Sadler's 5 Appointments

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Thought I'd take a look at all 6 of Sadler's full time appointments to get a better picture of his record...

Simon Grayson; 6 July, 2019- 12 February 2020. 29 P; 10 W, 9 D, 10 L ❌

Neil Critchley; 2 March, 2020- 2 June 2022. 94 P; 39 W, 24 D, 31 L ✅

Michael Appleton; 17 June 2022- 18 January 2023. 27 P; 6 W, 8 D, 13 L ❌

Mick McCarthy 19 January 2023- 8 April 2023. 14 P; 2 W, 3 D, 9 L ❌

Neil Critchley 23 May 2023- Present. 44 P; 21 W, 10 D, 13 L ❌

The big picture takeaways;

1. He really hasn't gotten many of his appointments right.

It's not great reading is it? 4/5 of the appointments have been abject failures with very little value brought to the club at all. How much do you think we've paid in compo to Grayson, MA, and MM? A couple million? Running a football club is hard, but some of those decisions like MA and MM were so obviously the wrong ones.

The squad at MA's disposal was NEVER going to suit his style of play and when we had the players that did we went and got a dinosaur.

Whoever they bring in next has to have a good understanding of the squad and what is required to get the most out of the players.

To be fair to him the initial Critch appointment was a masterstroke that worked brilliantly. Promotion and then a solid season in the Championship really brought us a long way and I am not prepared to say that the progress made then has been undone (I still think structurally we are on the right trajectory), but the next move we make (whether it is keeping or letting Critch go) will be decisive to what our future will be.

2. 3/5 of the appointments have been former faces.

It's happened too many times now to say it's just an aberration, Sadler feels very comfortable appointing men formerly associated with the club and it puts the club in a tough position. Grayson, Appleton, and Critch came in and split opinions greatly making their job unbelievably more difficult than it had to be. For any of those three to succeed they would have had to overcome a ton of pressure from fans which was just too much to ask especially when things went south.

I actually think one of the reasons why Critch Mach 1 was able to succeed was that everyone in and around the club backed him as a man with new ideas, but now that can't be said at all.

Whoever we bring in next HAS to be an outsider. A new man with fresh ideas that we can all get behind.

Pete Wild
Brian Barry-Murphy
Stephen Bradley
Mike Williamson

Out of those I really fancy Mike Williamson, a young up and coming manager who plays an attractive style of play, if MK Dons fail to go up this season we would be fools not to look at him.
 
Get what you are saying but I see no harm in giving Dobbie the interim position until the end of the season. Season is over anyway and we aren’t getting relegated. it would be a risk free chance to take a proper look at him. It also gives us plenty of time to look at other potential permanent managers if Dobbie doesn’t work out.
A win, win.
Being a former player shouldn’t exclude you. Evatt, Rob Edwards and Richie Wellens all doing well.
 
Agree with most of that. Only thing I'd disagree with is I'm not really bothered if it's a former player etc as long as its the right person for the job. As you said Grayson, Appleton were so clearly wrong but that was irrespective of them being former mgrs. Wellens for example on the other hand would clearly have been an excellent choice given his style of play and cv.
 
Manager /preferred formation/win%

Pete Wild / 3-5-2 / 44%
B B Murphy / 4-3-3 / 31%
S Bradley / 3-4-2-1 / 56%
M Williamson / 4-2-3-1 / 48.5%

Edit to add win % rates, Bradley's a bit skewed as only managed @ shamrock rovers
 
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Get what you are saying but I see no harm in giving Dobbie the interim position until the end of the season. Season is over anyway and we aren’t getting relegated. it would be a risk free chance to take a proper look at him. It also gives us plenty of time to look at other potential permanent managers if Dobbie doesn’t work out.
A win, win.
Being a former player shouldn’t exclude you. Evatt, Rob Edwards and Richie Wellens all doing well.
Dobbie til end of season wouldn’t be bad at all.

If he proves himself then I have no complaints with that.
 
