Sarah Everard - Shocking murder

Ooh It’s a Corner

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Bailed ? So that means she is innocent does it ?
That’s the problem the victims family don’t get a say in any offenders punishment which is a shame
 

Walthamstow_Seasider

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I’m not saying it’s her fault, I don’t know if her friend was in her support group, although I somehow doubt it. She chose to visit her friend in lockdown, if she hadn’t, she’d still be alive. The media have hyped this up, but don’t bother about the several other women and men who have been murdered since, apart from a nominal report.
STOP DIGGING!!!!!!
 

Alf

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It is an awful situation, but it does make me a bit sad that some of these stories (usually ones that have already reached some conclusion) receive far, far, far more attention than others.

I only wonder why Esther Dingley hasn't received the same level of attention as she is still missing. Whatever became of the gentleman who it turned out had been married to 'the lady of the hills', the Thai woman that was found in the dales and remained unidentified until a couple years back? Why is it not breaking news when entire schools of -children- are being kidnapped all over Nigeria?

It's not so much about fairness as about making a difference. Missing persons are some of the only crime victims who actually stand to benefit from mass media coverage, and sometimes I worry that our newspapers might be completely overlooking a missing person who might easily be found with a little bit of public awareness, whilst spending weeks on end speculating about a case that's already reached a tragic end and that will play out in the courts anyway.
 

Bend it like Suddick

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Are there any Met officers who aren't bad apples? Seems to happen time and time again.
During the Miners Strike a couple of coach loads of Met 'officers', and I use the word sarcastically, visited our station at Chesterfield for a meal which was provided for them gratis. After the meal they proceeded to strip the station for 'mementos' and leave abusive graffiti in several of the toilets.

I hate my Force ( or others to be fair) to be considered as 'like the Met'. A horrible bunch ( I accept I can't stereotype), but I also was an Officer in London and had the same opinion.

As Wizz alluded to, they don't exactly maintain a high standard.
 

Lala

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I’m sorry but the vigil is llegal and they absolutely know that. They shouldn’t be there and the police have a legal obligation to police it.
Unless we just decide to turn a
blind eye to every law breaking event now just Incase some people don’t like it.
The alternative was was to light a candle on your doorstep, which respects Sarah Everard’s memory whilst not jeopardising more lives through covid spreading.
 

Scaramanga

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Don’t get it, why is there a vigil ? Why can’t people just leave the family to mourn in peace ffs. Are we now to have a vigil every time someone is murdered ? Do your research and check out how many people are murdered every day in this country. What’s going on, why have we become so Fucking macabre.
 

Matesrates

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Don’t get it, why is there a vigil ? Why can’t people just leave the family to mourn in peace ffs. Are we now to have a vigil every time someone is murdered ? Do your research and check out how many people are murdered every day in this country. What’s going on, why have we become so Fucking macabre.
It’s hysteria whipped up by the media, as you say, many other people have been murdered before and since, why is there not the same publicity and mass vigils for all of them?
 

Matesrates

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I’ve got a solution to prevent any murders. Make it clear, that the next murderer will be hung, drawn and quartered, and his/her head boiled and stuck on a spike in the centre of the town where the musrder took place. The next murderer will be burnt at the stake.

That should be enough deterrent.
 

Adams Kebab

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I’m sorry but the vigil is llegal and they absolutely know that. They shouldn’t be there and the police have a legal obligation to police it.
Unless we just decide to turn a
blind eye to every law breaking event now just Incase some people don’t like it.
The alternative was was to light a candle on your doorstep, which respects Sarah Everard’s memory whilst not jeopardising more lives through covid spreading.
Like the Rangers fans last weekend you mean?

Or they could have took the knee I suppose as that was their way to police stuff last year.
 
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catinstalbans

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You know that she's been bailed?




No, I'd want them put to death and I'd want it to be cruel and unusual, that's why it's probably a good idea that the victims family don't have a say in the process.
We may be a long way apart politically but your point about the need for the justice system to be objective in its implementation is absolutely correct.
 

Plumbs

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Its really good that this case has been highlighted (in positive terms) and well done to Jess Philips for bringing the issue of women's killings up in the HOC.

