadiums and training grounds at...
www.pitchcare.com www.pitchcare.com

So they can renew them and id imagine a similar process could be followed to remove the grass and keep the fibres, then ultimately remove them themselves if needed.

Although one for the groundsman to answer probably.
 
BTW, this article was posted over 7 years ago now. So I'm pretty confident they've massively refined and improved their methods further.



"In my first article, I gave my opinion about how it is now, more than ever, a fundamental requirement to clean out and prepare a new pitch rather than repairing an old one each season. This is particularly relevant at high quality venues such as the ones found in stadiums and training grounds at international and professional level. I looked at how this could be best achieved on a fibre reinforced system using the tried and tested technology available. In this edition, I would like to look at how to achieve the same results on a hybrid pitch using new technology.


Few can argue against the fact that hybrid pitch reinforcement systems have been a fantastic development in professional natural sportsturf technology, especially in high use scenarios such as multi-use stadia. GrassMaster is one internationally successful system that has been installed in both stadiums and professional training centres by many top clubs and national associations.

Illustration

The system consists of a 100% natural grass pitch, into which 20 million artificial fibres are injected, approximately 18cm into the rootzone in a 2cm x 2cm pattern.
The provision of the fibres essentially provide vertical stability and, as such, a resilience to damage seldom seen in other forms of pitch stabilisation. The roots of the natural grass also entwine with the synthetic fibres and are anchored to the pitch. The intended result is a stable and even playing surface. The stitched in hybrid system enables an easier transition between sports and non-sports events and is, therefore, an ideal pitch choice for the multi-use venue.
One of the few problems that Grounds Managers and Head Groundsmen had with the hybrid pitch reinforcement system was the inability to effectively renovate the surface, and the effect that this had on the health of the grass plant, the soil structure and the long term performance of the pitch.
Some of the early hybrid pitches in the UK and Europe were removed; this wasn't a failing of the hybrid system nor the work that was undertaken during the pitch renovation by the sportsfield contractors, it was just that the technology hadn't yet been developed to successfully renovate these 'high spec' pitches to the same standard as both natural and Fibresand reinforced pitches.

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Listening to the comments made by grounds managers, it became obvious that they needed a different approach and specific machinery to give them a clean, free draining, healthy, deep rooted new pitch.
It was with this in mind that we started to think of ways to tackle the problem and embarked on a development programme, which resulted in a new and unique hybrid pitch renovation process. This process, along with newly developed machinery, minimises the amount of traffic on the pitch by eliminating the need for secondary handling of the material, as all herbage and resultant organic accumulations are removed from the pitch in one process via trailers, offering a clean, quick, efficient process.
After initial trials of prototype machines, tweaks and improvements have been made to enhance the quality of the whole process. We have now renovated many hybrid pitches in the UK and Europe using our system and the results speak for themselves.

1 1ST PASS HYBRID SGP
The whole procedure is based around effectively loosening and removing the existing sward/herbage and debris from the surface, with minimal disruption to the hybrid fibres. Each individual project is assessed prior to the work commencing, as pitches that have not received a thorough renovation in previous seasons will differ in requirements to those renovated on an annual basis.

A typical renovation on a well maintained pitch would involve the following: The pitch may be sprayed off with a suitable weedkiller and given chance to die back where time allows, if this is stipulated by the grounds manager or consultant. However, this is not always necessary and, on occasions, may not be beneficial.

The hybrid cylinder makes an initial pass over the pitch. The machine is designed to dislodge and remove a high percentage of the existing sward from the surface with minimal disruption to the hybrid fibres, in the same way that the Koro Field Top Maker works. It then elevates the arisings into trailers for removal and disposal. The key point to note, at this stage, is that little or no material is allowed to settle back on the pitch.

4 1ST PASS PPCONTRA
Whilst this process is on-going it is followed by a Contra-rake, which serves to gently rake and loosen any stubborn material that may be left on the surface. Any material which has not been removed by the hybrid cylinder, particularly along the headlands, will be removed carefully and disposed of accordingly.

An evaluation of the pitch is then made at the end of this part of the process, but normally a second pass is necessary, with the hybrid cylinder set to 'clean up' mode. A further pass is done with the Contra-rake; this is normally done to loosen existing rootzone within the synthetic sward which does not need removing.
Levels are then corrected and made good using a restoration rake. This is an important part of the process as it helps to separate and stand the fibres up prior to the next operation.
Topdressing is then applied at a rate specified by the grounds manager or consultant. The restoration rake is used throughout the sand spreading process to ensure that the fibres do not get buried.