Agree with most of that. Only thing I'd disagree with is I'm not really bothered if it's a former player etc as long as it’s the right person for the job. As you said Grayson, Appleton were so clearly wrong but that was irrespective of them being former mgrs. Wellens for example on the other hand would clearly have been an excellent choice given his style of play and cv.
Valid and fair especially if we’re considering someone like Wellens.
 
Thought I'd take a look at all 6 of Sadler's full time appointments to get a better picture of his record...

Simon Grayson; 6 July, 2019- 12 February 2020. 29 P; 10 W, 9 D, 10 L ❌

Neil Critchley; 2 March, 2020- 2 June 2022. 94 P; 39 W, 24 D, 31 L ✅

Michael Appleton; 17 June 2022- 18 January 2023. 27 P; 6 W, 8 D, 13 L ❌

Mick McCarthy 19 January 2023- 8 April 2023. 14 P; 2 W, 3 D, 9 L ❌

Neil Critchley 23 May 2023- Present. 44 P; 21 W, 10 D, 13 L ❌

The big picture takeaways;

1. He really hasn't gotten many of his appointments right.

It's not great reading is it? 4/5 of the appointments have been abject failures with very little value brought to the club at all. How much do you think we've paid in compo to Grayson, MA, and MM? A couple million? Running a football club is hard, but some of those decisions like MA and MM were so obviously the wrong ones.

The squad at MA's disposal was NEVER going to suit his style of play and when we had the players that did we went and got a dinosaur.

Whoever they bring in next has to have a good understanding of the squad and what is required to get the most out of the players.

To be fair to him the initial Critch appointment was a masterstroke that worked brilliantly. Promotion and then a solid season in the Championship really brought us a long way and I am not prepared to say that the progress made then has been undone (I still think structurally we are on the right trajectory), but the next move we make (whether it is keeping or letting Critch go) will be decisive to what our future will be.

2. 3/5 of the appointments have been former faces.

It's happened too many times now to say it's just an aberration, Sadler feels very comfortable appointing men formerly associated with the club and it puts the club in a tough position. Grayson, Appleton, and Critch came in and split opinions greatly making their job unbelievably more difficult than it had to be. For any of those three to succeed they would have had to overcome a ton of pressure from fans which was just too much to ask especially when things went south.

I actually think one of the reasons why Critch Mach 1 was able to succeed was that everyone in and around the club backed him as a man with new ideas, but now that can't be said at all.

Whoever we bring in next HAS to be an outsider. A new man with fresh ideas that we can all get behind.

Pete Wild
Brian Barry-Murphy
Stephen Bradley
Mike Williamson

Out of those I really fancy Mike Williamson, a young up and coming manager who plays an attractive style of play, if MK Dons fail to go up this season we would be fools not to look at him.
Out of the choices I'd go for BBM, assuming he passes the Top Brass Tats Test.
 
Thought I'd take a look at all 6 of Sadler's full time appointments to get a better picture of his record...

Simon Grayson; 6 July, 2019- 12 February 2020. 29 P; 10 W, 9 D, 10 L ❌

Neil Critchley; 2 March, 2020- 2 June 2022. 94 P; 39 W, 24 D, 31 L ✅

Michael Appleton; 17 June 2022- 18 January 2023. 27 P; 6 W, 8 D, 13 L ❌

Mick McCarthy 19 January 2023- 8 April 2023. 14 P; 2 W, 3 D, 9 L ❌

Neil Critchley 23 May 2023- Present. 44 P; 21 W, 10 D, 13 L ❌

The big picture takeaways;

1. He really hasn't gotten many of his appointments right.

It's not great reading is it? 4/5 of the appointments have been abject failures with very little value brought to the club at all. How much do you think we've paid in compo to Grayson, MA, and MM? A couple million? Running a football club is hard, but some of those decisions like MA and MM were so obviously the wrong ones.

The squad at MA's disposal was NEVER going to suit his style of play and when we had the players that did we went and got a dinosaur.

Whoever they bring in next has to have a good understanding of the squad and what is required to get the most out of the players.