That said many other people are murdered/killed every year and they all become sad statistics, where in parts of the country we have effective no go areas for anyone especially women.

Poor show when the cops let us down and more resources are needed in that direction,although possibly this case mirrors what seems to be a society starting to disintegrate.
 

Shandypants

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I’m sorry but the vigil is llegal and they absolutely know that. They shouldn’t be there and the police have a legal obligation to police it.
Unless we just decide to turn a
blind eye to every law breaking event now just Incase some people don’t like it.
The alternative was was to light a candle on your doorstep, which respects Sarah Everard’s memory whilst not jeopardising more lives through covid spreading.
The police have an obligation to show proportionality. It's an awful look when one of their own is in the dock and then act this way. Patrick Vallance confirmed last week outdoor transmission was limited and Greg Clarke MP (a Tory MP I have a lot of time for unlike the disgraceful Patel) who chaired the committee, tweeted about a sense of proportionality.
 

Lost Seasider

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I’m sorry but the vigil is llegal and they absolutely know that. They shouldn’t be there and the police have a legal obligation to police it.
Unless we just decide to turn a
blind eye to every law breaking event now just Incase some people don’t like it.
The alternative was was to light a candle on your doorstep, which respects Sarah Everard’s memory whilst not jeopardising more lives through covid spreading.

Compare and contrast with the BLM protests last year and the results are troubling.
 

Lala

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The police have an obligation to show proportionality. It's an awful look when one of their own is in the dock and then act this way. Patrick Vallance confirmed last week outdoor transmission was limited and Greg Clarke MP (a Tory MP I have a lot of time for unlike the disgraceful Patel) who chaired the committee, tweeted about a sense of proportionality.
I agree with policing in proportionality.
It unfortunately doesn’t change the fact that the vigil was illegal and all this could have been avoided.
It doesn’t help Sarah, it hasn’t helped anyone at all to be honest.
 

Matesrates

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The police have an obligation to show proportionality. It's an awful look when one of their own is in the dock and then act this way. Patrick Vallance confirmed last week outdoor transmission was limited and Greg Clarke MP (a Tory MP I have a lot of time for unlike the disgraceful Patel) who chaired the committee, tweeted about a sense of proportionality.
The fact is that outdoor gatherings like this are illegal under current Covid regulations. You can’t just decide to break the law, because you don’t agree with it. As for a vigil, it didn’t look like it to me, it looked like a protest, chanting, shouting etc., that wasn’t peaceful reflection.
 

Lost Seasider

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There's another thread about the vigil and the police response to it, could we leave this thread for the case itself and use the other one for posts about subsequent events please?
 

traffordtang

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I agree with policing in proportionality.
It unfortunately doesn’t change the fact that the vigil was illegal and all this could have been avoided.
It doesn’t help Sarah, it hasn’t helped anyone at all to be honest.
Taken from the BBC website -
Gatherings in public are generally banned in England but, at the same time, the rules recognise there are "reasonable excuses" to be outside.
But the law doesn't specify whether a demonstration on a major issue of public importance - such as this vigil - is one of those excuses.
No matter what the Covid regulations say, there is an overarching right to freedom of expression that is enshrined in the Human Rights Act. That means the police have a legal duty to help make safe protests possible.
But that right is not an absolute trump card - it can be interfered with if the police can show they have good reason to stop an event happening.
And after hours of difficult legal argument on Friday, the judge refused to intervene and basically told the two sides to work it out for themselves with all those legal principles in mind.
In the absence of further legal clarity, the organisers claimed victory. They said the police had to now negotiate a sensible well-run vigil.

Seems it’s not as clear cut as we are assuming. Even the judge wouldn’t take sides.

Even if we do think it should have been illegal it does not explain why some gatherings are allowed to go ahead and the police step in at others
 

Archibald Knox

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Now the police have barriered off and are searching the Ropewalk in the middle of Sandwich, Kent which is a long footpath by a broad dyke. So that’s in addition to searching the Ashford woods, the Dover garage and tunnels under it, and digging up the back garden of his house in Deal. What on earth is this suspect admitting in his interrogation?
 
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