AVIVA Seeding
Overseeding is then carried out using an appropriate seeder, followed by an application of pre-seed fertiliser. This is perfect for getting the desired seed to soil contact in the surface of a hybrid pitch.

Depending on the specification, the last step would be to aerate the whole pitch.

The key to the successful performance and longevity of any hybrid pitch is, without doubt, to ensure the efficient removal of last season's sward/herbage and organic accumulations which may have built up during the year. This is particularly relevant to pitches which are maintained under artificial lighting conditions, as many of the leading clubs currently are.

Recent history has shown graphically the difference in quality between prepared and repaired hybrid pitches. The pitches which have been prepared for the new season have performed far better than those which, for whatever reason, have opted to repair.

The next generation of hybrid reinforcement in the form of SISGRASS, will be installed at several European venues during the forthcoming close season."
 
Let’s go the whole hog, let the grass grow so there’ll be wild flowers encouraging wild life and insects. In fact demolish the club, dig up the concrete and let it go towards sort the co2 out. Ffs
 
JJpool said:
You for real? I thought no one would be able to fault with this addition but I guess I was wrong.

You do realise the plastic is stitched into the pitch and isn't going to blow around like a plastic bag and end up in the sea....
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Actually JJ that is just where microplastics do end up, though they may stop off in our food or drinking water en route. Anyway, big picture, I think there is generally a decent and encouraging amount of environmental awareness within our new ownership. Better than the fly tippers that's for sure 👍
 
Sorry Simon, you’ve spent £10 million buying the club, you’ve redecorated the stadium, relayed the pitch at least a couple of times, poured your own money in to keep the club going during the pandemic, overseen a complete overhaul of the management structure, seen us promoted to the championship and comfortably stayed there, organised the new training ground and east stand development and agreed to pay the cost of £30 million yourself, but it’s just not enough for some people.

Rest assured it’s only a few, the vast majority are with you.
 
Mark_GT said:
Actually JJ that is just where microplastics do end up, though they may stop off in our food or drinking water en route. Anyway, big picture, I think there is generally a decent and encouraging amount of environmental awareness within our new ownership. Better than the fly tippers that's for sure 👍
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See the post above with the article.

This isn't microplastics like dupont forever chemicals that end up in the water supply and end up in all of the worlds population of creatures, even in some tiny form.

These are massive, in comparison, fibres which can be managed and recycled no doubt as appropriate.

The article above from 2015 shows how they learnt how to renew these pitches without disturbing the fibres, effectively isolating them, so its one step after that to remove them.
 
JJpool said:
See the post above with the article.

This isn't microplastics like dupont forever chemicals that end up in the water supply and end up in all of the worlds population of creatures, even in some tiny form.

These are massive, in comparison, fibres which can be managed and recycled no doubt as appropriate.

The article above from 2015 shows how they learnt how to renew these pitches without disturbing the fibres, effectively isolating them, so its one step after that to remove them.
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Well I hope so JJ. We'll never be entirely without plastics, its just about using them better on the whole. My daughter is a chemist in a plastics recycling business and I work in corporate sustainability so I do look into all sides of the argument. Step by step 👍
 
I am in favour of looking after the planet , but the amount of plastic used in the goal mouths will be minimal . If we don't want dodgy goals by bobbles I think its a good idea. Also plastic would rip into the goalies legs too At least it is not a plastic pitch like the knobbers had ,who obviously don't care about the planet.
 
Matesrates said:
Sorry Simon, you’ve spent £10 million buying the club, you’ve redecorated the stadium, relayed the pitch at least a couple of times, poured your own money in to keep the club going during the pandemic, overseen a complete overhaul of the management structure, seen us promoted to the championship and comfortably stayed there, organised the new training ground and east stand development and agreed to pay the cost of £30 million yourself, but it’s just not enough for some people.

Rest assured it’s only a few, the vast majority are with you.
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SS owns and runs the fantastic business of BFC, and the cost of running, developing, nurturing and adding value to his asset, comes with that ownership. Whenever the time is right for him, he will sell the club and hopefully make a huge profit in the process.
Repeatedly treating him as the new messiah, surely isn't what he wants to read, and the constant sniping at anyone who dares not to worship him has become tedious to say the least.
SS is a BFC fan, and a very good custodian of our club, and a safe pair of hands; however, it's work in progress and not everything is rosey.
 
WIZARD OF TANGERINE said:
I am in favour of looking after the planet , but the amount of plastic used in the goal mouths will be minimal . If we don't want dodgy goals by bobbles I think its a good idea. Also plastic would rip into the goalies legs too At least it is not a plastic pitch like the knobbers had ,who obviously don't care about the planet.
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The only good thing about that Nobbers travesty of a pitch was Ginge's screamer 👍
 
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