To be fair to him the initial Critch appointment was a masterstroke that worked brilliantly. Promotion and then a solid season in the Championship really brought us a long way and I am not prepared to say that the progress made then has been undone (I still think structurally we are on the right trajectory), but the next move we make (whether it is keeping or letting Critch go) will be decisive to what our future will be.

2. 3/5 of the appointments have been former faces.

It's happened too many times now to say it's just an aberration, Sadler feels very comfortable appointing men formerly associated with the club and it puts the club in a tough position. Grayson, Appleton, and Critch came in and split opinions greatly making their job unbelievably more difficult than it had to be. For any of those three to succeed they would have had to overcome a ton of pressure from fans which was just too much to ask especially when things went south.

I actually think one of the reasons why Critch Mach 1 was able to succeed was that everyone in and around the club backed him as a man with new ideas, but now that can't be said at all.

Whoever we bring in next HAS to be an outsider. A new man with fresh ideas that we can all get behind.

Pete Wild
Brian Barry-Murphy
Stephen Bradley
Mike Williamson

Out of those I really fancy Mike Williamson, a young up and coming manager who plays an attractive style of play, if MK Dons fail to go up this season we would be fools not to look at him.
Bradley is an interesting one
https://totalfootballanalysis.com/a...hamrock-rovers-2023-tactical-analysis-tactics
 
5 😁

I’m convinced he needs help selecting. And not from the people who produced the last report. 😂
Couldn’t find the racehorse in a bunch of 3-legged donkey’s.

That’s one thing Oyston was pretty good at. Takes a blagger to spot one. See right through the bull.
 
just doing quick maths NC over his two spells brings in 71 PTS a season or only loses around 1 in 4 games, not to bad at all. Cant get this gripe about entertaining football style of play - if it's entertainment your after pass Bloomfield Road go to the front and turn left or right and there is all the entertainment you need in either direction.
NC not my choice this time but I'm not picking. When the time comes I hope we get someone with something to prove and sees pool as a step up not another old face from the manager carousel.
 
Thought I'd take a look at all 6 of Sadler's full time appointments to get a better picture of his record...

Simon Grayson; 6 July, 2019- 12 February 2020. 29 P; 10 W, 9 D, 10 L ❌

Neil Critchley; 2 March, 2020- 2 June 2022. 94 P; 39 W, 24 D, 31 L ✅

Michael Appleton; 17 June 2022- 18 January 2023. 27 P; 6 W, 8 D, 13 L ❌

Mick McCarthy 19 January 2023- 8 April 2023. 14 P; 2 W, 3 D, 9 L ❌

Neil Critchley 23 May 2023- Present. 44 P; 21 W, 10 D, 13 L ❌

The big picture takeaways;

1. He really hasn't gotten many of his appointments right.

It's not great reading is it? 4/5 of the appointments have been abject failures with very little value brought to the club at all. How much do you think we've paid in compo to Grayson, MA, and MM? A couple million? Running a football club is hard, but some of those decisions like MA and MM were so obviously the wrong ones.

The squad at MA's disposal was NEVER going to suit his style of play and when we had the players that did we went and got a dinosaur.

Whoever they bring in next has to have a good understanding of the squad and what is required to get the most out of the players.

To be fair to him the initial Critch appointment was a masterstroke that worked brilliantly. Promotion and then a solid season in the Championship really brought us a long way and I am not prepared to say that the progress made then has been undone (I still think structurally we are on the right trajectory), but the next move we make (whether it is keeping or letting Critch go) will be decisive to what our future will be.

2. 3/5 of the appointments have been former faces.

It's happened too many times now to say it's just an aberration, Sadler feels very comfortable appointing men formerly associated with the club and it puts the club in a tough position. Grayson, Appleton, and Critch came in and split opinions greatly making their job unbelievably more difficult than it had to be. For any of those three to succeed they would have had to overcome a ton of pressure from fans which was just too much to ask especially when things went south.

I actually think one of the reasons why Critch Mach 1 was able to succeed was that everyone in and around the club backed him as a man with new ideas, but now that can't be said at all.

Whoever we bring in next HAS to be an outsider. A new man with fresh ideas that we can all get behind.

Pete Wild
Brian Barry-Murphy
Stephen Bradley
Mike Williamson

Out of those I really fancy Mike Williamson, a young up and coming manager who plays an attractive style of play, if MK Dons fail to go up this season we would be fools not to look at him.
So this is all games then as his league record this season is this.

P 32
W 13
D 8
L 11

Getting close to an even win to loss ratio.

His record this season all together is bumped up by wins in the BSM trophy.
 
Thought I'd take a look at all 6 of Sadler's full time appointments to get a better picture of his record...

Simon Grayson; 6 July, 2019- 12 February 2020. 29 P; 10 W, 9 D, 10 L ❌

Neil Critchley; 2 March, 2020- 2 June 2022. 94 P; 39 W, 24 D, 31 L ✅

Michael Appleton; 17 June 2022- 18 January 2023. 27 P; 6 W, 8 D, 13 L ❌

Mick McCarthy 19 January 2023- 8 April 2023. 14 P; 2 W, 3 D, 9 L ❌

Neil Critchley 23 May 2023- Present. 44 P; 21 W, 10 D, 13 L ❌

The big picture takeaways;

1. He really hasn't gotten many of his appointments right.

It's not great reading is it? 4/5 of the appointments have been abject failures with very little value brought to the club at all. How much do you think we've paid in compo to Grayson, MA, and MM? A couple million? Running a football club is hard, but some of those decisions like MA and MM were so obviously the wrong ones.

The squad at MA's disposal was NEVER going to suit his style of play and when we had the players that did we went and got a dinosaur.

Whoever they bring in next has to have a good understanding of the squad and what is required to get the most out of the players.

To be fair to him the initial Critch appointment was a masterstroke that worked brilliantly. Promotion and then a solid season in the Championship really brought us a long way and I am not prepared to say that the progress made then has been undone (I still think structurally we are on the right trajectory), but the next move we make (whether it is keeping or letting Critch go) will be decisive to what our future will be.

2. 3/5 of the appointments have been former faces.

It's happened too many times now to say it's just an aberration, Sadler feels very comfortable appointing men formerly associated with the club and it puts the club in a tough position. Grayson, Appleton, and Critch came in and split opinions greatly making their job unbelievably more difficult than it had to be. For any of those three to succeed they would have had to overcome a ton of pressure from fans which was just too much to ask especially when things went south.

I actually think one of the reasons why Critch Mach 1 was able to succeed was that everyone in and around the club backed him as a man with new ideas, but now that can't be said at all.

Whoever we bring in next HAS to be an outsider. A new man with fresh ideas that we can all get behind.

Pete Wild
Brian Barry-Murphy
Stephen Bradley
Mike Williamson

Out of those I really fancy Mike Williamson, a young up and coming manager who plays an attractive style of play, if MK Dons fail to go up this season we would be fools not to look at him.
He should stick to the stock market and being a fan. Hasn't got a jar of glue about how to run a football club.
 
Thought I'd take a look at all 6 of Sadler's full time appointments to get a better picture of his record...

Simon Grayson; 6 July, 2019- 12 February 2020. 29 P; 10 W, 9 D, 10 L ❌

Neil Critchley; 2 March, 2020- 2 June 2022. 94 P; 39 W, 24 D, 31 L ✅

Michael Appleton; 17 June 2022- 18 January 2023. 27 P; 6 W, 8 D, 13 L ❌

Mick McCarthy 19 January 2023- 8 April 2023. 14 P; 2 W, 3 D, 9 L ❌

Neil Critchley 23 May 2023- Present. 44 P; 21 W, 10 D, 13 L ❌

The big picture takeaways;

1. He really hasn't gotten many of his appointments right.

It's not great reading is it? 4/5 of the appointments have been abject failures with very little value brought to the club at all. How much do you think we've paid in compo to Grayson, MA, and MM? A couple million? Running a football club is hard, but some of those decisions like MA and MM were so obviously the wrong ones.

The squad at MA's disposal was NEVER going to suit his style of play and when we had the players that did we went and got a dinosaur.

Whoever they bring in next has to have a good understanding of the squad and what is required to get the most out of the players.

To be fair to him the initial Critch appointment was a masterstroke that worked brilliantly. Promotion and then a solid season in the Championship really brought us a long way and I am not prepared to say that the progress made then has been undone (I still think structurally we are on the right trajectory), but the next move we make (whether it is keeping or letting Critch go) will be decisive to what our future will be.

2. 3/5 of the appointments have been former faces.

It's happened too many times now to say it's just an aberration, Sadler feels very comfortable appointing men formerly associated with the club and it puts the club in a tough position. Grayson, Appleton, and Critch came in and split opinions greatly making their job unbelievably more difficult than it had to be. For any of those three to succeed they would have had to overcome a ton of pressure from fans which was just too much to ask especially when things went south.

I actually think one of the reasons why Critch Mach 1 was able to succeed was that everyone in and around the club backed him as a man with new ideas, but now that can't be said at all.

Whoever we bring in next HAS to be an outsider. A new man with fresh ideas that we can all get behind.

Pete Wild
Brian Barry-Murphy
Stephen Bradley
Mike Williamson

Out of those I really fancy Mike Williamson, a young up and coming manager who plays an attractive style of play, if MK Dons fail to go up this season we would be fools not to look at him.
Why is it other clubs can unearth up and coming managers and we only get deadbeats?
 
So his record is better this time around than his first stint?

First stint - 1.5 points per game

Second stint - 1.66 points per game
 
Thought I'd take a look at all 6 of Sadler's full time appointments to get a better picture of his record...

Simon Grayson; 6 July, 2019- 12 February 2020. 29 P; 10 W, 9 D, 10 L ❌

Neil Critchley; 2 March, 2020- 2 June 2022. 94 P; 39 W, 24 D, 31 L ✅

Michael Appleton; 17 June 2022- 18 January 2023. 27 P; 6 W, 8 D, 13 L ❌

Mick McCarthy 19 January 2023- 8 April 2023. 14 P; 2 W, 3 D, 9 L ❌

Neil Critchley 23 May 2023- Present. 44 P; 21 W, 10 D, 13 L ❌

The big picture takeaways;

1. He really hasn't gotten many of his appointments right.

It's not great reading is it? 4/5 of the appointments have been abject failures with very little value brought to the club at all. How much do you think we've paid in compo to Grayson, MA, and MM? A couple million? Running a football club is hard, but some of those decisions like MA and MM were so obviously the wrong ones.

The squad at MA's disposal was NEVER going to suit his style of play and when we had the players that did we went and got a dinosaur.

Whoever they bring in next has to have a good understanding of the squad and what is required to get the most out of the players.

To be fair to him the initial Critch appointment was a masterstroke that worked brilliantly. Promotion and then a solid season in the Championship really brought us a long way and I am not prepared to say that the progress made then has been undone (I still think structurally we are on the right trajectory), but the next move we make (whether it is keeping or letting Critch go) will be decisive to what our future will be.

2. 3/5 of the appointments have been former faces.

It's happened too many times now to say it's just an aberration, Sadler feels very comfortable appointing men formerly associated with the club and it puts the club in a tough position. Grayson, Appleton, and Critch came in and split opinions greatly making their job unbelievably more difficult than it had to be. For any of those three to succeed they would have had to overcome a ton of pressure from fans which was just too much to ask especially when things went south.

I actually think one of the reasons why Critch Mach 1 was able to succeed was that everyone in and around the club backed him as a man with new ideas, but now that can't be said at all.

Whoever we bring in next HAS to be an outsider. A new man with fresh ideas that we can all get behind.

Pete Wild
Brian Barry-Murphy
Stephen Bradley
Mike Williamson

Out of those I really fancy Mike Williamson, a young up and coming manager who plays an attractive style of play, if MK Dons fail to go up this season we would be fools not to look at him.
Interesting Appleton lost as many games in his 27 games in charge as Critch has lost in his 44!
 
Thought I'd take a look at all 6 of Sadler's full time appointments to get a better picture of his record...

Simon Grayson; 6 July, 2019- 12 February 2020. 29 P; 10 W, 9 D, 10 L ❌

Neil Critchley; 2 March, 2020- 2 June 2022. 94 P; 39 W, 24 D, 31 L ✅

Michael Appleton; 17 June 2022- 18 January 2023. 27 P; 6 W, 8 D, 13 L ❌

Mick McCarthy 19 January 2023- 8 April 2023. 14 P; 2 W, 3 D, 9 L ❌

Neil Critchley 23 May 2023- Present. 44 P; 21 W, 10 D, 13 L ❌

The big picture takeaways;

1. He really hasn't gotten many of his appointments right.

It's not great reading is it? 4/5 of the appointments have been abject failures with very little value brought to the club at all. How much do you think we've paid in compo to Grayson, MA, and MM? A couple million? Running a football club is hard, but some of those decisions like MA and MM were so obviously the wrong ones.

The squad at MA's disposal was NEVER going to suit his style of play and when we had the players that did we went and got a dinosaur.

Whoever they bring in next has to have a good understanding of the squad and what is required to get the most out of the players.

To be fair to him the initial Critch appointment was a masterstroke that worked brilliantly. Promotion and then a solid season in the Championship really brought us a long way and I am not prepared to say that the progress made then has been undone (I still think structurally we are on the right trajectory), but the next move we make (whether it is keeping or letting Critch go) will be decisive to what our future will be.

2. 3/5 of the appointments have been former faces.

It's happened too many times now to say it's just an aberration, Sadler feels very comfortable appointing men formerly associated with the club and it puts the club in a tough position. Grayson, Appleton, and Critch came in and split opinions greatly making their job unbelievably more difficult than it had to be. For any of those three to succeed they would have had to overcome a ton of pressure from fans which was just too much to ask especially when things went south.

I actually think one of the reasons why Critch Mach 1 was able to succeed was that everyone in and around the club backed him as a man with new ideas, but now that can't be said at all.

Whoever we bring in next HAS to be an outsider. A new man with fresh ideas that we can all get behind.

Pete Wild
Brian Barry-Murphy
Stephen Bradley
Mike Williamson

Out of those I really fancy Mike Williamson, a young up and coming manager who plays an attractive style of play, if MK Dons fail to go up this season we would be fools not to look at him.
I stopped reading this post after reading that MM was so obviously a wrong one.. Yes MA should never had been brought back ,but MM I believe was the right type of manager at the time and at the time the majority of fans thought so. He was a name ,he had history for keeping clubs up and his contract was only to the end of the season . I thought this was shrewd by SS and although a few were against this the majority were not . Its only obvious after the failure and it was worth a gamble.
 
I stopped reading this post after reading that MM was so obviously a wrong one.. Yes MA should never had been brought back ,but MM I believe was the right type of manager at the time and at the time the majority of fans thought so. He was a name ,he had history for keeping clubs up and his contract was only to the end of the season . I thought this was shrewd by SS and although a few were against this the majority were not . Its only obvious after the failure and it was worth a gamble.
Agree re MM. Track record of keeping clubs up in championship in difficult circumstances.

I thought it was the right move it didn’t work but you have to make a decision .
 
I think managers need time. Interesting with Bradley at Shamrock and he was given time and got it right and I still think Critchley will if given time. We live in a now now culture unfortunately for managers. Critchley has been back for 6 or 7 months and that involved a huge overhaul of players and style of play and formation. Yeh there's been some horror shows but theres also been some excellent games too. It's a shame that for some the knives were out from the beginning for him but whether he gets time is gonna depend on the next few games I think as the Cheltenham one was really really poor
 
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